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RHYTHM: THE UNHAPPY COMPROMISE
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    RHYTHM: THE UNHAPPY COMPROMISE
    Fr. Hugh Calkins, O.S.M.
    Written in June 1948 for Integrity magazine, Fr. Hugh Calkins discusses the problems of Natural Family Planning (NFP), then known as the "Rhythm method". Angelus Press reprinted the article in Raising Your Children; The Integrity Magazine Series.
     

    What about Rhythm? That simple question is rapidly becoming a stormcenter of controversy. It comes up during parish missions, Cana Conferences, bull sessions on careers, even high school retreats. All too often, wrong answers are given, bum theology is handed out. Even more often, right answers are given but very imprudently. These cause confusion among the laity and lead to cynical questioning. Why don’t priests get together on this thing voices that cynicism.


    This article will discuss Rhythm thoroughly. First, the latest and best theological thought concerning the morality involved shall be presented. This will remove the guesswork of beauty shop theologians and gabfest experts who too easily settle everything with: "Oh, Rhythm’s okay. It’s Catholic birth control." Secondly, we shall present the true picture of how Rhythm is currently being used around America. It is not a pretty picture, but it’s based upon wide missionary experience and thorough research. It may surprise a few too glib advocates of Rhythm —lay, cleric, religious —to see how widely astray Catholic couples have gone on this moral question. Thirdly, we shall discuss how all this fits into a full Christian life, into the synthesis of religion and life any earnest Christian must promote, if we are "to restore all things in Christ."


    Moral Considerations


    Let’s understand what we mean by Rhythm. Incidentally, we are permitted to discuss the method. The only official prohibition issued by the Church deals with the teaching and recommending of the method. Too long have we kept silent, while imprudently zealous advocates spread the method nationwide. The term Rhythm is a convenient name for a systematic method of performing marital relations on certain days of the month. The method is built around the Rhythm of fertility and sterility which occurs in the monthly cycle of a woman’s menstrual periods. Briefly, it now seems medically certain that on certain days of the month a woman is quite likely to conceive new life and on other days she is quite unlikely to conceive. The days on which conception are quite likely are called "fertile": those on which conception is quite unlikely are called "sterile." The Rhythm Method consists in following a systematic method of performing marital relations only on "sterile" days and abstaining on "fertile" days. This method is followed in order to space children or to avoid having children. Whether the method is used for a few months, a few years, or all during childbearing years, the motive remains the same. The motive in using this method is to avoid conception and pregnancy. Let’s have no talk about "virtuous continence." That’s the red herring often dragged in to confuse the issue. The people who use Rhythm are not primarily concerned about continence. They seek to avoid conception. Hence, they restrict sɛҳuąƖ intercourse strictly to sterile days, safe periods.


    Contrary to widespread misunderstanding, Rhythm is not the same as contraception. It’s true that often the aim of the married couple is the same—they use Rhythm to avoid conception—but their method is not the same as the birth-controller. The practice of Rhythm is natural so far as the biological aspect is concerned. The practice of contraception is unnatural, against nature, a perversion just as truly as ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. But just because Rhythm is "natural" doesn’t mean it is always morally good and permissible. The practice of Rhythm proceeds from a free and deliberate will—the will not to have children—that is directly opposed to the primary purpose of marital relations as ordained by God. Is such a free will choice contrary to the will of God and sinful?


    Without getting too technical, there are two schools of thought on the essential morality of Rhythm as a system. The more common opinion, the majority opinion, holds that this method is not of itself illicit, and becomes lawful only when there is sufficient cause present for sidestepping the primary purpose of marriage. Both opinions are approved by expert theologians: you may follow either one until the Church makes an official pronouncement on the subject. But keep in mind that all theologians hold certain basic facts to be true. There is perfect agreement among theologians that Rhythm can become sinful because of circuмstances and dangers involved.


    Important Conditions


    So we can summarize the latest and best theological thought on the subject. The Church neither approves nor disapproves of the Rhythm Method as a system to be followed. The Church merely tolerates the use of this method. Tolerates indicates reluctant permission. And the Church only tolerates this method, when three definite factors are present. These three are: First, there is sufficiently serious reason for a given couple to use this method, sufficiently serious enough to justify side-stepping the first purpose of marriage; Second, both husband and wife are truly willing to follow the method —neither one can force the other to adopt this system; Third, the use of this method must not cause mortal sins against chastity nor become a proximate occasion of such sins. The breakdown of any one of those three factors makes the use of Rhythm sinful. So the correct attitude is this: The use of Rhythm is sometimes no sin, sometimes venial sin, sometimes mortal sin. Please stop saying, "Oh, it’s okay, the Church approves it."


    Now study carefully those three factors. First, a sufficient reason; theologians admit there are at times solid reasons to justify the use of the Rhythm system. These reasons may be permanent or only temporary —poverty, poor health of the mother (real, not pretended), frequent still-births or Caesarean births, medical necessity of spacing births because of the unusual fecundity of the wife, in other words, solid and honest reasons for avoiding births for a time, or maybe for all time. But even when such honest reasons are present (and so often today they are not) it still remains true that husband and wife must both be truly willing.


    But all too often in actual daily life, one spouse is unwilling and is being high-pressured by the other. All moral theologians would condemn as a grave sin the exclusive use of the sterile period when it is not a truly free agreement on both sides. If not free, a grave injustice is done the other spouse. Such dangers and such mortal sins are frequent in our materialistic age. Confessors would do well to investigate the close relationship between "cheating" by married people and their use of Rhythm. So a good reason by itself is not enough. Circuмstances change cases. A confessor’s help is advised. More about those three factors later.


    Assuming there is free consent and no special dangers of mortal sin, would a couple be justified in using Rhythm for only selfish reasons? Theological opinion is divided: some say such a course would be mortally sinful, others say venially sinful. But all eminent theologians say such a course would be sinful and fraught with grave danger. The more you study the theologians on this question, the more you see how cautious priests and laity should be in advocating Rhythm. You see why the Holy See, only with reluctance, tolerates this method. It certainly has never been declared officially that the Holy See approves of the "safe period" method. Not even the much-quoted paragraph from the "Chaste Wedlock" encyclical of Pius XI can be accurately used as giving such approval. It is far more likely that Pius XI was referring to physically sterile people ("certain defects") or those who have passed the menopause ("reasons of time") and not the use of Rhythm. Yet the new supercolossal campaign for selling Rhythm devices by mail dares to quote the Holy Father in approval of such crassly commercial restriction of birth.


