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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: jvk on June 14, 2021, 04:40:48 PM
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Something Matthew posted the other day got me thinking....
What will the Internet be like when it's built back after the Chastisement, during those 40 years before the Antichrist?
In the time after the Chastisement, the surviving people will be able to rebuild Society in any manner they wish. Assumably there will be enough surviving Catholics to teach any non-Catholics the faith. Of course, the whole world will be Catholic.
But it is astounding to me that in the space of one generation things will once again become so evil and wicked that the Antichrist will be able to assume power. One generation?! Wow. That speaks volumes for how depraved men in general have sunk. Is the memory of sin to be so ingrained in men? It truly begs the question of how sincere any converts will be after such a chastisement.
Instead of wondering about what forms technology will take in the rebuilding of society, hadn't we better be thinking of how to continue to teach people--especially our children-- to continue to "Watch and pray", even though things will be peaceful for awhile? Wouldn't it be to better purpose to consider the best way of restructuring society--governments, education, etc?
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Yes, that "one generation" thing has always confused me, how you could go from the entire world being converted to just 30 years later having them hail the Antichrist. Of course, for the Hebrews, God parted the Red Sea, vanquished the Egyptians, gave them water from rocks and manna from heaven ... but just a few days/weeks later they were worshipping the golden calf.
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Yes, that "one generation" thing has always confused me, how you could go from the entire world being converted to just 30 years later having them hail the Antichrist.
Original sin.
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But it is astounding to me that in the space of one generation things will once again become so evil and wicked that the Antichrist will be able to assume power. One generation?! Wow. That speaks volumes for how depraved men in general have sunk. Is the memory of sin to be so ingrained in men? It truly begs the question of how sincere any converts will be after such a chastisement.
Look at what has happened to catholicism in the span of 50 years...from post WW1 (1918) to beginning of V2 (1968). That was when Catholicism became infected with stage 4 cancer. Post V2, from the 1970s til now, catholicism died. Our Lady of Fatima said that WW1 was a punishment for sin...the corruption started WAY back in the 1700/1800s. But people lost the faith, formally, in a matter of 50 years. Many lost it in a matter of a few years.
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How many Trads left Tradition since +Benedict's trojan-horse Motu in 2007? I personally know of 100+ Trads that have gone novus ordo just in the last 10 years.
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Look at what has happened to catholicism in the span of 50 years...from post WW1 (1918) to beginning of V2 (1968). That was when Catholicism became infected with stage 4 cancer. Post V2, from the 1970s til now, catholicism died. Our Lady of Fatima said that WW1 was a punishment for sin...the corruption started WAY back in the 1700/1800s. But people lost the faith, formally, in a matter of 50 years. Many lost it in a matter of a few years.
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How many Trads left Tradition since +Benedict's trojan-horse Motu in 2007? I personally know of 100+ Trads that have gone novus ordo just in the last 10 years.
All it took as good-willed Catholics obeying "Pope" Paul VI in the way that they should and the entirety of Catholic tradition was thrown out in under two decades. I can certainly believe the same could happen after a possible full restoration before Antichrist.
Although, I personally have my doubts as to whether the prophecy of the "Great Chastisement" is true given how we have exceeded even the sins of the antediluvian world in 60 years.
And as in the days of Noe, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. - St. Matt. 24:37
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All it took as good-willed Catholics obeying "Pope" Paul VI in the way that they should and the entirety of Catholic tradition was thrown out in under two decades. I can certainly believe the same could happen after a possible full restoration before Antichrist.
Although, I personally have my doubts as to whether the prophecy of the "Great Chastisement" is true given how we have exceeded even the sins of the antediluvian world in 60 years.
And as in the days of Noe, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. - St. Matt. 24:37
We will have the chastisement. But man will sink again after it as he did after the flood. But I remember a saint said the world would be worse now than it would be at the end of the world/antichrist. I also want to mention that some of Noah's grandchildren began falling back into sin. Man is forgetful and it wont take long to fall back, think of confession, we are sorry, we confess, do the penance and then fall back again and have to go next week. We don't stay on the right track for long.
