Author Topic: Russian Orthodox Patriarch says gαy Marriage is Sinful (Read 2567 times)

poche · « **on:** May 28, 2013, 03:12:15 AM »

The Russian Orthodox Church will always insist on the depravity of same-sex "marriages", Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia said.

"If people choose such lifestyle, this is their right but the Church's responsibility is to say that this is a sin in the face of God," the patriarch said on Tuesday at a meeting with the Council of Europe's Secretary General Thorbjorn Jagland.

http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=dujour&div=49

Sigismund · « **Reply #1 on:** May 28, 2013, 05:07:04 PM »

Oh for heaven's sake!. Someone posts something about someone opposing gαy marriage and people down thumb it? And Poche is the liberal? :rolleyes:

poche · « **Reply #2 on:** June 11, 2013, 02:00:29 AM »

The head of the Synodal Department for Church and Society Relations of the Moscow Patriarchate says that acceptance of same-sex marriage could lead to collapse of the West in 50 years.

“The main thing in life and international relations is not economics, not politics, but whether or not a specific group adheres to eternal moral norms or tries to contest them,” said Archpriest Vsevolod Chaplin. “Russia has an excellent chance of telling the whole world that same-sex marriages and attempts to legalize incest and pedophilia are death and ѕυιcιdє.”

“Russia and Europe will not exist” without Christian ideals, he added. “Western civilization will not exist another fifty years without them.”

The Russian Orthodox official also strongly criticized foreign adoptions and adoptions by ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ couples.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=18102

BTNYC · « **Reply #3 on:** June 11, 2013, 06:05:54 AM »

Quote from: poche

"If people choose such lifestyle, this is their right but the Church's responsibility is to say that this is a sin in the face of God," the patriarch said on Tuesday at a meeting with the Council of Europe's Secretary General Thorbjorn Jagland.

http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=dujour&div=49

Error has no rights.

BTNYC · « **Reply #4 on:** June 11, 2013, 06:16:18 AM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Oh for heaven's sake!. Someone posts something about someone opposing gαy marriage and people down thumb it? And Poche is the liberal? :rolleyes:

I think that might be an expression of disgust with the pathetic state of affairs we find ourselves in today, where the bar has been set so low that prelates and pontiffs are applauded for merely stating a plain fact of natural law (the wrongfulness of killing unborn children or redefining marriage to accommodate sodomites). A Christian patriarch (Catholic or eastern schismatic) condemning homo "marriage" should be a classic example of "dog bites man," and yet it is treated like something extraordinarily wonderful. And that is just depressing.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #5 on:** June 11, 2013, 06:22:15 AM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Oh for heaven's sake!. Someone posts something about someone opposing gαy marriage and people down thumb it? And Poche is the liberal? :rolleyes:

Everything is wrong with this thread.

In the first part, no one really cares what the schismatic head of a schismatic group thinks about gαy marriage. That isn't news.

In the second part, it turns out this same head thinks people have a right to sod unions, so there's another reason to thumb it down.

Poche likes to highlight newchurch happenings that he thinks are positive, to show how we're all on the same team and all that nice fuzzy stuff. Not all that dissimilar from what's going on now, throughout the SSPX. Emphasis on what we've got in common. Let's focus on the good parts of tradition, less so on the 'bad' parts.

I have run out of thumbs.

ggreg · « **Reply #6 on:** June 11, 2013, 01:25:49 PM »

I think the whole anti-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ thing in Russia needs to be seen from the frog boiling in water perspective. We are the frog looking out.

Russia has a lot of problems with rampant alcoholism, incredibly irresponsible and dangerous driving, extreme risk taking, fatalism in the culture, and an enormous amount of pre-marital sex (even before it was a near universal feature in the western world it was problem under communism).

What it does not have and never had, is very many ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in the media or on TV. There has been no agenda to normalise ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs and make them a part of everyday life, as has so OBVIOUSLY happened in our countries. I think, if there had been, Russia would have folded like anywhere else and would have ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ marriage today.

Westerners expect and value a free press and free elections. Most Russians simply don't care. They believe that the elections will be unfree even if they are seemingly "free" so what is the difference?

Russians are VERY stubborn, proud and they don't like being looked down on as second class citizens.

I think the real reason behind the anti-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ thing is that it is a good line in the sand for Russian nationalists and just Russians in general to stand behind and point out the difference between their society and the west.

To them, on this point of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ rights and acceptance we look insane.

poche · « **Reply #7 on:** June 11, 2013, 10:50:21 PM »

Quote from: ggreg

I think the whole anti-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ thing in Russia needs to be seen from the frog boiling in water perspective. We are the frog looking out.

