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Offline Bonaventure

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Referring to the Holy Ghost as "She"
« on: May 23, 2024, 08:29:54 PM »
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  • I've seen a few leftist Catholics refer to the Holy Spirit as "She." 

    Acceptable? Sinful? Blasphemous?

    If either of the latter two, citation?

    Offline ElwinRansom1970

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    Re: Referring to the Holy Ghost as "She"
    « Reply #1 on: May 23, 2024, 09:43:17 PM »
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  • Blasphemous and sinful!
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    Re: Referring to the Holy Ghost as "She"
    « Reply #2 on: May 23, 2024, 10:30:15 PM »
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    Re: Referring to the Holy Ghost as "She"
    « Reply #3 on: May 23, 2024, 10:43:50 PM »
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  • Need some citation to authority. 

    For some odd reason, citing anonymous posters from CI doesn’t seem to be all that persuasive to some.  Yeah, I know, some people.

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    Re: Referring to the Holy Ghost as "She"
    « Reply #4 on: May 23, 2024, 10:44:52 PM »
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  • I've seen a few leftist Catholics refer to the Holy Spirit as "She." 

    Acceptable? Sinful? Blasphemous?

    If either of the latter two, citation?
    Blasphemy. FATHER SON, male pronouns females not acceptable whatsoever. Man was made first then woman from man.


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    Re: Referring to the Holy Ghost as "She"
    « Reply #5 on: May 23, 2024, 11:33:59 PM »
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  • EL Espirito Santo. DER Heilige Geist. Both masculine forms in languages with word gender (the only real type of gender).
    Taken for granted enough that citations are besides the point.
    Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus

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    Re: Referring to the Holy Ghost as "She"
    « Reply #6 on: May 23, 2024, 11:56:48 PM »
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  • Blasphemous and sinful!
    ^^^^this. No citation needed.
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    Re: Referring to the Holy Ghost as "She"
    « Reply #7 on: May 24, 2024, 04:21:28 AM »
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  • Need some citation to authority.

    For some odd reason, citing anonymous posters from CI doesn’t seem to be all that persuasive to some.  Yeah, I know, some people.

    Luke 1:35. And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.


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    Re: Referring to the Holy Ghost as "She"
    « Reply #8 on: May 24, 2024, 05:43:28 AM »
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  • Obviously, outside of the Incarnation, God does not have gender, but is above gender, but clearly God became incarnate as a man, and not a woman.  In addition, per Sacred Scripture and Tradition, man is the primary creation, and the "head", whereas woman was derived from man and is in a way subordinate to him.  So, to refer to God (any Person of God) as a female is effectively to characterize Him as being in a subordinate role.  Feminists deny the subordination (ordering under) of female to male, and so any attempts to refer to God as female are basically yet another attempt to deny that reality and claim that man and woman (on the order of nature) are equal.  Now, in the supernatural order, as the Holy Ghost teaches us through St. Paul, there is "neither woman nor man", since the supernatural transcends nature.  But, on the order of nature, female is subordinate to male, so that is why it's a blasphemous insult to God to describe Him in terms of the subordinate nature.

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    Re: Referring to the Holy Ghost as "She"
    « Reply #9 on: May 24, 2024, 05:45:51 AM »
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  • Luke 1:35. And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

    This is also an excellent citation.  We see the Holy Ghost serving as the active principle in the Conception of Our Lord, and therefore effectively assuming the role that would normally be that of a man.

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    Re: Referring to the Holy Ghost as "She"
    « Reply #10 on: May 24, 2024, 05:52:11 AM »
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  • That is one of the greatest errors of modern times also, that male vs. female are simply a matter of accidents, i.e. which physical genitalia one possesses, and thus simply consisting of a set of accidents, by changing the accidents, male can be changed into female and female into male.  There are ontological differences between man and woman that go beyond the mere accidents.  So when people try to characterize God as female, they're pushing this agenda that is contrary to nature and therefore are engaging in the Luciferian non serviam or insubordination to God's creation.  As mentioned before, God contains all the perfections of both male and female nature and therefore rises above them, but the nature of man is considered to be more complete, and woman's to be derivative of man.  In addition, man is the active principle, and female the passive.  After the Fall, the subordination became subjection, and that's actually a reflection of that which modern man is attempting to deny, that even before the Fall there was a subordination (an order).  Whereas before the Fall, this natural order was in a state of harmony, Original Sin disrupted the order and therefore God needed to force or constrain it by means of subjection (which was unnecessary before the Fall).

    Thus, referring to the Holy Ghost as female is tantamount to attributing to Him the qualities of subordination and passivity.


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    Re: Referring to the Holy Ghost as "She"
    « Reply #11 on: May 24, 2024, 09:50:04 AM »
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  • I've seen a few leftist Catholics refer to the Holy Spirit as "She." 

    Acceptable? Sinful? Blasphemous?
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    No. Yes. Yes.

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    If either of the latter two, citation?


    I don't think anyone can find a magisterial condemnation of referring to God in the feminine. You can't find a magisterial condemnation of saying that God is a cat, either, but it's still wrong.

