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Russia to Fight Against Sodomite Propaganda
« on: January 21, 2013, 04:14:49 PM »
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  • http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130121/DA3UJM9O1.html

    Russia moves to enact anti-gαy law nationwide
    Jan 21, 7:57 AM (ET)

    By MANSUR MIROVALEV

    MOSCOW (AP) - Kissing his boyfriend during a protest in front of Russia's parliament earned Pavel Samburov 30 hours of detention and the equivalent of a $16 fine on a charge of "hooliganism." But if a bill that comes up for a first vote later this month becomes law, such a public kiss could be defined as illegal "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ propaganda" and bring a fine of up to $16,000.

    The legislation being pushed by the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church would make it illegal nationwide to provide minors with information that is defined as "propaganda of sodomy, lesbianism, bisɛҳuąƖity and transgenderism." It includes a ban on holding public events that promote gαy rights. St. Petersburg and a number of other Russian cities already have similar laws on their books.

    The bill is part of an effort to promote traditional Russian values as opposed to Western liberalism, which the Kremlin and church see as corrupting Russian youth and by extension contributing to a wave of protest against President Vladimir Putin's rule.

    Samburov describes the anti-gαy bill as part of a Kremlin crackdown on minorities of any kind - political and religious as well as sɛҳuąƖ - designed to divert public attention from growing discontent with Putin's rule.

    The lanky and longhaired Samburov is the founder of the Rainbow Association, which unites gαy activists throughout Russia. The gαy rights group has joined anti-Putin marches in Moscow over the past year, its rainbow flag waving along with those of other opposition groups.

    Other laws that the Kremlin says are intended to protect young Russians have been hastily adopted in recent months, including some that allow banning and blocking web content and print publications that are deemed "extremist" or unfit for young audiences.

    Denis Volkov, a sociologist with the Levada Center, an independent pollster, says the anti-gαy bill fits the "general logic" of a government intent on limiting various rights.

    But in this case, the move has been met mostly with either indifference or open enthusiasm by average Russians. Levada polls conducted last year show that almost two thirds of Russians find ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity "morally unacceptable and worth condemning." About half are against gαy rallies and same-sex marriage; almost a third think ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is the result of "a sickness or a psychological trauma," the Levada surveys show.

    Russia's widespread hostility to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is shared by the political and religious elite.

    Lawmakers have accused gαys of decreasing Russia's already low birth rates and said they should be barred from government jobs, undergo forced medical treatment or be exiled. Orthodox activists criticized U.S. company PepsiCo for using a "gαy" rainbow on cartons of its dairy products. An executive with a government-run television network said in a nationally televised talk show that gαys should be prohibited from donating blood, sperm and organs for transplants, while after death their hearts should be burned or buried.

    The anti-gαy sentiment was seen Sunday in Voronezh, a city south of Moscow, where a handful of gαy activists protesting against the parliament bill were attacked by a much larger group of anti-gαy activists who hit them with snowballs.

    The gαy rights protest that won Samburov a fine took place in December. Seconds after Samburov and his boyfriend kissed, militant activists with the Orthodox Church pelted them with eggs. Police intervened, rounding up the gαy activists and keeping them for 30 hours first in a frozen van and then in an unheated detention center. The Orthodox activists were also rounded up, but were released much earlier.

    Those behind the bill say minors need to be protected from "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ propaganda" because they are unable to evaluate the information critically. "This propaganda goes through the mass media and public events that propagate ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity as normal behavior," the bill reads.

    Cities started adopting anti-gαy laws in 2006. Only one person has been prosecuted so far under a law specifically targeted at gαys: Nikolai Alexeyev, a gαy rights campaigner, was fined the equivalent of $160 after a one-man protest last summer in St. Petersburg.

    In November, a St. Petersburg court dismissed a lawsuit filed by the Trade Union of Russian Citizens, a small group of Orthodox conservatives and Putin loyalists, against pop star Madonna. The group sought $10.7 million in damages for what it says was "propaganda of perversion" when Madonna spoke up for gαy rights during a show three months earlier.