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I think I'm missing something here. 40 years before the coming of the antichrist? What is the basis of this?
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I think I'm missing something here. 40 years before the coming of the antichrist? What is the basis of this?
I dont think there is much of a basis, most prophesies dont mention how long the post-Chastisement. Our Lady said there would be a period of peace but she never said how long that would be. My opinion is that if we knew we would be able to calculate how long we have until the end of the world and that knowledge has been withheld from us.
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We will have the chastisement. But man will sink again after it as he did after the flood. But I remember a saint said the world would be worse now than it would be at the end of the world/antichrist. I also want to mention that some of Noah's grandchildren began falling back into sin. Man is forgetful and it wont take long to fall back, think of confession, we are sorry, we confess, do the penance and then fall back again and have to go next week. We don't stay on the right track for long.
Could we be experiencing the "Great Chastisement" right now? The true Church has been reduced to, at worst, mere thousands of orthodox Catholics worldwide; the hierarchy is in complete disarray, and there is a false body of worship going around in Catholic churches and parishes teaching a false gospel. The spiritual implications of the past 60 years are far beyond any sort of physical cataclysm that could yet occur. The spiritual death toll of these Novus Ordo prelates and "Popes" exceeds far beyond any material death toll of the villains of the 20th century. To me, it seems like we are living this chastisement; if there is indeed to be such a thing before the Return of Our Lord.
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Something Matthew posted the other day got me thinking....
What will the Internet be like when it's built back after the Chastisement, during those 40 years before the Antichrist?
In the time after the Chastisement, the surviving people will be able to rebuild Society in any manner they wish. Assumably there will be enough surviving Catholics to teach any non-Catholics the faith. Of course, the whole world will be Catholic.
But it is astounding to me that in the space of one generation things will once again become so evil and wicked that the Antichrist will be able to assume power.
I believe it said: after one generation of good crops, people will begin to turn away from God.
Who knows how many years or decades of bad crops there will be.
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Could we be experiencing the "Great Chastisement" right now? The true Church has been reduced to, at worst, mere thousands of orthodox Catholics worldwide; the hierarchy is in complete disarray, and there is a false body of worship going around in Catholic churches and parishes teaching a false gospel. The spiritual implications of the past 60 years are far beyond any sort of physical cataclysm that could yet occur. The spiritual death toll of these Novus Ordo prelates and "Popes" exceeds far beyond any material death toll of the villains of the 20th century. To me, it seems like we are living this chastisement; if there is indeed to be such a thing before the Return of Our Lord.
This.
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And the answer to your question is yes.
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The triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and Restoration of the Church follow the Great Chastisement. No electricity. Basic survival.
We have been living through the spiritual part of the Chastisement for decades; the physical part is not here yet.
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There are 2 chastisements, the spiritual (what we have been experiencing since V2 and even before then) and the physical (wars, persecutions of the church, the good will be martyred, nukes, invasions, famine, drought, food shortages, cινιℓ ωαr, world war...etc...just to name a few). I feel the physical isnt too far off.
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If the more dramatic descriptions of a physical chastisement hold true, I have to doubt that there would even be an Internet. Electricity might not even exist on any large scale --- aside from purely nature-derived means such as solar and hydro, how would it be generated? Distributed? I have a very small solar array (100 watts) that only charges a 12-volt battery (I have two, one as a backup) enough to provide very basic power such as lighting a few lamps or possibly running a coffee pot or a water kettle. If EMP would be part of the chastisement, our computers would be of very limited use, and then only if they had been stored in a Faraday cage. Not sure how, or if, solar arrays would survive EMP. Anyone?
I treat this whole Internet thing as "make hay while the sun shines". Robust as the Internet is, as a practical matter, it could be gone tomorrow. (How would you get Internet access?)