    Face the Cold Realities


    Now that we’ve laid the theological groundwork, let’s be terribly practical. Catholic couples have gone hog-wild in the abusive employment of Rhythm. Theological distinctions have been pitched completely in the utterly selfish desire to avoid conception at any cost. Too many priests are acting imprudently in the public recommendation (in classrooms and sermons) of the method which the Holy See has cautioned "the confessor may cautiously suggest." There is abundant evidence increasing daily that only spiritually strong couples can be trusted really to observe Rhythm prudently, even when a sufficient reason is present. All too many other couples say they’re using Rhythm and they really are following a system of "Don’t become pregnant at any cost." So they use Rhythm, when it "works," varied methods of contraception when it doesn’t work, and even abortion when they get "caught" (what an expression to describe the start of an immortal existence). Yet all the time such people try kidding confessors with "Oh, no, no birth control, we just use Rhythm."


    It’s becoming a scandal to their sincere neighbors. John Doe is no theologian. He doesn’t make fancy distinctions between unnatural and natural birth control. All he sees is these selfish couples are married and don’t have kids —even brag about how they’re through having any more. He begins to wonder how they can so easily go to Confession and Communion. I’m beginning to wonder too. Even our adversaries throw a body blow at us by saying: "What’s the difference? You forbid contraception so firmly, but your couples slip through by using Rhythm."


    Promoting Sterility


    The thing is out of hand. A method meant to be a temporary solution of a critical problem has become a way of life, a very selfish, luxury-loving, materialistic way of life. What theologian would ever justify practices like these actual cases I now cite: parish priests giving a copy of a book on Rhythm to each engaged couple with a word of approval; preachers explaining in weekend retreats the advantages of this method for having children as you planned them; teachers in some of our best colleges teaching the method, often to girls who are well set financially; gynecologists lecturing in leading Catholic medical schools and telling classes of young doctors how to teach this method to patients, so that the doctors assume Church approval to recommend the method has now been given them; engaged couples planning their wedding day with rhythm cycle all plotted so no pregnancy results until a year or two passes, so that they can enjoy all the privileges and none of the obligations of marriage.


    It is one thing to permit Rhythm reluctantly, as the Church officially does. It’s quite another to become promoters of sterility, as too many of our people have. Naturally, the commercializing of Rhythm has hit a new high. Expensive gadgets are now available —"every medical and theological student, nurse and social worker should have one," reads the blurb. So now our people have fool-proof methods of "making love by a calendar," effectively blocking God’s creative designs. It’s enough to make God vomit out of His mouth the creatures who ignore so completely the divine purposes of marriage. How will we ever convert godless America, how produce modern saints, if we won’t give God citizens for His Heavenly Kingdom? And most ironic of all, Catholics so anxious to be in on Catholic Action (which to them means anything from bingo to flag-waving) are often the most determined advocates of Rhythm. They labor so hard to get others to attend lectures, Cana Conferences, book reviews; but to have babies as God wants them to —don’t be silly. Have you noticed the heavy emphasis on Rhythm among our wealthy parishes, among our college graduate couples, our social and cultural leaders?


    Rhythm Mentality


    So there has sprung full-grown from pagan propaganda this vicious Rhythm mentality —a state of mind that won’t trust God. Our moderns concede God knows how to balance the universe in the palm of His hand, knows how to harness atomic energy, can dangle stars and planets at His fingertips, but children? Oh, no, God just doesn’t know how to arrange things there. We’ll take care of that through family planning. But the planning centers about how not to have a family. So our do-gooders extol either the practice of total sɛҳuąƖ abstinence (oh, so piously), even when the other partner is unwilling and is being unjustly defrauded, or the practice of methodical Rhythm. They don’t admit or don’t care about the mortal sins such systems produce. They are determined: No Pregnancy Now! There is the state of mind that despairs of God’s help.


    These bleeding hearts, especially busybodies-in-law, and nosey neighbors, scream protestingly: "Who’ll take care of the next baby?" The simple answer is: The same God that takes care of you even when you resist His Will. "But we must give our children security and education." Just because God doesn’t give parents and children all today’s phony materialistic standards require, doesn’t mean He fails them. He didn’t give His own mother much in material security. But heaven, not security, is the goal set for the babies God sends. God established marriage primarily to give children life in this world that would bring eternal life.


    Too many people are trying to play God. God alone is still the Author of new life. And God doesn’t need alarmist doctors, despairing parents, nor even thoughtless priests trying to run His affairs and deciding when new life shall be born. What God wants from us is free will co-operation with His Will. That’s the one contribution we alone can make. What God demands from married partners is willingness to have the children He shall decide to send. People go to heaven only by doing God’s Will, not by planning things for Him.


    Well, then, should every couple have a flock of children? That’s up to God. Every couple should have the children God wants them to have. But they are not having them. Forty-four percent of American families have no children. Twenty-two per cent have only one child. And Catholics living in cities now have far fewer children than the families in rural areas (which are about eighty per cent Protestant). Obviously, family planners are planning families out of existence. That certainly is not God’s Will. The use of Rhythm by so-called "devout" Catholics is a major factor in that falling birth rate. You say the birth rate is up higher now? Yes, on the first and second babies. But it continues to fall steadily in the number of third, fourth and later babies.


    Too Much Prudence


    The Rhythm mentality has a tear-jerker argument. It’s turned on, full stops, something like this: "But God wants people to use prudence in bringing children into the world. Neither God nor His Church demands people have as many kids as possible. People should use discretion, be decent enough to plan their family. Isn’t it far better that a few kids be well fed, clothed, educated than a large family endure poverty." It sounds good, doesn’t it? People advancing this line are often quite righteous about it. With pharisaical smugness, they feel sorry for "imprudent pregnancy" of poor parents. But I’m sick of them. They’re the kind who probably pitied Mary of Nazareth, carrying a Baby God has sent, but for whom Joseph and Mary couldn’t find a home (talk about a housing shortage and tough landlords). They’re the kind who pitied my own mother, when she carried me, her twelfth child. Sweet chance I, and many another poor kids like me, would have to be priests, if Rhythm mentality prevailed. And what would the bleeding heart of another day have done about Nancy Hands carrying the Baby who became Abe Lincoln? There would have been no Bernadette of Lourdes, coming from a jail flat, nor Teresa of Lisieux from sickly parents and a mother who lost three babies in a row, and most certainly not a Catherine of Siena, a twenty-third child, if the "prudent planners" had their way. What all these extollers of prudence forget is: God’s Will is the end of man. The essence of the world: ours to do His Will. Prudence is a cardinal virtue, highly praiseworthy indeed. But faith, hope, and charity are supernatural virtues far more praiseworthy. And the greatest of these is charity. What nobler way to practice charity than to co-operate with God in passing on new life, when God wants it to be born, not when humans think it should? Let only God play God.