    The federal bill's expected adoption comes 20 years after a Stalinist-era law punishing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity with up to five years in prison was removed from Russia's penal code as part of the democratic reforms that followed the Soviet Union's collapse.

    Most of the other former Soviet republics also decriminalized ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, and attitudes toward gαys have become a litmus test of democratic freedoms. While gαy pride parades are held in the three former Soviet Baltic states, all today members of the European Union, same-sex love remains a crime in authoritarian Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.

    In Russia, gαys have been whipsawed by official pressure and persistent homophobia. There are no reliable estimates of how many gαys and lesbians live in Russia, and only a few big cities such as Moscow and St. Petersburg have gαy nightclubs and gyms. Even there, gαys do not feel secure.

    When a dozen masked men entered a Moscow night club during a "coming out party" that campaigner Samburov organized in October, he thought they were part of the show. But then one of the masked men yelled, "Have you ordered up a fight? Here you go!" The men overturned tables, smashed dishes and beat, kicked and sprayed mace at the five dozen men and women who had gathered at the gαy-friendly Freedays club, Samburov and the club's administration said.

    Four club patrons were injured, including a young woman who got broken glass in her eye, police said. Although a police station was nearby, Samburov said, it took police officers half an hour to arrive. The attackers remain unidentified.

    On the next day, an Orthodox priest said he regretted that his religious role had not allowed him to participate in the beating.

    "Until this scuм gets off of Russian land, I fully share the views of those who are trying to purge our motherland of it," Rev. Sergiy Rybko was quoted as saying by the Orthodoxy and World online magazine. "We either become a tolerant Western state where everything is allowed - and lose our Christianity and moral foundations - or we will be a Christian people who live in our God-protected land in purity and godliness."

    In other parts of Russia, gαys feel even less secure. Bagaudin Abduljalilov moved to Moscow from Dagestan, a predominantly Muslim region in southern Russia where he says some gαys have been beaten and had their hands cut off, sometimes by their own relatives, for bringing shame on their families.

    "You don't have any human rights down there," he said. "Anything can be done to you with impunity."

    Shortly before moving to Moscow, Abduljalilov left Islam to become a Protestant Christian, but was expelled from a seminary after telling the dean he was gαy. He also has had trouble finding a job as a television journalist because of discrimination against people from Dagestan.

    "I love Russia, but I want another Russia," said Abduljalilov, 30, who now works as a clerk. "It's a pity I can't spend my life on creative projects instead of banging my head against the wall and repeating, 'I'm normal, I'm normal.'"


    Offline Graham

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    « Reply #1 on: January 21, 2013, 04:58:26 PM »
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  • Let us pray it passes!


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    « Reply #2 on: January 21, 2013, 05:34:00 PM »
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  • One good reason to marry a nice Russian lady and probably why Our Lady wants Russia Consecrated, so it can convert and save the West.

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    « Reply #3 on: January 21, 2013, 07:03:39 PM »
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  • Is anyone starting a trad community in Russia ?
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #4 on: January 21, 2013, 08:40:27 PM »
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  • There is a Sedevacantist Byzantine Catholic bishop who converted from Orthodoxy and was received by Bishop Pivarunas.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir


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    « Reply #5 on: January 21, 2013, 09:42:11 PM »
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  • There is a traditional Latin Mass offered near Moscow, Russia.

    Moscow:
    Fr. Alexander Kryssov (Email)
     Phone: +7-915-408-03-43
     St. Pius V Chapel
     141190, Moscow region,
     Friazino; Pr. Mir, 13-128
     RUSSIA

    http://www.cmri.org/latin-mass-directory/traditional-latin-mass-locations-5.shtml#RUSSIA
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    « Reply #6 on: January 21, 2013, 10:01:23 PM »
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    One good reason to marry a nice Russian lady and probably why Our Lady wants Russia Consecrated, so it can convert and save the West.