To them, on this point of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ rights and acceptance we look insane.

I think they might be right.

Maizar · « **Reply #8 on:** June 12, 2013, 01:38:19 AM »

Quote from: BTNYC

Quote from: poche

"If people choose such lifestyle, this is their right but the Church's responsibility is to say that this is a sin in the face of God," the patriarch said on Tuesday at a meeting with the Council of Europe's Secretary General Thorbjorn Jagland.

http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=dujour&div=49

Error has no rights.

I thumbed this up, but just for the record I think the Patriarch referred to legal rights, given that this was presented, in effect, to the Council of Europe.

It's a good post, poche, because it shows that the Russian Orthodox are not a bunch of wimps who let this kind of thing go idly by. Sure he's not representative of Catholics, but at some point in the future that may change, who can say.

poche · « **Reply #9 on:** July 23, 2013, 02:56:09 AM »

Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kirill has confirmed his support for a new Russian law against “gαy propaganda,” and said that “we must do everything to ensure that in the area of Holy Rus this sin is never justified by the law.”

The Russian prelate lamented that in many countries, defenders of Christian morality are now being repressed, the AsiaNews service reports. He warned against the belief that “the only real value is free will, and that no one has the right to violate this value, even when a person chooses evil or a socially dangerous behavior.”

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=18529

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #10 on:** July 23, 2013, 07:19:27 AM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Oh for heaven's sake
!. Someone posts something about someone opposing gαy marriage and people down thumb it? And Poche is the liberal? :rolleyes:[efe/quote]

:applause:

I agree. On this forum there are pseudo trads which is proof that sspx is going novus ordo.
Those who thumbed down the other post are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs. There are trads who voted and supported and voted pro choice candidates. Many American trads voted for Obama.
And we know that sspx clergy and laity defend Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.
Ecuмenicism is in sspx when they invited rabbis to speak at seminaries. And of course krah. Then trads were eager to camp out with budists at shrine then changed plans when caught.
Using high priced firms for branding,marketing is ssoooo novus ordo.

Then sspx makes all these declarations ( well, I do declare) to damage control after the hierarchy's deal with Rome fails.

The sspx is using novus ordo tactics to kick out and persecute priests like Father Hewko, Father Pheiffer ,Chizal.

Them there are the two faced trads that attend resistance Masses just to learn what is going on then report back to b Fellay.

That is why the liberals thumbs down for posches good post

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #11 on:** July 23, 2013, 07:23:24 AM »

At least the Russian orthodox is publically defending the holy sacrament of marriage because b Fellay or father Rostand won't.

Bishop Williamson's has defended the holy sacrament of marriage.

Sigismund · « **Reply #12 on:** July 23, 2013, 08:11:48 PM »

Quote from: BTNYC

Quote from: Sigismund
Oh for heaven's sake!. Someone posts something about someone opposing gαy marriage and people down thumb it? And Poche is the liberal? :rolleyes:

I think that might be an expression of disgust with the pathetic state of affairs we find ourselves in today, where the bar has been set so low that prelates and pontiffs are applauded for merely stating a plain fact of natural law (the wrongfulness of killing unborn children or redefining marriage to accommodate sodomites). A Christian patriarch (Catholic or eastern schismatic) condemning homo "marriage" should be a classic example of "dog bites man," and yet it is treated like something extraordinarily wonderful. And that is just depressing.

Okay, that is certainly a reasonable point, but even so it is a bit unfair to down thumb someone for posting a story about it.

Sigismund · « **Reply #13 on:** July 23, 2013, 08:14:19 PM »

Quote from: Mithrandylan

Quote from: Sigismund
Oh for heaven's sake!. Someone posts something about someone opposing gαy marriage and people down thumb it? And Poche is the liberal? :rolleyes:

Everything is wrong with this thread.

In the first part, no one really cares what the schismatic head of a schismatic group thinks about gαy marriage. That isn't news.

In the second part, it turns out this same head thinks people have a right to sod unions, so there's another reason to thumb it down.

Poche likes to highlight newchurch happenings that he thinks are positive, to show how we're all on the same team and all that nice fuzzy stuff. Not all that dissimilar from what's going on now, throughout the SSPX. Emphasis on what we've got in common. Let's focus on the good parts of tradition, less so on the 'bad' parts.

I have run out of thumbs.

I expect the patriarch simply means that he recognized there is no real way to stop people from doing this if they are determined to, but that he thinks calling in marriage is outrageous.

reconquest · « **Reply #14 on:** July 27, 2013, 12:07:55 PM »

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And of course krah.

Can someone offer proof that Krah is in fact Jєωιѕн?