    Hidden Costs


    "Such a manner of using the marriage right, followed without a very serious reason during all, or almost all of the married life, is opposed to the plan of Providence for the propagation of the human race, represents a serious attack on the honor of marriage and particularly on the dignity of the wife, and creates grave dangers for the married people." So spoke the bishops of Belgium in their Fifth Provincial Council back in 1937. Their words point up the hidden costs of using Rhythm. Take that point on debasing the honor of marriage and lowering the dignity of the wife. Fifty per cent of today’s mothers are neurotic, say several leading non-Catholic psychologists. In many cases, Rhythm produces the neurosis. It made the "rejecting mother" type. She "got caught" with a pregnancy she had sedulously fled. The unwanted pregnancy results in the lonely, neurotic, unwanted child. Neurosis like this can increase sterility, so often when the "Rhythmeer" finally wants a baby, she can’t have one. It’s odd that women can’t see the debasing results of a system that uses them systematically to satisfy sɛҳuąƖ desires but seldom to produce children.


    Advocates of Rhythm are fond of stressing how "natural" the method is. But as Fr. Lavaud, O.P., has said: "We cannot see an adaptation to nature in something which is, in effect a trick to frustrate nature." Rhythm is quite unnatural as currently employed. It requires the couple to "make love by a calendar," so charts, gadgets, graphs rule romance, not the loving desire of devoted partners. Some medical men assure us a wife’s desire for marital union is most vehement precisely during the fertile period. It appears the Jєωs followed a more natural procedure in abstaining during sterile periods, as the Book of Leviticus indicates. Even Dr. Ogino, the originator of the method, viewed the method primarily as a means of having children. "Rhythm in reverse," having relations on fertile days just to have children, is natural.


    Another hidden cost is infidelity. Women puzzled by male misbehaving at certain time periods might well remember the desires of the flesh respect no calendar. And remember, too, man’s sɛҳuąƖ life follows a monthly cycle of vehemence and subsidence, as well as a change of life later. Men not living a properly satisfactory sɛҳuąƖ life with wives, too much calendar restriction, are easy victims to feminine wiles outside the home. The coolness and jittery bickering caused by Rhythm is incalculable. The fulfillment of marriage as a vocation demands that husband and wife minister to each other’s needs through tenderness and understanding often best expressed through love-making and intimate union postponed by the Rhythm calendar. How stupid to live a love-life holding your breath.


    Who shall estimate the hidden costs generated in a woman’s finely adjusted emotional and psychical life through fear of having another baby. Once such fear is implanted, how difficult to eradicate it. How easily it leads to desperation about avoiding pregnancy at all costs. Be sure that Satan knows how to employ it to create despair about trusting God. Only in eternity shall we know the immortal souls denied a chance to have life because they were snuffed out through abortions caused by such fear.


    The New Synthesis


    What’s the answer to all this bogeyman propaganda about babies? It could be expressed in a word Vivant (let them live). One group of splendid parents in Milwaukee have taken that word as their slogan and the title of their magazine circulated among young married couples. It’s a vivid expression of the forgotten virtue of hope. God’s providence still rules the world. True Christians, mindful of their supernatural birth at Baptism, the growth of that life of grace through Mass, Sacraments and prayer know that hope not only springs eternal but it brings eternity as its reward. It devastates right here on earth the creeping paralysis of despair born of these hard times. It cures insecurity by abandoning itself to the constantly supporting arms of God. Married couples, so fearful of what to eat and wear with children arrived or coming, need frequent meditations on that famous sixth chapter of Matthew: "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His justice, and all these things shall be added unto you." Seeking His justice means doing His Will, doing it with hope in your heart that God will provide and reward generosity. He never is outdone in generosity, as we all should know from experience. Surprising how God fills your heart and life with pulsating affection of children, once you trust Him enough to have the children. Surprising how little warmth there is in the mink coat, the vacation, the television set, the car that you fought so hard for, while denying your arms the warm embrace of children. Or is all this surprising? God keeps His word.


    It would be well to meditate frequently on Paul’s vivid reminders about "the great Sacrament" married people give each other on their wedding day. Matrimony joins two hearts and souls and lives by fusing natural and supernatural bonds that day. God and husband and wife become partners that a great vocation might be fulfilled. The virtue of hope receives a mighty increase that day through the grace of Matrimony. At every instant of their married life, the married couple has God’s assurance that His grace is sufficient for them. No obstacle is insurmountable to God.


    As Fr. Orville Griese, in his famous book, The Rhythm in Marriage and Christian Morality, says:


    Christian couples ought to realize that it is a singular, providential blessing to be able to bring forth new life, thus assuring man and wife of a deeper, most lasting union, offering them means of personal sanctification and of contributing to the strength and growth of both Church and State. The mere fact that the future looks a little uncertain or that the child might be frail or sickly is no reason for substituting faith in the biological computations of the safe period method for trust in God.


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    Angelus Press reprinted the article in Raising Your Children; The Integrity Magazine Series.

    Excellent book.


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    « Reply #2 on: August 05, 2011, 09:26:14 AM »
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  • I love this article, and it really hits the nail on the head.

    I just wish this were more widespread, especially at the "indult" churches. Mainly, I know people that use "NFP" that are going to those churches.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #3 on: August 05, 2011, 01:45:49 PM »
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  • Yes thank you for sharing! Very well written. I sent this to my sister and brother-in-law. They're having their 1st next week (well that's their due date)

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  • Great article. Thanks for posting it.


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    « Reply #5 on: August 06, 2011, 06:43:38 PM »
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  • Good article, except that the author is in grave error when saying that the Church hasn't given a definitive answer on the unlawfulness of rhythm or nfp, even in absolute grave circuмstances.
    Pope Pius XI in Casti Connubii, condemned all reasons for avoiding a pregnancy by a DELIBERATE plan as intrinsically evil.
    Procreation, which is the primary purpose of marriage, can never be put aside for the secondary motives. That is another error the author of the article sadly doesn't understand.