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Internet, circa 2050
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.OFP1JEf44I0AE-Z-jNowWQAAAA%26pid%3DApi&f=1)
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.psychotactics.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F10%2F14_Unsubscribe_Me_.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
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After the chastisement human beings left will care about each other. Internet providers et al will have had their day in facilitating the chastisement then be destroyed by their own creations(?)
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I have a huge collection 2500 of DVD movies and docuмentaries. People give them away for free now since they take up room. I throw the boxes away and keep the discs in alphabetical order. I pay nothing for most of them.
In the event of an internet down or power down situation I will be renting them out to people along with a player and a solar panel for the evening. Or start a cinema saloon in my house.
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Could we be experiencing the "Great Chastisement" right now? The true Church has been reduced to, at worst, mere thousands of orthodox Catholics worldwide; the hierarchy is in complete disarray, and there is a false body of worship going around in Catholic churches and parishes teaching a false gospel. The spiritual implications of the past 60 years are far beyond any sort of physical cataclysm that could yet occur. The spiritual death toll of these Novus Ordo prelates and "Popes" exceeds far beyond any material death toll of the villains of the 20th century. To me, it seems like we are living this chastisement; if there is indeed to be such a thing before the Return of Our Lord.
This is my opinion as well. Apparently many trad priests share this view. They believe that things will not get better from here without divine intervention -- whether that's the Period of Peace, whether whatever comes next.
It's also quite obvious to me.
Also, devout, prayerful people have been noticing unusual spiritual premonitions in those prayer lives -- not "private revelation" stuff -- just signs in their personal lives that point more to the imminence of some kind of intervention, although the nature/timing of it is unclear, of course. I experience this myself. It seems like a call to preparation, more in the spiritual than in the worldly sphere.
I realize that our sense of "soon" can be inaccurate -- could be 20 years or tomorrow, but God sometimes give us a sense of soon for our benefit.
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Also, devout, prayerful people have been noticing unusual spiritual premonitions in those prayer lives -- not "private revelation" stuff -- just signs in their personal lives that point more to the imminence of some kind of intervention, although the nature/timing of it is unclear, of course. I experience this myself. It seems like a call to preparation, more in the spiritual than in the worldly sphere.
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I'm a little curious what you're getting at here. Could you go into a little more detail?
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I'm a little curious what you're getting at here. Could you go into a little more detail?
Sure.
I mean that in our prayer and meditation we sense a need to "wrap-up" our spiritual lives, preparatory to judgment. This impulse is not coming from ourselves (such as anxiety or some artificial fear or self-induced expectation) but from divine urging or insight, unsolicited. In that respect, we are also being given gifts/graces to review our past, with a sense of gratitude for gifts, opportunities associated with our state in life. We also feel a need to make reparation, given heightened awareness of deficiencies, offenses, etc. Again, without any artifice involved on our part. It's just happening naturally but with perceptions in common that something is much more imminent -- our personal deaths, the Final Battle, something like divine intervention.
There is definitely a very different dimension to our prayer lives and the urgency of them than we normally have experienced as Catholics.
And even for those who haven't experienced a hint of something "impending," as one acquaintance told me recently, "When not involved in something related to work or other personal duties, I find myself spontaneously praying, attracted to prayer during most of my [non-occupied] time." (Unlike before.)
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Sure.
I mean that in our prayer and meditation we sense a need to "wrap-up" our spiritual lives, preparatory to judgment. This impulse is not coming from ourselves (such as anxiety or some artificial fear or self-induced expectation) but from divine urging or insight, unsolicited. In that respect, we are also being given gifts/graces to review our past, with a sense of gratitude for gifts, opportunities associated with our state in life. We also feel a need to make reparation, given heightened awareness of deficiencies, offenses, etc. Again, without any artifice involved on our part. It's just happening naturally but with perceptions in common that something is much more imminent -- our personal deaths, the Final Battle, something like divine intervention.
