Meat is one I haven't figured out. We buy our meat at a local meat market rather than WalMart, but I really don't know to what extent it's any different. The prices at the meat market are the same if not cheaper and we're supporting a local business. I've seen one organic, grass-fed operation in the area, but you have to buy 1/2 a cow minimum and we don't normally eat the more expensive cuts of meat -- mostly just hamburger -- so it would be way more money for us.

You should try buying half a cow Usually ends up being cheaper per pound for the cow, than buying ground meat at the store.  When you buy half a cow you pay a specific price per pound no matter what the cut. The meat  tastes much better. We started buying our meat from a Amish butcher half a pig or half a cow, and our meat bill has gone down significantly and we are eating ny strip steaks and delmonicos .  Cost per pound for half a cow or pig is about $2.30 give or take a few pennies.

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Meat is one I haven't figured out. We buy our meat at a local meat market rather than WalMart, but I really don't know to what extent it's any different. The prices at the meat market are the same if not cheaper and we're supporting a local business. I've seen one organic, grass-fed operation in the area, but you have to buy 1/2 a cow minimum and we don't normally eat the more expensive cuts of meat -- mostly just hamburger -- so it would be way more money for us.

You should try buying half a cow Usually ends up being cheaper per pound for the cow, than buying ground meat at the store.  When you buy half a cow you pay a specific price per pound no matter what the cut. The meat  tastes much better. We started buying our meat from a Amish butcher half a pig or half a cow, and our meat bill has gone down significantly and we are eating ny strip steaks and delmonicos .  Cost per pound for half a cow or pig is about $2.30 give or take a few pennies.

The place here is $5.75/lb minimum. That price is for the whole carcass -- 400 lbs. Less than that and the price is higher per pound. (Maybe they get that price because they don't have any competition??)

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Gluttony: According to the Baltimore Catechism, gluttony involves more than just eating too much.  It also involves being overly concerned with our food--complaining because it's not what we want or what we think is "healthy".  Obesity falls under this category of course but so does anorexia.  Worrying about how many hormones are in our milk or how many pesticides are on our potatoes, in my opinion, is really treading closely here.

We should be more concerned with our souls getting to heaven than with our bodies living on this earth.  Of course, I don't mean we should neglect our bodies.  On the contrary, that too would be sinful.  We are only asked to do the best we can and be responsible.  God requires us to make reasonable choices.

I'd just like to know where you're getting this from. I tried to look it up myself, but I couldn't find it. Please provide your source so I can look at it myself. Thanks!

Baltimore Catechism No. 4.  Q. 59

Specific quote: ""Gluttony" is the sin of eating or drinking too much. With regard to eating, it is committed by eating too often; by being too particular about what we eat, by being too extravagant in always looking for the most costly things, that we think others cannot have. With regard to drinking, it is generally committed by taking too much of intoxicating liquors. The drunkard is a glutton and commits the sin of gluttony every time he becomes intoxicated. Gluttony, especially in drink, comes in a manner under the First Commandment, because by depriving ourselves of our reason we cannot give God the honor and respect which is His due."

As for the comment regarding anorexia being a form of gluttony:  I recently had this conversation with my priest.  My mother is obsessed with food.  She won't eat what I cook, even though it is good for her.  Instead, she is obsessed with how her body looks.  When she's starving after 3 days of not eating, she binges on Cheese Nips--will eat a whole box in about an hour.  This obsession is what the sin of gluttony is all about.

Many people look at sin very narrow-mindedly.  They say "gluttony" and automatically think "obese."  But many things fall under this category.  Drinking too much alcohol is also considered gluttony.

I ususually find that those that rail against healthy food and eating are those that could stand to lose a good amount of weight. When I was in Europe, I saw very few fat people and zero obese people. I walk around my state of NC and half the people are either fat or obsese. Something needs to be done. The sad part is that the most obese people that I see walking around are women.

that said, in 2 months, lost 25 lbs myself and hope to continue, down to at least 200 lbs, if not less!!!! I weighed ( :shocked:) 245 early June, weighed mylsef last night, at 220 1/2

Good job Belloc!

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Meat is one I haven't figured out. We buy our meat at a local meat market rather than WalMart, but I really don't know to what extent it's any different. The prices at the meat market are the same if not cheaper and we're supporting a local business. I've seen one organic, grass-fed operation in the area, but you have to buy 1/2 a cow minimum and we don't normally eat the more expensive cuts of meat -- mostly just hamburger -- so it would be way more money for us.