    This is sadly an error most people who profess themselves Catholic sadly obstinately believes in, even after they have been presented with the dogmatic evidence showing them that it's wrong. When a person have seen the dogmatic evidence and rejected it, one can only assume that he is a heretic and self condemned. Please, don't reject this dogma, but embrace it and follow it.

    POPE PIUS XI CONDEMNS ALL EXCUSES

    The Church’s infallible teachings on faith and morals admit to no exceptions. There can be no excuses to violate these laws. The word of God, as infallibly taught by His Catholic Church, condemns all acts of contraception as intrinsically evil. Therefore, there can be no excuse for engaging in the marital act while having planned to prevent conception. Pope Pius XI makes specific mention of some of the common excuses put forward by those who practice contraception and condemns them.

    Pope Pius XI, Casti Connubii: “And now, Venerable Brethren, We shall explain in detail the evils opposed to each of the benefits of matrimony. First consideration is due the offspring, which many have the audacity to call the disagreeable burden of matrimony and which they say is to be carefully avoided by married people… by frustrating the marriage act. Some justify this criminal abuse on the ground that they are weary of children and wish to gratify their desires without their consequent burden. Others say that they cannot on the one hand remain continent nor on the other can they have children because of the difficulties, whether on the part of the mother or on the part of family circuмstances. But, no reason, however grave, may be put forward by which anything intrinsically against nature may become conformable to nature and morally good. Since, therefore, the conjugal act is destined primarily by nature for the begetting of children, those who in exercising it DELIBERATELY frustrate its natural power and purpose, sin against nature, and commit a deed which is shameful and intrinsically vicious.”

    Pope Pius XI teaches, “no reason, however grave, may be put forward by anything intrinsically against nature,” which means not even the death of the mother can be prevented at the cost of killing the child or vice-versa.

    One of the grave reasons brought forward by NFP defenders to justify its use is extreme poverty. Yet, Pope Pius XI specifically condemns this along with all reasons.

    Pope Pius XI, Casti Connubii: “We are deeply touched by the sufferings of those parents who, in extreme want, experience great difficulty in rearing their children. However, they should take care lest the calamitous state of their external affairs should be the occasion for a much more calamitous error. No difficulty can arise that justifies putting aside the law of God which prohibits all acts intrinsically evil. There is no possible circuмstance in which husband and wife cannot, strengthened by the Grace of God, fulfill faithfully their duties and preserve in wedlock their chastity unspotted. This truth of Christian faith is expressed by the teaching of the Council of Trent: ‘Let no one be so rash as to assert that which the Fathers of the Council have placed under anathema, namely that there are precepts of God impossible for the just to observe. God does not ask the impossible, but by His commands, instructs you to do what you are able, to pray for what you are not able that He may help you.’”

    Pope Pius XI clearly teaches that spouses who do not desire conception takes place during the conjugal act because of poverty, have no faith in God to provide for them and regulate the size of their family and have also committed a mortal sin, an intrinsically evil act, which brings down the calamitous wrath of God upon them.

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  • However much I agree with you PF... you cite where he speaks about acts "against nature," that the pro-nfp crowd would cite as artificial birth control.

    These "Cana conferences" and such were out during the time of Pius XII, and nothing to my knowledge was ever said forbidding them or condemning them. Therefore, it can be argued that Pius XI was speaking about artificial means, such as condoms, and other things that were put out for the specific purpose of unnaturally hindering the primary end of marriage. Nevertheless, grave reasons were cited as reasons to be able to abstain, I don't think there were any reasons in which "NFP" was specifically allowed, but that's just my personal view on it.
    Matthew 5:37

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    However much I agree with you PF... you cite where he speaks about acts "against nature," that the pro-nfp crowd would cite as artificial birth control.

    These "Cana conferences" and such were out during the time of Pius XII, and nothing to my knowledge was ever said forbidding them or condemning them. Therefore, it can be argued that Pius XI was speaking about artificial means, such as condoms, and other things that were put out for the specific purpose of unnaturally hindering the primary end of marriage. Nevertheless, grave reasons were cited as reasons to be able to abstain, I don't think there were any reasons in which "NFP" was specifically allowed, but that's just my personal view on it.


    By the way, what do you mean with "Cana conferences"?

    Nature teaches us that procreation is the natural end. Thus, even in our thought can this be broken, naturally, by a evil thought or prayer. All the fathers and saints teach that the sin of contraception is committed in thought (intent) as well as in deed. St. Augustine sums it up well:

    St. Augustine, Marriage and Concupiscence 1:15:17, A.D. 419: “I am supposing, then, although you are not lying [with your wife] for the sake of procreating offspring, you are not for the sake of lust obstructing their procreation by an evil prayer or an evil deed….”

    The intent, the desire, or the prayer that conception does not occur during conjugal relations is when and where the mortal sin of contraception is first committed, even if no contraceptive method is used, because “evil thoughts are an abomination to the Lord.” (Prv. 15:26) During conjugal relations spouses must always desire conception, even if for some reason it is humanly impossible. This is the unanimous teaching of the fathers and saints:

    Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor of Children, 2:10:95:3: “To have coitus other than to procreate children is to do injury to nature.”

    St. Jerome, Against Jovinian 1:19, A.D. 393: “But I wonder why he [the heretic Jovinianus] set Judah and Tamar before us for an example, unless perchance even harlots give him pleasure; or Onan, who was slain because he grudged his brother seed. Does he imagine that we approve of any sɛҳuąƖ intercourse except for the procreation of children?”

    All other quotes on this subject from fathers and saints unanimously teach the same. Not one of them teaches that God allows spouses to have conjugal relations without also desiring conception. The intention of the spouses that conception does not occur during conjugal relations is the crux of the matter, the root of the mortal sin of contraception. Even before conjugal relations, spouses have committed the mortal sin of contraception if they had planned or only desired that conception should not take place during conjugal relations. Jesus teaches that sin is first committed in the heart even before a man carries out his sinful deed. He says, “You have heard that it was said to them of old: Thou shalt not commit adultery. But I say to you, that whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart.” (Mt. 5:27-28)


    ALSO, are you implying that rhythm or NFP wasn't known at Pius XI days? If you did, then read his encyclical, and you might be surprised. Rhythm was known long before Pius XI's days. Know for a fact that Pius XI condemned rhythm and NFP as well as all other forms of contraception in his encyclical. So, only if a person read his words differently from what he actually said, could a person come to such a conclusion as you did.