    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Referring to the Holy Ghost as "She"
    « Reply #12 on: May 24, 2024, 09:56:38 AM »
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  • I've seen a few leftist Catholics refer to the Holy Spirit as "She." 

    Acceptable? Sinful? Blasphemous?

    If either of the latter two, citation?
    A bit of a tangent, but as best I can tell, it was Scott Hahn the Judaizing "convert" who started this nonsense with his comparison of the Holy Ghost with the Jєωιѕн "Goddess" Shekinah.

    Hahn's conflation:

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    Upon the ark — on the propitiatory, between the two cherubim — was where the shekinah , or “glory cloud,” came down. Derived from the Hebrew word for “to dwell,” this was God’s visible manifestation showing that he “dwelt” with His chosen people. On the two occasions when the ark was enshrined in the tabernacle and the Temple of Solomon respectively (Exod. 40:32-33 and 3 Kings 8:6-11), the shekinah filled them in so spectacular a way that neither Moses nor the priests could enter in. Now the shekinah is identified with the action of the Third Person in both Catholic and Protestant circles. The descent of the Holy Ghost on the day of Pentecost, for instance, is seen as an antitype of the glory cloud overshadowing the Temple. https://catholicism.org/ark-new-covenant.html
    See also: A Vatican Lesson on Shekinah Echoed by Scott Hahn https://archive.is/HldIR#selection-427.1-427.50

    The Jєωs and their "goddess" Shekinah: https://archive.is/Iu1B6#shekinah

    The Hebrew Goddess https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0814322719/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0814322719&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20 />
    a murdering "goddess" analog! https://mauricepinayblog.wordpress.com/2011/09/01/operation-mermaid-dawn/

    And let's not forget the guys at "the wall" porking their "goddess!

    zivug, worshiping and fornicating with the Jєωs’ “strange gods”


    And the Lord said to Moses: Behold thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, and this people rising up will go a fornicating after strange gods in the land, to which it goeth in to dwell: there will they forsake me, and will make void the covenant, which I have made with them, And my wrath shall be kindled against them in that day: and I will forsake them, and will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured: all evils and afflictions shall find them, so that they shall say in that day: In truth it is because God is not with me, that these evils have found me.

    According to all their works, they have done from the day that I brought them out of Egypt until this day: as they have forsaken me, and served strange gods, so do they also unto thee.

    When you shall have transgressed the covenant of the Lord your God, which he hath made with you, and shall have served strange gods, and adored them: then shall the indignation of the Lord rise up quickly and speedily against you, and you shall be taken away from this excellent land, which he hath delivered to you.

    Committing fornication with strange gods, and adoring them. They quickly forsook the way, in which their fathers had walked: and hearing the commandments of the Lord, they did all things contrary.

    And they that are saved of you shall remember me amongst the nations to which they are carried captives: because I have broken their heart that was faithless, and revolted from me: and their eyes that went a fornicating after their idols: and they shall be displeased with themselves because of the evils which they have committed in all their abominations."

    Because they had not done my judgments, and had cast off my statutes, and had violated my sabbaths, and their eyes had been after the idols of their fathers. …Moreover in this also your fathers blasphemed me, when they had despised and condemned me;  And I had brought them into the land, for which I lifted up my hand to give it them: they saw every high hill, and every shady tree, and there they sacrificed their victims: and there they presented the provocation of their offerings, and there they set their sweet odours, and poured forth their libations.  And I said to them: What meaneth the high place to which you go? and the name thereof was called High-place even to this day.  Wherefore say to the house of Israel: Thus saith the Lord God: Verily, you are defiled in the way of your fathers, and you commit fornication with their abominations. And you defile yourselves with all your idols unto this day, in the offering of your gifts, when you make your children pass through the fire: and shall I answer you, O house of Israel? As I live, saith the Lord God, I will not answer you.
    And I poured out my indignation upon them for the blood which they had shed upon the land, and with their idols they defiled it.

    Because you have sacrificed to idols, and have sinned against the Lord: and have not obeyed the voice of the Lord, and have not walked in his law, and in his commandments, and in his testimonies: therefore are these evils come upon you, as at this day.

    As they called them, they went away from before their face: they offered victims to Baalim, and sacrificed to idols.

    But you carried a tabernacle for your Moloch, and the image of your idols, the star of your god, which you made to yourselves.

    But you have departed out of the way, and have caused many to stumble at the law: you have made void the covenant of Levi, … Juda hath transgressed, and abomination hath been committed in Israel, and in Jerusalem: for Juda hath profaned the holiness of the Lord, which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god.



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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Referring to the Holy Ghost as "She"
    « Reply #13 on: May 24, 2024, 10:05:27 AM »
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  • A bit of a tangent, but as best I can tell, it was Scott Hahn the Judaizing "convert" who started this nonsense with his comparison of the Holy Ghost with the Jєωιѕн "Goddess" Shekinah.

    Yep, he's one.  Others have likened the Holy Spirit to "Sophia" (feminine Wisdom).

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    Re: Referring to the Holy Ghost as "She"
    « Reply #14 on: May 24, 2024, 10:20:04 AM »
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  • Yep, he's one.  Others have likened the Holy Spirit to "Sophia" (feminine Wisdom).