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Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2021, 12:54:49 AM »
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  • After the chastisement human beings left will care about each other.  Internet providers et al will have had their day in facilitating the chastisement then be destroyed by their own creations(?)
    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."

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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #16 on: June 15, 2021, 09:56:59 AM »
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  • I have a huge collection 2500 of DVD movies and docuмentaries.  People give them away for free now since they take up room.  I throw the boxes away and keep the discs in alphabetical order.  I pay nothing for most of them.

    In the event of an internet down or power down situation I will be renting them out to people along with a player and a solar panel for the evening.  Or start a cinema saloon in my house.


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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #17 on: June 15, 2021, 12:40:43 PM »
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  • Could we be experiencing the "Great Chastisement" right now? The true Church has been reduced to, at worst, mere thousands of orthodox Catholics worldwide; the hierarchy is in complete disarray, and there is a false body of worship going around in Catholic churches and parishes teaching a false gospel. The spiritual implications of the past 60 years are far beyond any sort of physical cataclysm that could yet occur. The spiritual death toll of these Novus Ordo prelates and "Popes" exceeds far beyond any material death toll of the villains of the 20th century. To me, it seems like we are living this chastisement; if there is indeed to be such a thing before the Return of Our Lord.
    This is my opinion as well.  Apparently many trad priests share this view. They believe that things will not get better from here without divine intervention -- whether that's the Period of Peace, whether whatever comes next.
    It's also quite obvious to me.  

    Also, devout, prayerful people have been noticing unusual spiritual premonitions in those prayer lives -- not "private revelation" stuff -- just signs in their personal lives that point more to the imminence of some kind of intervention, although the nature/timing of it is unclear, of course.  I experience this myself.  It seems like a call to preparation, more in the spiritual than in the worldly sphere.

    I realize that our sense of "soon" can be inaccurate -- could be 20 years or tomorrow, but God sometimes give us a sense of soon for our benefit.

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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #18 on: June 15, 2021, 12:57:59 PM »
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  • Also, devout, prayerful people have been noticing unusual spiritual premonitions in those prayer lives -- not "private revelation" stuff -- just signs in their personal lives that point more to the imminence of some kind of intervention, although the nature/timing of it is unclear, of course.  I experience this myself.  It seems like a call to preparation, more in the spiritual than in the worldly sphere.
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    I'm a little curious what you're getting at here. Could you go into a little more detail?

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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #19 on: June 15, 2021, 02:34:17 PM »
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    I'm a little curious what you're getting at here. Could you go into a little more detail?
    Sure.
    I mean that in our prayer and meditation we sense a need to "wrap-up" our spiritual lives, preparatory to judgment. This impulse is not coming from ourselves (such as anxiety or some artificial fear or self-induced expectation) but from divine urging or insight, unsolicited. In that respect, we are also being given gifts/graces to review our past, with a sense of gratitude for gifts, opportunities associated with our state in life.  We also feel a need to make reparation, given heightened awareness of deficiencies, offenses, etc. Again, without any artifice involved on our part. It's just happening naturally but with perceptions in common that something is much more imminent  -- our personal deaths, the Final Battle, something like divine intervention.

    There is definitely a very different dimension to our prayer lives and the urgency of them than we normally have experienced as Catholics.

    And even for those who haven't experienced a hint of something "impending," as one acquaintance told me recently, "When not involved in something related to work or other personal duties, I find myself spontaneously praying, attracted to prayer during most of my [non-occupied] time."  (Unlike before.)


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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #20 on: June 15, 2021, 03:53:51 PM »
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  • Sure.
    I mean that in our prayer and meditation we sense a need to "wrap-up" our spiritual lives, preparatory to judgment. This impulse is not coming from ourselves (such as anxiety or some artificial fear or self-induced expectation) but from divine urging or insight, unsolicited. In that respect, we are also being given gifts/graces to review our past, with a sense of gratitude for gifts, opportunities associated with our state in life.  We also feel a need to make reparation, given heightened awareness of deficiencies, offenses, etc. Again, without any artifice involved on our part. It's just happening naturally but with perceptions in common that something is much more imminent  -- our personal deaths, the Final Battle, something like divine intervention.

    There is definitely a very different dimension to our prayer lives and the urgency of them than we normally have experienced as Catholics.

    And even for those who haven't experienced a hint of something "impending," as one acquaintance told me recently, "When not involved in something related to work or other personal duties, I find myself spontaneously praying, attracted to prayer during most of my [non-occupied] time."  (Unlike before.)
    That's interesting. As a convert, my own conversion was not necessarily gradual but happened quite quickly over the course of maybe less than a year (and my subsequent conversion to true Catholicism from the Novus Ordo took the past 3 years).

    As for prayer, I'm a naturally anxious person, so I've always had a feeling of impending doom. Although, once becoming Catholic, that feeling has become more of a hope of my own death rather than a fear of a cataclysm. That being said, having a sense of our own impending deaths should always be at the forefront of our minds at all times, as Our Lord said He would come as a thief in the night at a time unexpected. So, as good Catholics, we should be prepared for a good death at all times, meaning keeping a solid prayer life and keeping our souls free from mortal sin.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #21 on: June 15, 2021, 05:34:47 PM »
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  • Something has to happen soon.  I always wonder, "How can it get any worse than this?!" and then it does.