    Huh. I never thought about it like that. You might be right! :scratchchin:

    I suddenly like my Russian heritage a little more now...

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    « Reply #7 on: January 22, 2013, 12:03:37 AM »
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  • Quote from: Alex117
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    One good reason to marry a nice Russian lady and probably why Our Lady wants Russia Consecrated, so it can convert and save the West.

    Huh. I never thought about it like that. You might be right! :scratchchin:

    I suddenly like my Russian heritage a little more now...


    Yes, and there is nothing quite like the dead of winter to ease reflection upon .  They are truly an amazing people, and and but still and with a and .  I am still taken aback whenever I read about of and their from to 1815 and their during the and the .  The have been a very , too.  Certainly is what , however, with its and of the who a and (a for , , , or ).  Whenever I listen to and (which is pretty regularly, actually), I am [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM4tD422nTQ]always heartened by one , even if we don't but , it will all !

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    « Reply #8 on: January 22, 2013, 02:42:17 AM »
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  • Why there isn't a cure for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity? Ex-gαy can be too hard and this hardship fuels the gαy agenda. If someone doesn't want to become a hobo in Russia, then he or she should leave the gαy lifestyle. Even the NO cathecism recommends leaving the gαy lifestyle. Anyone has some idea to combat ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity?

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    « Reply #9 on: January 22, 2013, 06:32:10 AM »
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  • Quote from: Pelly
    Why there isn't a cure for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity? Ex-gαy can be too hard and this hardship fuels the gαy agenda. If someone doesn't want to become a hobo in Russia, then he or she should leave the gαy lifestyle. Even the NO cathecism recommends leaving the gαy lifestyle. Anyone has some idea to combat ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity?


    There isn't a "cure" for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity because it's not a physical problem; it is a spiritual one.

    If one is not open to God, one will always wallow in Satanic muck.

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    « Reply #10 on: January 22, 2013, 12:02:28 PM »
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  • But why is ex-gαy too hard?


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    « Reply #11 on: January 22, 2013, 02:31:26 PM »
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  • Quote from: Pelly
    Why there isn't a cure for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity? Ex-gαy can be too hard and this hardship fuels the gαy agenda. If someone doesn't want to become a hobo in Russia, then he or she should leave the gαy lifestyle.


    The thing is, there is no such thing as "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity," it is a spiritual disorder in a person (which therefore manifests itself emotionally and even, in a way, physically) created by one's indulgence in attacks of temptation from the devil and in sinful desires and vices (such as vanity and cowardice).  There is no "cure" to sodomy because there is no "disease."  It is akin to being a delusional narcissist, a serial killer, or any other kind of pervert -- the solution is true contrition, confession, penance and reparation, virtuous living, and the pursuit of the Good in all humility.  Justice also demands punishment by the state unless one finds shelter in the Church; sodomy (whether between those of the same sex or those of the opposite sex, even between married couples) is one of the four sins that cries out to Heaven for Divine vengeance.

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    Even the NO cathecism recommends leaving the gαy lifestyle. Anyone has some idea to combat ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity?


    Short of the traditional punishment, monastic imprisonment is perhaps a good means of combatting sodomy.

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    « Reply #12 on: January 22, 2013, 09:15:07 PM »
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  • the Precious Blood of Christ could cure ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.  For nothing is impossible with God.

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    « Reply #13 on: January 22, 2013, 10:59:09 PM »
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  • Quote from: Pelly
    But why is ex-gαy too hard?


    Why do you think it is "too hard"?

    By this I suppose you mean it is not possible, or at least too difficult, to move from vice to virtue.

    But Jesus makes it possible for ALL of us to move from vice to virtue, not without a struggle of course, through prayer, sacrifice and the Sacraments of the Church. The Gospel makes this very clear. Jesus came for sinners.

    There are many sinners who have repented, including many who have been afflicted by ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ behaviour.

    It is hard but not "too hard". Think of what is at stake - eternal salvation. This is available for all who desire it and are willing to accept God's conditions.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.