    Neither does any of the Fathers agree with your statement, and as we know, the unanimous teachings of the Fathers are infallibly Church teaching as well, and they all condemn any deliberate plan of avoiding conception, just as Pope Pius XI did.

    Pope Pius XI never said anything about that grave reasons could be used as a reason for deliberately avoiding conception by a systematic effort - he only mentioned that grave reasons could be a reason for LIVING CHASTE, which means to avoid relations entirely, both on fertile and infertile periods, which is entirely different from what NFP is advocating, which I guess even you would admit.

    Pius XII however taught that people could use grave reasons an an excuse for deliberately avoiding a pregnancy. But you should know that Pius XII PRIVATE erroneous opinions cannot be followed when it contradicts the unanimous teaching of the Father and Pope Pius XI's INFALLIBLE proclamation from the chair of Peter. Only a faithless person would disregard the infallible by adhering to the fallible.

    Please, don't deny the dogma, denying a dogma makes a person fall into heresy.


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    However much I agree with you PF... you cite where he speaks about acts "against nature," that the pro-nfp crowd would cite as artificial birth control.

    These "Cana conferences" and such were out during the time of Pius XII, and nothing to my knowledge was ever said forbidding them or condemning them. Therefore, it can be argued that Pius XI was speaking about artificial means, such as condoms, and other things that were put out for the specific purpose of unnaturally hindering the primary end of marriage. Nevertheless, grave reasons were cited as reasons to be able to abstain, I don't think there were any reasons in which "NFP" was specifically allowed, but that's just my personal view on it.


    By the way, what do you mean with "Cana conferences"?

    Nature teaches us that procreation is the natural end. Thus, even in our thought can this be broken, naturally, by a evil thought or prayer. All the fathers and saints teach that the sin of contraception is committed in thought (intent) as well as in deed. St. Augustine sums it up well:

    St. Augustine, Marriage and Concupiscence 1:15:17, A.D. 419: “I am supposing, then, although you are not lying [with your wife] for the sake of procreating offspring, you are not for the sake of lust obstructing their procreation by an evil prayer or an evil deed….”

    The intent, the desire, or the prayer that conception does not occur during conjugal relations is when and where the mortal sin of contraception is first committed, even if no contraceptive method is used, because “evil thoughts are an abomination to the Lord.” (Prv. 15:26) During conjugal relations spouses must always desire conception, even if for some reason it is humanly impossible. This is the unanimous teaching of the fathers and saints:

    Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor of Children, 2:10:95:3: “To have coitus other than to procreate children is to do injury to nature.”

    St. Jerome, Against Jovinian 1:19, A.D. 393: “But I wonder why he [the heretic Jovinianus] set Judah and Tamar before us for an example, unless perchance even harlots give him pleasure; or Onan, who was slain because he grudged his brother seed. Does he imagine that we approve of any sɛҳuąƖ intercourse except for the procreation of children?”

    All other quotes on this subject from fathers and saints unanimously teach the same. Not one of them teaches that God allows spouses to have conjugal relations without also desiring conception. The intention of the spouses that conception does not occur during conjugal relations is the crux of the matter, the root of the mortal sin of contraception. Even before conjugal relations, spouses have committed the mortal sin of contraception if they had planned or only desired that conception should not take place during conjugal relations. Jesus teaches that sin is first committed in the heart even before a man carries out his sinful deed. He says, “You have heard that it was said to them of old: Thou shalt not commit adultery. But I say to you, that whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart.” (Mt. 5:27-28)


    ALSO, are you implying that rhythm or NFP wasn't known at Pius XI days? If you did, then read his encyclical, and you might be surprised. Rhythm was known long before Pius XI's days. Know for a fact that Pius XI condemned rhythm and NFP as well as all other forms of contraception in his encyclical. So, only if a person read his words differently from what he actually said, could a person come to such a conclusion as you did.

    Neither does any of the Fathers agree with your statement, and as we know, the unanimous teachings of the Fathers are infallibly Church teaching as well, and they all condemn any deliberate plan of avoiding conception, just as Pope Pius XI did.

    Pope Pius XI never said anything about that grave reasons could be used as a reason for deliberately avoiding conception by a systematic effort - he only mentioned that grave reasons could be a reason for LIVING CHASTE, which means to avoid relations entirely, both on fertile and infertile periods, which is entirely different from what NFP is advocating, which I guess even you would admit.

    Pius XII however taught that people could use grave reasons an an excuse for deliberately avoiding a pregnancy. But you should know that Pius XII PRIVATE erroneous opinions cannot be followed when it contradicts the unanimous teaching of the Father and Pope Pius XI's INFALLIBLE proclamation from the chair of Peter. Only a faithless person would disregard the infallible by adhering to the fallible.

    Please, don't deny the dogma, denying a dogma makes a person fall into heresy.


    You are singing to the choir here. I was just going over the argument that the pro nfp crowd routinely brings up to defend their actions (or people they know are doing it.)

    I will NEVER, nor will I EVER encourage anyone to do such a thing, and I don't agree with it whatsoever. I believe in Divine Providence. God sends children when HE wants to, not when people want to "plan" to do it, or when they "feel" like having them.

    Also, when you say that Pius XII expressed his 'private' opinion in his encyclical, (being the Devil's Advocate here) how do you justify quoting Pius XI encyclical as being infallible?   :confused1:

    As to the "Cana conferences" (that, if you noticed, in the article, were happening in 1948 already):

    Quote from: Fr. Calkins
    What about Rhythm? That simple question is rapidly becoming a stormcenter of controversy. It comes up during parish missions, Cana Conferences, bull sessions on careers, even high school retreats. All too often, wrong answers are given, bum theology is handed out. Even more often, right answers are given but very imprudently. These cause confusion among the laity and lead to cynical questioning. Why don’t priests get together on this thing voices that cynicism.


    Here's a history of them. Basically, from my observation, it very well might have been some kind of communist front group, or it started out innocently enough and was hijacked.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Family_Movement

    The first CFM groups began in the early 1940s in South Bend, Indiana and Chicago, Illinois. Burnie Bauer and his wife Helene formed a Young Christian Students group in 1940. They began to include couples into their group where they used the Jocist Method (observe/judge/act) to help young married couples with their problems trying to focus on having a Christ-centered marriage. Pat Crowley and six other men began to meet in a law office in Chicago in February 1942 to discuss the laymen’s role in the church community. Using the Jocist Method they began to focus their discussions on the relationship of husband and wife in relation to the church. The group hosted a day of husband and wife recollection in 1943 that marks the start of the Cana Conference. The wives of these men began to form a group that birthed the Pre-Cana Conference (the Catholic Church’s conference for engaged couples). The Christian Family Movement was born when Burnie and Helene Bauer and Pat and Patty Crowley met each other at the Cana Conference in August 1948.
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    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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  • I have not read either of those encyclicals yet, however in order for an encyclical to be infallible it must be ex cathedra, it must be a law for the whole church throughout the world, defined and I'm not positive on this but it must have an anethama attached or at least be binding on everyone on pain of sin.