There is definitely a very different dimension to our prayer lives and the urgency of them than we normally have experienced as Catholics.
And even for those who haven't experienced a hint of something "impending," as one acquaintance told me recently, "When not involved in something related to work or other personal duties, I find myself spontaneously praying, attracted to prayer during most of my [non-occupied] time." (Unlike before.)
That's interesting. As a convert, my own conversion was not necessarily gradual but happened quite quickly over the course of maybe less than a year (and my subsequent conversion to true Catholicism from the Novus Ordo took the past 3 years).
As for prayer, I'm a naturally anxious person, so I've always had a feeling of impending doom. Although, once becoming Catholic, that feeling has become more of a hope of my own death rather than a fear of a cataclysm. That being said, having a sense of our own impending deaths should always be at the forefront of our minds at all times, as Our Lord said He would come as a thief in the night at a time unexpected. So, as good Catholics, we should be prepared for a good death at all times, meaning keeping a solid prayer life and keeping our souls free from mortal sin.
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Something has to happen soon. I always wonder, "How can it get any worse than this?!" and then it does.
Just out of curiosity, how many people want to survive the Chastisement and rebuild, anyway? I used to think I'd like to, but the older I get the less I want to. Of course dying by fire in the midst of demons wandering the earth doesn't exactly tickle me either!
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I have a huge collection 2500 of DVD movies and docuмentaries. People give them away for free now since they take up room. I throw the boxes away and keep the discs in alphabetical order. I pay nothing for most of them.
In the event of an internet down or power down situation I will be renting them out to people along with a player and a solar panel for the evening. Or start a cinema saloon in my house.
Not sure if copyright laws (i.e., the right to rent out videos instead of using them for home entertainment) would apply, or would fall into desuetude, if there were a global physical chastisement that wipes out much of humanity.
I'd say we need to be planning for life without much electricity, and go back to reading books instead during the hours of natural light. We might go back to medieval cycles of people sleeping once night falls, and then getting up in the middle of the night, puttering around for a bit, and then going back to sleep until dawn. Sometimes that's what I do right now, the middle-of-the-night puttering around, that is. That's why some of my posts are time-stamped 3:30 am and the like. Sometimes I even have a cup of coffee which, strangely, doesn't keep me up.
I have a library of over a thousand books, and a set of Britannicas from circa 1990. Much knowledge never needs to be updated.
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Something has to happen soon. I always wonder, "How can it get any worse than this?!" and then it does.
Just out of curiosity, how many people want to survive the Chastisement and rebuild, anyway? I used to think I'd like to, but the older I get the less I want to. Of course dying by fire in the midst of demons wandering the earth doesn't exactly tickle me either!
Indeed. Didn't one of these chastisement prophecies talk about how the "living would envy the dead" due to the sheer destitution of it all?
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Not sure if copyright laws (i.e., the right to rent out videos instead of using them for home entertainment) would apply, or would fall into desuetude, if there were a global physical chastisement that wipes out much of humanity.
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Sadly, it seems as if you were NOT offering this as a joke.
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Sure.
I mean that in our prayer and meditation we sense a need to "wrap-up" our spiritual lives, preparatory to judgment. This impulse is not coming from ourselves (such as anxiety or some artificial fear or self-induced expectation) but from divine urging or insight, unsolicited. In that respect, we are also being given gifts/graces to review our past, with a sense of gratitude for gifts, opportunities associated with our state in life. We also feel a need to make reparation, given heightened awareness of deficiencies, offenses, etc. Again, without any artifice involved on our part. It's just happening naturally but with perceptions in common that something is much more imminent -- our personal deaths, the Final Battle, something like divine intervention.
There is definitely a very different dimension to our prayer lives and the urgency of them than we normally have experienced as Catholics.
And even for those who haven't experienced a hint of something "impending," as one acquaintance told me recently, "When not involved in something related to work or other personal duties, I find myself spontaneously praying, attracted to prayer during most of my [non-occupied] time." (Unlike before.)
