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Offline Freind

Re: Saints weigh in on being STUBBORN
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2025, 04:58:05 PM »
Quote from: SimpleMan on December 13, 2025, 04:41:21 PM
Just common sense.  When you have people around you, who are trying to get you to sin, or to deny the truth, you have to be very stubborn about refusing to acquiesce.  Perhaps fortitude is the better word.

What you just called common sense overlooks that they are attached to their own discernment that they are trying to be pushed to sin or into error. It's not common sense. An attitude of reason, logic and truth looks outside of oneself.
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Offline SimpleMan

Re: Saints weigh in on being STUBBORN
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2025, 07:23:28 AM »
Quote from: Freind on December 13, 2025, 04:58:05 PM
What you just called common sense overlooks that they are attached to their own discernment that they are trying to be pushed to sin or into error. It's not common sense. An attitude of reason, logic and truth looks outside of oneself.
Yes, and when you have people all around you, who are trying to pull you away from that very attitude, you have to be adamant and dig in your heels.  I would call that being "stubborn" in the face of your adversaries, and those adversaries would most likely describe you the same way, but if the word "stubborn" is always seen as having a negative connotation, perhaps it's not the word to use.

It might be a regional thing.  The way I was raised, for instance, the word "sarcastic" referred just to disagreeable, confrontational speech in general, what my father always referred to as "sharp talking", not the narrower definition of saying one thing when your tone clearly indicates that you mean the opposite.
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Offline Freind

Re: Saints weigh in on being STUBBORN
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2025, 07:44:42 AM »
Quote from: SimpleMan on December 14, 2025, 07:23:28 AM
Yes, and when you have people all around you, who are trying to pull you away from that very attitude, you have to be adamant and dig in your heels.  I would call that being "stubborn" in the face of your adversaries, and those adversaries would most likely describe you the same way, but if the word "stubborn" is always seen as having a negative connotation, perhaps it's not the word to use.

It might be a regional thing.  The way I was raised, for instance, the word "sarcastic" referred just to disagreeable, confrontational speech in general, what my father always referred to as "sharp talking", not the narrower definition of saying one thing when your tone clearly indicates that you mean the opposite.

Give us a quote form the Saint using stubborn in the sense you are trying to make it.
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Offline MiracleOfTheSun

Re: Saints weigh in on being STUBBORN
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2025, 09:12:43 AM »
Quote from: SimpleMan on December 13, 2025, 04:41:21 PM
When you have people around you, who are trying to get you to sin, or to deny the truth, you have to be very stubborn about refusing to acquiesce.  Perhaps fortitude is the better word.

adjective
adjective: stubborn
  • having or showing dogged determination not to change one's attitude or position on something, especially in spite of good arguments or reasons to do so.
"a stubborn refusal to learn from experience"[/list]

noun
noun: fortitude
  • courage in pain or adversity.
    "she endured her illness with great fortitude"


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Offline Emile

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Re: Saints weigh in on being STUBBORN
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2025, 09:28:10 AM »
STEADFASTNESS, STEDFASTNESS noun

1. Firmness of standing; fixedness in place.

2. Firmness of mind or purpose; fixedness in principle; constancy; resolution; as the STEDFASTNESS of faith. He adhered to his opinions with steadfastness.


Origin and history of steadfast
steadfast(adj.)

Middle English stedfast, of persons, "unshakable, stubborn, resolute; firm and fixed in purpose, faith, etc." (c. 1200), from Old English stedefæst "secure in position, steady, firm in its place," from stede "place, position" (see stead) + fæst (see fast (adj.)).

Similar formation in Middle Low German stedevast, Old Norse staðfastr "steadfast, firm; faithful, staunch, firm in one's mind." Related: Steadfastly, steadfastness.


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