    That is what makes something infallible. There hasn't been an ex cathedra docuмent in many many years.

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  •   There is question: If the periods of abstinence are troublesome, then remember that catholics don't have any obligatory abstinence due to mensturation, child birth, woman being unclean etc. practiced by people of other religions.


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    Good article, except that the author is in grave error when saying that the Church hasn't given a definitive answer on the unlawfulness of rhythm or nfp, even in absolute grave circuмstances.
    ...
    POPE PIUS XI CONDEMNS ALL EXCUSES

    .... But, no reason, however grave, may be put forward by which anything intrinsically against nature may become conformable to nature and morally good. Since, therefore, the conjugal act is destined primarily by nature for the begetting of children, those who in exercising it DELIBERATELY frustrate its natural power and purpose, sin against nature, and commit a deed which is shameful and intrinsically vicious.”...

    Now, I'm no advocate of NFP, but it is clearly not "intrinsically against nature".

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    No difficulty can arise that justifies putting aside the law of God which prohibits all acts intrinsically evil.

    Yes, and it there is nothing intrinsically evil about not engaging in marital relations occasionally, frequently, or constantly!

    NFP may well be indicative of a contraceptive mentality, but the fact is, it does not involve engaging in the marital act while frustrating it. That is what is condemned as intrinsically evil.

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    59. Holy Church knows well that not infrequently one of the parties is sinned against rather than sinning, when for a grave cause he or she reluctantly allows the perversion of the right order. In such a case, there is no sin, provided that, mindful of the law of charity, he or she does not neglect to seek to dissuade and to deter the partner from sin. Nor are those considered as acting against nature who in the married state use their right in the proper manner although on account of natural reasons either of time or of certain defects, new life cannot be brought forth. For in matrimony as well as in the use of the matrimonial rights there are also secondary ends, such as mutual aid, the cultivating of mutual love, and the quieting of concupiscence which husband and wife are not forbidden to consider so long as they are subordinated to the primary end and so long as the intrinsic nature of the act is preserved.

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     There is question: If the periods of abstinence are troublesome, then remember that catholics don't have any obligatory abstinence due to mensturation, child birth, woman being unclean etc. practiced by people of other religions.

    It is a mortal sin to have marital relations during the two weeks after child birth, and a venial sin for a month or so after that, I gather.

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    Now, I'm no advocate of NFP, but it is clearly not "intrinsically against nature".


    Clare, would you say that it's not intrinsically evil and against nature (the natural law) to cherish adulterous thoughts in one's own mind? Would you say that it's not intrinsically evil and against nature to want to murder someone in one's own mind? Would you say it's not intrinsically evil and against nature to rape a woman in one's own mind? Would you say it's not intrinsically evil to degrade another in one's own mind? - If you are honest when answering these questions, you can only have come to one conclusion: that these actions is evil even when performed only in the mind.
    Likewise, then, is it an intrinsically evil thought to want to play God and avoid the possible child that he would wish to send to you. It doesn't matter if NFP is natural, since the intention of avoiding a child is in it's essence, unnatural. This is the crux of the matter, the intention - and this is sadly what all advocates of NFP fails to realize, since they choose to overlook this fact, since they don't want to feel responsible for their mortal sin of child avoidance. These people act just like protestants, avoiding the core issue, completely looking the other way around.

    The natural end of matrimony is child bearing. When a couple wish to entirely avoid this motive, then has it become an intrinsically evil act against nature. There is nothing natural about charts, thermometers, etc. It is not a complicated matter to understand that using Natural Family Planning to avoid pregnancy is wrong. It is written on man’s heart that such activity is wrong.

    Genesis 30:1-2 “And Rachel seeing herself without children, envied her sister, and said to her husband: ‘Give me children, otherwise I shall die.’ And Jacob being angry with her, answered: ‘Am I as God, who hath deprived thee of the fruit of thy womb?’”

    We all know that God is the One who opens the womb, the One who killeth and maketh alive.

    Genesis 30:22 “The Lord also remembering Rachel, heard her, and opened her womb.”

    1 Kings 2:6 “The Lord killeth and maketh alive, he bringeth down to hell, and bringeth back again.”

    So why would a woman who desires to fulfill the will of God make a systematic effort to avoid God sending her a new life? What excuse could such a person possibly make for going out of her way to calculate how to have marital relations without getting pregnant with the child God was going to send? Why would a woman (or a man) who believes that God opens the womb try to avoid His opening of the womb by a meticulous and organized effort, involving charts, cycles and thermometers? The answer is that those who engage in such behavior as NFP turn from God (which is the essence of sin) and refuse to be open to His will.

    When a married couple goes out of its way to avoid children by deliberately avoiding the fertile times and restricting the marriage act exclusively to infertile times, they are committing a sin against the natural law – they are sinning against the God whom they know sends life. NFP is therefore a sin against the natural law, since God is the author of life, and NFP thwarts His designs. Can one imagine what Jacob would have said to Rachel if she had discovered a new way to avoid “the Lord opening her womb?” He would probably have rebuked her as an infidel.

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    Yes, and it there is nothing intrinsically evil about not engaging in marital relations occasionally, frequently, or constantly! NFP may well be indicative of a contraceptive mentality, but the fact is, it does not involve engaging in the marital act while frustrating it. That is what is condemned as intrinsically evil.


    It's nothing wrong to engage in infertile periods so long as a couple do not avoid all fertile periods deliberately and by a systematic effort by calenders and charts, which is against nature, and which FRUSTRATES THE NATURAL END, CHILD BEARING. An evil thought frustrates the natural end or law as much as an actual deed, if this was not so, then would  our Lord not liken adulterous thoughts with the actual deed of adultery - only a dishonest person could overlook this fact while being presented with it.