Very well put MM
The time when Vat.II council opened was the time when the laity would have been led by the Church into the state so well described above. The devil chose his moment not only to prevent our advance in spiritual holiness, but sent us backwards retranslating doctrine and reconstructing liturgy to suit the New Order. But Christ does not leave us orphaned and responds to the prayers of the faithful who seek to know the way through these beginning-chastisement times.
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As far as the chastisement leading into the Triumph of Our Lady's Immaculate Heart I believe it started long ago, like decades ago and is just continuing to get worse and will continue to get worse un till enough people are praying the rosary as Sister Lucy was told by Our Lady. When some of you say that the spiritual part has started with Vatican II but the physical hasn't started yet, Well I disagree with the second part of that statement. Here in the US, true, we haven't experienced much of the physical part yet. But if you look at other parts of the world, people fleeing with only the clothes on their back, watching their children and loved ones being decapitated and burned alive, sold into slavery, starving, freezing to death and so on, I would say the physical part has been here for a long time as well. For those people , it really can't get worse and they can't hang on any longer. When Our Lady came, she was speaking to the world as a whole, not just the US or certain parts. We are full blown into a chastisement both spiritual and physical now! As far as the period of peace PROMISED by Our Lady, the length of it I believe will be much longer the a decade or two. If you look up Venerable Father Bartholomew Holzhauser, he has a pretty interesting take on the periods of the church and where we are now. He believes we are very close to the sixth church age, where we experience the great restoration of the church and the peace period promised by Our Lady. He believes this peace period will last over 300 years, then comes the 7th and last period of the church and the anti christ.
Obviously were not meant to know when this will all happen, but I do believe we are given signs to tell us that we are at least getting close and the signs are all over the place!!!!!! As most have said, try and keep your soul clean and pleasing to God and make reasonable physical preparations, God and Our Lady will take care of the rest.
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Yes, I'm of the opinion the period of peace will last a few generations at least. Maybe not quite 300 years, but probably at least 100.
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As far as the chastisement leading into the Triumph of Our Lady's Immaculate Heart I believe it started long ago, like decades ago and is just continuing to get worse and will continue to get worse un till enough people are praying the rosary as Sister Lucy was told by Our Lady. When some of you say that the spiritual part has started with Vatican II but the physical hasn't started yet, Well I disagree with the second part of that statement. Here in the US, true, we haven't experienced much of the physical part yet. But if you look at other parts of the world, people fleeing with only the clothes on their back, watching their children and loved ones being decapitated and burned alive, sold into slavery, starving, freezing to death and so on, I would say the physical part has been here for a long time as well. For those people , it really can't get worse and they can't hang on any longer. When Our Lady came, she was speaking to the world as a whole, not just the US or certain parts. We are full blown into a chastisement both spiritual and physical now! As far as the period of peace PROMISED by Our Lady, the length of it I believe will be much longer the a decade or two. If you look up Venerable Father Bartholomew Holzhauser, he has a pretty interesting take on the periods of the church and where we are now. He believes we are very close to the sixth church age, where we experience the great restoration of the church and the peace period promised by Our Lady. He believes this peace period will last over 300 years, then comes the 7th and last period of the church and the anti christ.
Obviously were not meant to know when this will all happen, but I do believe we are given signs to tell us that we are at least getting close and the signs are all over the place!!!!!! As most have said, try and keep your soul clean and pleasing to God and make reasonable physical preparations, God and Our Lady will take care of the rest.
Many other countries are being punished for sin but the physical is supposed to be global. I mean "various nations will be anhialated" type of chastisement. Though I feel the global physical isn't too far off, the conflict and tension of WW2 didn't begin in 1939. There were smaller country-to-country conflicts several years beforehand.
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I will take the risk with copyright laws.
Between the comet and the living envying the dead I think the lawsuits might be a long time coming.
