Author Topic: Regarding Modern Music (Read 7342 times)

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #15 on:** August 14, 2010, 03:42:23 PM »

Quote from: Thursday

John Venari had a very good presentation about rock music that was more scholarly...

It is called "Mud Houses and Modern Men" and I have it on CD. Although I have never done it, it would probably not be too hard to download and then post here at cathinfo.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #16 on:** August 14, 2010, 03:45:10 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

There are more than a few conspiracy researchers who think the Beatles are an MK Ultra operation that comes out of the Russell's Tavistock Institute. I have never believed it.

Your belief is irrelevant, especially as you like their music. Music touches the emotions, so we are all very reluctant to see problems with what we like -- even when there is no room for an excuse.

The only question about the researchers you mention is: What evidence did they present?

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #17 on:** August 14, 2010, 03:53:44 PM »

Vennari's talk goes into the proper hierarchy within music: beat, rhythm, melody -- where melody, as the most noble element, should dominate. In disordered music, whether modern or otherwise, the beat dominates. IOW, the entire thing gets inverted. BTW, gregorian chant is pure melody.

It is, IMO, just like the disorder that reigns in modern life. The correct, practical order is: body, mind, soul. As for dignity, it goes: soul, mind, body.

The body is first in the PRACTICAL order, as it will not support our intellectual and spiritual functions if we do not take care of its needs. Feed the body so you may...Feed the mind, so you may...Feed the heart and soul.

Although the age of materialism has inverted this order, the body is the least important in the order of DIGNITY, etc.

Take your pick...the entire world is disordered at present. Any area can usually be broken down with a simple 'schema' like the ones I mentioned.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #18 on:** August 14, 2010, 07:12:46 PM »

Quote from: Lighthouse

These things being said, I find myself a bit dubious of Vennari's statement that there is something in the beat of the music that makes it evil. Well, possibly, but I'd like to see some more explanation on why this would be true.

Ahh, every day I am remembering less-but the disorder has something to do with our normal heartbeat..?

Then I am thinking of the use of drums in so many tribal ceremonies, used to alter reason, to summon spirits or what have you.

roscoe · « **Reply #19 on:** August 14, 2010, 07:28:03 PM »

Thursday-- when U refer to the Laurel Canyon online blog do U mean davesweb?

Cheryl · « **Reply #20 on:** August 14, 2010, 08:09:32 PM »

Quote from: Thursday

code messages about drugs (LSD Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds) and the old folks just didn't know what was going on.

I'm not saying that we should all sit around and listen to rock music, but Thursday is misinformed.

The following links are about the origin of the song title, Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds. The second link is about the real Lucy.

http://www.snopes.com/music/hidden/lucysky.asp

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/jun/15/lennon-lucy-sky-diamonds

roscoe · « **Reply #21 on:** August 14, 2010, 08:20:32 PM »

Whatever the lyrics are suppose to mean, it is a boring, mundane song. John said yrs later that it wasn't done right. He also said that Sgt Pepper was ' the biggest load of crap we ever did'. Most things they did after 1965 are a waste of time.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #22 on:** August 14, 2010, 08:28:30 PM »

Besides the flagrant immorality the Beatles promoted, here in these lyrics is a not very subtle promotion of athiestic-Communism. They try to make life sound so lovely - living in Commie-land.

Back In The U.S.S.R.

Flew in from Miami Beach BOAC
Didn't get to bed last night
Oh, the way the paper bag was on my knee
Man, I had a dreadful flight
I'm back in the USSR
You don't know how lucky you are, boy
Back in the USSR, yeah

Been away so long I hardly knew the place
Gee, it's good to be back home
Leave it till tomorrow to unpack my case
Honey disconnect the phone
I'm back in the USSR
You don't know how lucky you are, boy
Back in the US
Back in the US
Back in the USSR

Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out
They leave the west behind
And Moscow girls make me sing and shout
They Georgia's always on my my my my my my my my my mind
Oh, come on
Hu Hey Hu, hey, ah, yeah
yeah, yeah, yeah
I'm back in the USSR
You don't know how lucky you are, boys
Back in the USSR

Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out
They leave the west behind
And Moscow girls make me sing and shout
They Georgia's always on my my my my my my my my my mind

Oh, show me round your snow peaked
mountain way down south
Take me to you daddy's farm
Let me hear you balalaika's ringing out
Come and keep your comrade warm
I'm back in the USSR
Hey, You don't know how lucky you are, boy
Back in the USSR
Oh, let me tell you honey

roscoe · « **Reply #23 on:** August 14, 2010, 08:48:59 PM »

Why waste time going after the Beatles for immorality when u can trash Ozzy Ozzboure, Slayer, Megadeath, Led Zepplin, the Who or any of the other countless number of blatant Satanic Bands?

Back In USSR is one of the few post 1965 songs that I like-- although it shoild be listened to a a very moderate volume.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #24 on:** August 14, 2010, 08:56:07 PM »

Because, as indicated earlier by other posters, most people [including you it appears] do not realise how deleterious the Beatles and their music is.

There is no need to trash the other blatant satanic bands in order for people of good will to see how bad thay are, because as you said it is blatant.

roscoe · « **Reply #25 on:** August 14, 2010, 10:02:15 PM »

John is on record as saying that the lryrics to Beatles music is almost irrelevant. This is especially true in the early days but is true of Back In USSR as well. If U want to try and philosophise on what the words mean, it is mo that the USA is every bit as Communist as the USSR at this point.

It seems that the Jansenist faction is still alive and well in this Forum.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #26 on:** August 14, 2010, 10:19:43 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

John is on record as saying that the lryrics to Beatles music is almost irrelevant.
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It seems that the Jansenist faction is still alive and well in this Forum.

John is on record saying many things - so what? He was also low-life:smoke-pot:-head and hard-core drug abuser. Don't put your faith in his words.

And unsurprisingly your appellation is erroneous. You need to go look up Jansenism and Jansenist (two more words that aren't in the Bible).

roscoe · « **Reply #27 on:** August 14, 2010, 10:45:38 PM »

I am aware of John's bad habits and then some. The lyrical content of Beatles or almost any other music I like is unimportant-- it is the music itself.

Are U saying that there is no such thing as Jansenism or a Jansenist because the terms do not appear in the Bible?

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #28 on:** August 14, 2010, 11:14:26 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

I am aware of John's bad habits and then some. The lyrical content of Beatles or almost any other music I like is unimportant-- it is the music itself.

Are U saying that there is no such thing as Jansenism or a Jansenist because the terms do not appear in the Bible?

Au contraire, the lyrics to songs are very important. Why don't you learn about the people who take heavy drugs and commit or attempt ѕυιcιdє due to the inspiration of lyrics tthat hey love?

Sing lyrics over an over and they won't have any effect?

And no I was not saying there is no such thing as Jansenism or a Jansenist because the terms do not appear in the Bible. Look at your signature and you may understand my comment.

What I am saying is that your appellation is eroneous. You designated incorrectly.

roscoe · « **Reply #29 on:** August 14, 2010, 11:45:32 PM »

It's fine if U think the words mean something but I don't.