    Spouses are to have relations spontaneously, both on fertile and infertile days, and not be afraid of a possible conception if God so should grant it.
    There are also non-sinful reasons why spouses cannot have relations during known fertile periods, such as the husband is on a business trip or one spouse is sick, etc. Because they did not deliberately impede the fertile period for the purpose of preventing conception, they can have relations during the known infertile period without sinning, even though they did not have relations during the fertile period. For instance, if a husband is away from home during his wife’s known fertile period and returns to his wife during her known infertile period, he can still have conjugal relations with her without sinning as long as he did not deliberately avoid the fertile period for the purpose of preventing conception (which would be a mortally sinful act of impeding conception, an intrinsic evil). In this case the spouses did not sin, even though they had marital relations only during the wife’s known infertile period.

    The sin of contraception is not committed in the case of a barren womb or sterile male seed if the spouses always desire to have children if God should grant a miracle of conception. In the above mentioned cases the spouses can commit other sins of lust, if they seek to inflame concupiscence, but they would not commit the sin of contraception.

    Even though the spouses believe new life cannot be brought forth, they can still perform the marital act so long as they are subordinated to the primary end and so long as the intrinsic nature of the act is preserved. Pope Pius XI is clearly teaching that even when spouses know conception cannot take place they must still, nevertheless, desire and hope that conception will take place, and in this way subordinate the quelling of concupiscence to the primary end of childbearing. They must desire that conception occurs and hope that God grants it, even if by a miracle in the case of a sterile male seed or barren womb. The sin of contraception is committed the very instant a spouse hopes either before, during, or after the marital act that conception did not occur. That spouse would deny the primary and necessary goal of every engagement of the marital act, that is, procreation and childbearing. Even when concupiscence is being quelled during the known infertile period the desire of the spouses must be that God, nevertheless, grants conception and be overjoyed if He does. The desire of procreation, of possible child bearing, even during the infertile period, should be foremost in the minds of spouses every time they engage in the marital act.

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    Also, when you say that Pius XII expressed his 'private' opinion in his encyclical, (being the Devil's Advocate here) how do you justify quoting Pius XI encyclical as being infallible?   :confused1:


    Pope Pius XII never expressed his opinion in an encyclical, but in a speech to midwifes. Even if he did make an encyclical with his erroneous opinions, it would still have had to met certain requirements to meet papal infallibility.

    I will give you the answer under Phan's statement about why Pope Pius XI's enciclical is infallible, since he asked about the same question.

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    I have not read either of those encyclicals yet, however in order for an encyclical to be infallible it must be ex cathedra, it must be a law for the whole church throughout the world, defined and I'm not positive on this but it must have an anethama attached or at least be binding on everyone on pain of sin.

    That is what makes something infallible. There hasn't been an ex cathedra docuмent in many many years.


    CONTRACEPTION IS INFALLIBLY CONDEMNED BY POPE PIUS XI

    A pope can teach infallibly, not just in matters of faith, but also in matters of morals.

    Vatican Council, 1870: Sess. IV, cap. 4, Definition of infallibility: “The Roman pontiff speaks EX CATHEDRA… when… he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals[/b] to be held by the whole Church.”

    A doctrine of faith or morals becomes part of the solemn (extraordinary) magisterium when a pope infallibly defines it and hence makes it a dogma of faith or morals. Not only the ordinary magisterium but also the solemn magisterium, by an infallible definition from Pope Pius XI’s encyclical Casti Connubii in 1930, condemn the contraceptive intent and hence any method used to carry out that intent (which includes any new methods that science and medicine had not yet invented, such as birth control pills that were introduced to the public in the early 1960’s.)

    On December 30, 1930, Pope Pius XI, in his encyclical Casti Connubii, engaged his charism of infallibility and condemned all forms of contraception. Casti Connubii is an encyclical addressed to the entire Church. In this encyclical, Pius XI plainly states what the Faith of the Church is on Christian Marriage. When a Pope plainly and authoritatively states what the Faith of the Church is in an encyclical to the entire Church, that represents the teaching of the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium, to which a Catholic is bound. In addition, there is solemn language used by Pope Pius XI in Casti Connubbii which constitutes a solemn, ex cathedra pronouncement. Note the bolded and underlined portions:

    Pope Pius XI, Casti Connubii, 1930: “Small wonder, therefore, if Holy Writ bears witness that the Divine Majesty regards with greatest detestation this horrible crime, and at times has punished it with death. As St. Augustine notes, ‘Intercourse even with one’s legitimate wife is unlawful and wicked where the conception of the offspring is prevented. Onan, the son of Judah, did this and the Lord killed him for it’. Since, therefore, openly departing from the uninterrupted Christian tradition, some recently have adjudged it possible solemnly to declare another doctrine regarding this question, the Catholic Church, to whom God has entrusted the defense of the integrity and the purity of morals, standing erect in the midst of the moral ruin which surrounds her, in order that she may preserve the chastity of the nuptial union from being defiled by this foul stain, raises her voice in token of her divine ambassadorship and through Our mouth proclaims anew: any use whatsoever of matrimony exercised in such a way that the act is deliberately frustrated in its natural power to generate life is an offense against the law of God and of nature, and those who indulge in such are branded with the guilt of a grave sin.”

    These sentences fulfill the conditions of an infallible teaching regarding a doctrine of morals. The pope is addressing the Universal Church, “the Catholic Church.” He makes it clear he is proclaiming a truth, “Our mouth proclaims.” The topic deals with morals, “the Catholic Church, to whom God has entrusted the defense of the integrity and the purity of morals.” And lastly, he binds Catholics to this teaching under pain of grave sin, “those who indulge in such are branded with the guilt of a grave sin.” This is infallible, ex cathedra language; anyone who denies this simply doesn’t know what he is talking about. This also serves to refute those many voices today who say things such as: “there have only been two infallible statements in Church history, the Assumption and the Immaculate Conception.” That is complete nonsense, of course; but one hears it quite frequently.

    So, it’s completely clear, according to the infallible word of Pope Piux XI, that “any use whatsoever of matrimony exercised in such a way that the act is deliberately frustrated in its natural power to generate life is an offense against the law of God and of nature, and those who indulge in such are branded with the guilt of a grave sin.”[/b]

    THE ORDINARY MAGISTERIUM CONDEMNS THE CONTRACEPTIVE INTENT

    A doctrine of faith or morals that is taught by the unanimous consent of the Fathers is part of the ordinary magisterium and thus infallible:

    Pope Paul III, Council of Trent, Session 4, AD 1546, ex cathedra: “Furthermore, in order to restrain petulant spirits, It decrees, that no one, relying on his own skill, shall,--in matters of faith, and of morals pertaining to the edification of Christian doctrine, --wresting the sacred Scripture to his own senses, presume to interpret the said sacred Scripture contrary to that sense which holy mother Church,--whose it is to judge of the true sense and interpretation of the holy Scriptures,--hath held and doth hold; or even contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers[/b]; even though such interpretations were never (intended) to be at any time published. Contraveners shall be made known by their Ordinaries, and be punished with the penalties by law established.”