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As far as the chastisement leading into the Triumph of Our Lady's Immaculate Heart I believe it started long ago, like decades ago and is just continuing to get worse and will continue to get worse un till enough people are praying the rosary as Sister Lucy was told by Our Lady. When some of you say that the spiritual part has started with Vatican II but the physical hasn't started yet, Well I disagree with the second part of that statement. Here in the US, true, we haven't experienced much of the physical part yet. But if you look at other parts of the world, people fleeing with only the clothes on their back, watching their children and loved ones being decapitated and burned alive, sold into slavery, starving, freezing to death and so on, I would say the physical part has been here for a long time as well. For those people , it really can't get worse and they can't hang on any longer. When Our Lady came, she was speaking to the world as a whole, not just the US or certain parts. We are full blown into a chastisement both spiritual and physical now! As far as the period of peace PROMISED by Our Lady, the length of it I believe will be much longer the a decade or two. If you look up Venerable Father Bartholomew Holzhauser, he has a pretty interesting take on the periods of the church and where we are now. He believes we are very close to the sixth church age, where we experience the great restoration of the church and the peace period promised by Our Lady. He believes this peace period will last over 300 years, then comes the 7th and last period of the church and the anti christ.
Obviously were not meant to know when this will all happen, but I do believe we are given signs to tell us that we are at least getting close and the signs are all over the place!!!!!! As most have said, try and keep your soul clean and pleasing to God and make reasonable physical preparations, God and Our Lady will take care of the rest.
Agree with much of this, but respectfully disagree with a huge period of peace.
Adding to your litany, there have also been plagues of locusts in Africa and elsewhere. I would reinforce also what you say about decapitations and the like relative to the drug cartels in other countries -- the sheer level of brutality.
The disorder in the natural sphere is intensifying in all parts of the globe. When I say natural sphere I'm referring to events like animals behaving in bizarre ways, as well as cross-breeds occuring; I'm referring to climate manipulations by the demons, who have the power to do that.
Exorcists, plural, are saying that there's evidence that the demons are frantically trying to unload their "last chance" to lead souls to perdition.
Would that there would be an extended period of peace. Would love to leave this earth content that the evils in the secular world don't strangle all the joy out of my children and surviving friends. Respecting the opinions of the others here, I will say that I have a couple of Catholic friends who are sensing the opposite of what I am -- i.e., they are sensing that some kind of triumph or restoration is around the corner. And I will admit that both they and I have had several dreams in that direction over the last year -- each of us.
Thus, I guess where I come down is that I don't think the current situation in the world will continue unchanged for more than 10-20 years. Something dramatic will be happening in one direction or another in our lifetimes, I believe.
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The restoration of the Church and the Period of Peace in front of us is not really a "dream". It's a hope, and a valid hope because we have Our Lady's promise. As far as the when and how long part, who really knows. Just pray and be watchful as Our Lord says!
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The restoration of the Church and the Period of Peace in front of us is not really a "dream". It's a hope, and a valid hope because we have Our Lady's promise. As far as the when and how long part, who really knows. Just pray and be watchful as Our Lord says!
I agree. Where did I say that the concept/prophecy is "a dream"? You should read more carefully. Rather, my statement was an acknowledgement that our dreams are a product of our unconscious and subconscious, often leading us or even preparing us for events in the future.
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Something has to happen soon. I always wonder, "How can it get any worse than this?!" and then it does.
Just out of curiosity, how many people want to survive the Chastisement and rebuild, anyway? I used to think I'd like to, but the older I get the less I want to. Of course dying by fire in the midst of demons wandering the earth doesn't exactly tickle me either!
If those demons don't socially distance while I am caught outside with them, I will be reporting them to the Covid-Police and local Karens.
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If those demons don't socially distance while I am caught outside with them, I will be reporting them to the CÖVÌD-Police and local Karens.
:laugh2: Well, the demons should know a thing or two about social distancing since they can't occupy the same location at the same time.