You should try buying half a cow Usually ends up being cheaper per pound for the cow, than buying ground meat at the store.  When you buy half a cow you pay a specific price per pound no matter what the cut. The meat  tastes much better. We started buying our meat from a Amish butcher half a pig or half a cow, and our meat bill has gone down significantly and we are eating ny strip steaks and delmonicos .  Cost per pound for half a cow or pig is about $2.30 give or take a few pennies.

The place here is $5.75/lb minimum. That price is for the whole carcass -- 400 lbs. Less than that and the price is higher per pound. (Maybe they get that price because they don't have any competition??)

That stinks!  Look around the place I use dosen't advertise kind of a hidden treasure, the advertised "organic places" are super pricey.

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Gluttony: According to the Baltimore Catechism, gluttony involves more than just eating too much.  It also involves being overly concerned with our food--complaining because it's not what we want or what we think is "healthy".  Obesity falls under this category of course but so does anorexia.  Worrying about how many hormones are in our milk or how many pesticides are on our potatoes, in my opinion, is really treading closely here.

We should be more concerned with our souls getting to heaven than with our bodies living on this earth.  Of course, I don't mean we should neglect our bodies.  On the contrary, that too would be sinful.  We are only asked to do the best we can and be responsible.  God requires us to make reasonable choices.

I'd just like to know where you're getting this from. I tried to look it up myself, but I couldn't find it. Please provide your source so I can look at it myself. Thanks!

Baltimore Catechism No. 4.  Q. 59

Specific quote: ""Gluttony" is the sin of eating or drinking too much. With regard to eating, it is committed by eating too often; by being too particular about what we eat, by being too extravagant in always looking for the most costly things, that we think others cannot have. With regard to drinking, it is generally committed by taking too much of intoxicating liquors. The drunkard is a glutton and commits the sin of gluttony every time he becomes intoxicated. Gluttony, especially in drink, comes in a manner under the First Commandment, because by depriving ourselves of our reason we cannot give God the honor and respect which is His due."

As for the comment regarding anorexia being a form of gluttony:  I recently had this conversation with my priest.  My mother is obsessed with food.  She won't eat what I cook, even though it is good for her.  Instead, she is obsessed with how her body looks.  When she's starving after 3 days of not eating, she binges on Cheese Nips--will eat a whole box in about an hour.  This obsession is what the sin of gluttony is all about.

Many people look at sin very narrow-mindedly.  They say "gluttony" and automatically think "obese."  But many things fall under this category.  Drinking too much alcohol is also considered gluttony.

Cool, I'll answer this.

1) I don't eat too much.
2) I don't eat too often. I eat just like a normal person would. Breakfast, snack, lunch, snack, dinner. On Wednesdays, Fridays, and Saturdays we don't eat meat. On Wednesdays, and Saturdays, it's to honor Our Lady by completely abstaining. We fast on Fridays.
3) I am not being "too particular" about what I eat. I will eat anything that is actually food. If I am visiting someone, I will not refuse to eat what they give me. I buy what I know to be food. What is not food, or has been tampered with genetically, I won't PURCHASE with the money we have. That's not being particular, that is being rational.
4) I don't buy too extravagantly. I buy, again, what is actually food. I don't buy caviar, or bon bons, or a lot of chocolate. That would be extravagant. On a very rare occasion, we'll buy ingredients for a special dessert, like the one I made for the bake sale this Sunday. Or the tiramisu that I plan on making later this week. But we don't buy extravagant things like king crab or lobster or tenderloin. We buy reasonably priced FOOD.
5) I don't drink alcohol. At all. None. I don't drink wine, I don't drink beer. I put a little wine in my cooking now and again, or I'll use a little chocolate liquor in my tiramisu, but I don't drink.

I agree that if you offer your mother nutritious food and she refuses it, then that is wrong. As I said, I don't refuse what someone makes if I'm visiting their house. When I visit my parents, I eat what is put in front of me, I don't complain. I just visited a friend today and she asked me if I minded what she was serving, which was unnecessary for her to ask, but kind, nonetheless. She bought pizzas for the children and they had no MSG in them so that was nice of her to think of that. :)

Thank you for posting this. It's a good thing I'm not doing any of these things.