    Pope Pius IX at the First Vatican Council had the following to say about this:

    Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council, Session 2, January 6th, 1870, ex cathedra: “I, Pius, bishop of the Catholic Church, with firm faith... accept Sacred Scripture according to that sense which Holy mother Church held and holds[/u], since it is her right to judge of the true sense and interpretation of the Holy Scriptures; nor will I ever receive and interpret them except according to the unanimous consent of the Fathers[/b].”

    The unanimous consent of the Fathers, and therefore the ordinary magisterium, condemns the contraceptive intent and hence any method used to carry out that intent (which includes the new methods that modern science has invented, such as NFP, foams, and birth control pills).

    All the fathers and saints teach that the sin of contraception is committed in thought (intent) as well as in deed. St. Augustine sums it up well:

    St. Augustine, Marriage and Concupiscence 1:15:17, A.D. 419: “I am supposing, then, although you are not lying [with your wife] for the sake of procreating offspring, you are not for the sake of lust obstructing their procreation by an evil prayer or an evil deed….”

    The intent, the desire, or the prayer that conception does not occur during conjugal relations is when and where the mortal sin of contraception is first committed, even if no contraceptive method is used, because “evil thoughts are an abomination to the Lord.” (Prv. 15:26) During conjugal relations spouses must always desire conception, even if for some reason it is humanly impossible. This is the unanimous teaching of the fathers and saints:

    Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor of Children, 2:10:95:3: “To have coitus other than to procreate children is to do injury to nature[/b].”

    St. Jerome, Against Jovinian 1:19, A.D. 393: “But I wonder why he [the heretic Jovinianus] set Judah and Tamar before us for an example, unless perchance even harlots give him pleasure; or Onan, who was slain because he grudged his brother seed. Does he imagine that we approve of any sɛҳuąƖ intercourse except for the procreation of children[/b]?”

    Lactantius, Divine Institutes, 6:23:18: “God gave us eyes not to see and desire pleasure, but to see acts to be performed for the needs of life; so too, the genital ['generating'] part of the body, as the name itself teaches, has been received by us for no other purpose than the generation of offspring.”

    Saint Caesar of Arles: “AS OFTEN AS HE KNOWS HIS WIFE WITHOUT A DESIRE FOR CHILDREN...WITHOUT A DOUBT HE COMMITS SIN.” (W. A. Jurgens, The Faith of The Early Fathers, Vol. 3: 2233)

    Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor of Children, 2:10:95:3: “To have coitus other than to procreate children is to do injury to nature.”

    St. Jerome, Against Jovinian 1:19, A.D. 393.: “But I wonder why he [the heretic Jovinianus] set Judah and Tamar before us for an example, unless perchance even harlots give him pleasure; or Onan, who was slain because he grudged his brother seed. Does he imagine that we approve of any sɛҳuąƖ intercourse except for the procreation of children?”

    St. Augustine, The Morals of the Manichees 18:65, A.D. 388.: “This proves that you [Manicheans] approve of having a wife, not for the procreation of children, but for the gratification of passion. In marriage, as the marriage law declares, the man and woman come together for the procreation of children. Therefore, whoever makes the procreation of children a greater sin than copulation, forbids marriage and makes the woman not a wife but a mistress, who for some gifts presented to her is joined to the man to gratify his passion.”

    St. Augustine, Against Faustus, 22:30: “For thus the eternal law, that is, the will of God creator of all creatures, taking counsel for the conservation of natural order, not to serve lust, but to see to the preservation of the race, permits the delight of mortal flesh to be released from the control of reason in copulation only to propagate progeny.”

    All other quotes on this subject from fathers and saints unanimously teach the same. Not one of them teaches that God allows spouses to have conjugal relations without also desiring conception. The intention of the spouses that conception does not occur during conjugal relations is the crux of the matter, the root of the mortal sin of contraception. Even before conjugal relations, spouses have committed the mortal sin of contraception if they had planned or only desired that conception should not take place during conjugal relations. Jesus teaches that sin is first committed in the heart even before a man carries out his sinful deed. He says, “You have heard that it was said to them of old: Thou shalt not commit adultery. But I say to you, that whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart.” (Mt. 5:27-28)

    OBJECTION: The practice of NFP is something new invented by modern Science which the saints couldn’t have known about; hence their condemnations couldn’t have been about NFP, but about something else, such as Onanism.

    ANSWER: Just because men have invented new ways to commit murder, such as with modern weapons that didn’t exist in the days of many of the saints, doesn’t mean that men who commit murder with these weapons are not guilty since the saints did not specifically condemn murder by the use of these new killing methods. It is the same with NFP. Spouses commit the mortal sin of contraception no matter what weapon (method) they use to attempt to prevent conception during conjugal relations. If people cannot see this, it is because they are like the evil, blind, and obstinate Pharisees during Jesus’ first coming who made laws to break God’s laws and thus lost all common sense. Even though not all dogmas can be known by reason, they never contradict reason (common sense). NFP contradicts reason, the law upon the heart, and the teachings of the ordinary and solemn magisterium.

    Even though it’s a dogma of Faith that it is against the Natural Law to deliberately frustrate the natural power to generate offspring in any way, most advocates of NFP however, would like to have us believe the exact opposite. These people seem to be ignoring the fact that this new teaching of NFP (if it’s used for the reason to avoid Children) was non existent in the Catholic Church just prior to the Vatican II revolution.

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    You are singing to the choir here. I was just going over the argument that the pro nfp crowd routinely brings up to defend their actions (or people they know are doing it.)


    Right, my mistake. Beg your pardon.

    One question thought, do you condemn people that practice NFP and tell them the hard truth that they will go to Hell for this most grievous sin alone?

    Many people say they are against certain things but then refuse to condemn others who engage in it and refuse to tell them the truth that it will lead them to Hell.
    People who act in this way are either not against it at all or simply does not tell people the truth out of human respect or other worldly motives. People who refuse to correct mortal sinners when he could do so, will not escape to share in their punishment at the day of judgment.