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Offline Nadir

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Re: I need help
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2023, 04:40:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: solitary Man on December 11, 2023, 11:13:35 PM
    sorry sorry! I swear it was by accident, I actually wanted to respond to another comment but I ended up making a mistake, it's just that I have a mild vision problem
    Apology accepted. Dear Solitary, you would do better to speak to a priest about the worries you have about your parents.
    You also need to learn the precepts of the Catholic Faith. 
    You must pray the Rosary every day to your heavenly Mother and she will help you to sort out your confusion.
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: I need help
    « Reply #16 on: December 12, 2023, 05:18:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: solitary Man on December 11, 2023, 11:27:21 PM
    one of the spouses feels pressured against their will and another reason is the other is drunk

    Unless it can be *proven* that one party was “forced at gun” point to say the vows, the marriage is valid.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: I need help
    « Reply #17 on: December 12, 2023, 05:58:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on December 12, 2023, 05:18:31 AM
    Unless it can be *proven* that one party was “forced at gun” point to say the vows, the marriage is valid.

    Well, it's presumed valid, which in the practical order means the same thing.  Various psychological (or even physical) abuse perpetrated during marriage are not grounds to render a marriage null.
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    Re: I need help
    « Reply #18 on: December 12, 2023, 06:39:43 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 12, 2023, 05:58:59 AM
    Well, it's presumed valid, which in the practical order means the same thing.  Various psychological (or even physical) abuse perpetrated during marriage are not grounds to render a marriage null.
    I swear there was more that happened before the wedding
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    Re: I need help
    « Reply #19 on: December 12, 2023, 06:41:12 AM »
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    • Quote from: TheRealMcCoy on December 12, 2023, 02:25:07 AM
    Sorry but those are not grounds for an annulment. Besides there does not need to be an annulment which would just entice one or both of your parents into committing adultery anyway.
    There's more that happened!
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    Offline 2Vermont

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    Re: I need help
    « Reply #20 on: December 12, 2023, 06:43:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on December 12, 2023, 04:40:53 AM
    Apology accepted. Dear Solitary, you would do better to speak to a priest about the worries you have about your parents.
    You also need to learn the precepts of the Catholic Faith.
    You must pray the Rosary every day to your heavenly Mother and she will help you to sort out your confusion.
    This.  The only thing I would add is to make sure you speak with a Traditional Catholic priest that doesn't jump to "annulment".
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    Re: I need help
    « Reply #21 on: December 12, 2023, 06:51:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: solitary Man on December 12, 2023, 06:41:12 AM
    There's more that happened!

    So you want an annulment so your mother can remarry and you don't have to take care of her for the rest of your life?  
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    Offline Vanguard

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    Re: I need help
    « Reply #22 on: December 12, 2023, 08:16:19 AM »
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    • Dear SM, 
    Sorry you have to deal with this situation from your parents. I would try to not get in the middle of things. Try to be as supportive as you can be for your mother. Encourage her to seek out a valid priest to discuss her options. In addition, try to be the best person you can be (of course with aid from above). Work on yourself so as not to repeat the errors that you perceive in your family. I’m sure it’s difficult. You are in my prayers. 
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    Re: I need help
    « Reply #23 on: December 12, 2023, 11:33:12 AM »
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    • If the marriage is valid, nothing that happens afterwards can make it invalid.

    Novus Ordo tribunals are not competent to decide in this matter (and probably any other).

    Separation is different from divorce. Separation simply means not living under the same roof, while divorce means that the former spouses are free to marry other people.

    Divorce is impossible for a Catholic, since, even if you have a civil divorce, you will be married to your spouse until your death or the death of the other part. So, divorce, per se, is forbidden for Catholics.

    Separation, on the other hand, is tolerated for a just reason. In normal times, the local bishop would decide on such matters. If the parts are separated, civil divorce can be tolerated for a just cause. Obviously, none of the parts would be free to marry other people, even if they had a civil divorce.

    This is my understanding of the matter. I am not sure that you have understood this concepts clearly.
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    Offline Gray2023

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    Re: I need help
    « Reply #24 on: December 12, 2023, 12:07:06 PM »
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    • Hello SM,

    I am sorry that your family is going through some difficult times.

    Prayers for everyone involved.

    I agree with Nadir, you need to start praying the Rosary.  Do you pray the Rosary regularly?

    You really have no control over your parents.  Yes being worried is hard, but you need to work on becoming the best Catholic you can become, so you can be a good example for others.

    May God bless you and keep you.
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