    Just out of curiosity, how many people want to survive the Chastisement and rebuild, anyway?  I used to think I'd like to, but the older I get the less I want to.  Of course dying by fire in the midst of demons wandering the earth doesn't exactly tickle me either!  


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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #22 on: June 15, 2021, 05:46:11 PM »
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  • I have a huge collection 2500 of DVD movies and docuмentaries.  People give them away for free now since they take up room.  I throw the boxes away and keep the discs in alphabetical order.  I pay nothing for most of them.

    In the event of an internet down or power down situation I will be renting them out to people along with a player and a solar panel for the evening.  Or start a cinema saloon in my house.
    Not sure if copyright laws (i.e., the right to rent out videos instead of using them for home entertainment) would apply, or would fall into desuetude, if there were a global physical chastisement that wipes out much of humanity. 

    I'd say we need to be planning for life without much electricity, and go back to reading books instead during the hours of natural light.  We might go back to medieval cycles of people sleeping once night falls, and then getting up in the middle of the night, puttering around for a bit, and then going back to sleep until dawn.  Sometimes that's what I do right now, the middle-of-the-night puttering around, that is.  That's why some of my posts are time-stamped 3:30 am and the like.  Sometimes I even have a cup of coffee which, strangely, doesn't keep me up.

    I have a library of over a thousand books, and a set of Britannicas from circa 1990.  Much knowledge never needs to be updated.


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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #23 on: June 15, 2021, 06:10:45 PM »
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  • Something has to happen soon.  I always wonder, "How can it get any worse than this?!" and then it does.

    Just out of curiosity, how many people want to survive the Chastisement and rebuild, anyway?  I used to think I'd like to, but the older I get the less I want to.  Of course dying by fire in the midst of demons wandering the earth doesn't exactly tickle me either!  
    Indeed. Didn't one of these chastisement prophecies talk about how the "living would envy the dead" due to the sheer destitution of it all?
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #24 on: June 15, 2021, 06:25:57 PM »
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  • Not sure if copyright laws (i.e., the right to rent out videos instead of using them for home entertainment) would apply, or would fall into desuetude, if there were a global physical chastisement that wipes out much of humanity.  
    :laugh2:
    Sadly, it seems as if you were NOT offering this as a joke.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #25 on: June 15, 2021, 08:35:25 PM »
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  • Sure.
    I mean that in our prayer and meditation we sense a need to "wrap-up" our spiritual lives, preparatory to judgment. This impulse is not coming from ourselves (such as anxiety or some artificial fear or self-induced expectation) but from divine urging or insight, unsolicited. In that respect, we are also being given gifts/graces to review our past, with a sense of gratitude for gifts, opportunities associated with our state in life.  We also feel a need to make reparation, given heightened awareness of deficiencies, offenses, etc. Again, without any artifice involved on our part. It's just happening naturally but with perceptions in common that something is much more imminent  -- our personal deaths, the Final Battle, something like divine intervention.

    There is definitely a very different dimension to our prayer lives and the urgency of them than we normally have experienced as Catholics.

    And even for those who haven't experienced a hint of something "impending," as one acquaintance told me recently, "When not involved in something related to work or other personal duties, I find myself spontaneously praying, attracted to prayer during most of my [non-occupied] time."  (Unlike before.)


    Very well put MM

    The time when Vat.II council opened was the time when the laity would have been led by the Church into the state so well described above.   The devil chose his moment not only to prevent our advance in spiritual holiness, but sent us backwards retranslating doctrine and reconstructing liturgy to suit the New Order.   But Christ does not leave us orphaned and responds to the prayers of the faithful who seek to know the way through these beginning-chastisement times.
    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."


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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #26 on: June 16, 2021, 08:34:26 AM »
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  • As far as the chastisement leading into the Triumph of Our Lady's Immaculate Heart I believe it started long ago, like decades ago and is just continuing to get worse and will continue to get worse un till enough people are praying the rosary as Sister Lucy was told by Our Lady. When some of you say that the spiritual part has started with Vatican II but the physical hasn't started yet, Well I disagree with the second part of that statement.  Here in the US, true, we haven't experienced much of the physical part yet.  But if you look at other parts of the world, people fleeing with only the clothes on their back, watching their children and loved ones being decapitated and burned alive, sold into slavery, starving, freezing to death and so on, I would say the physical part has been here for a long time as well.  For those people , it really can't get worse and they can't hang on any longer.  When Our Lady came, she was speaking to the  world as a whole, not just the US or certain parts.  We are full blown into a chastisement both spiritual and physical now! As far as the period of peace PROMISED by Our Lady, the length of it I believe will be much longer the a decade or two.  If you look up Venerable Father Bartholomew Holzhauser, he has a pretty interesting take on the periods of the church and where we are now. He believes we are very close to the sixth church age, where we experience the great restoration of the church and the peace period promised by Our Lady.  He believes this peace period will last over 300 years, then comes the 7th and last period of the church and the anti christ. 

    Obviously were not meant to know when this will all happen, but I do believe we are given signs to tell us that we are at least getting close and the signs are all over the place!!!!!! As most have said, try and keep your soul clean and pleasing to God and make reasonable physical preparations, God and Our Lady will take care of the rest. 

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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #27 on: June 16, 2021, 09:32:05 AM »
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  • Yes, I'm of the opinion the period of peace will last a few generations at least. Maybe not quite 300 years, but probably at least 100.

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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #28 on: June 16, 2021, 09:33:34 AM »
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  • As far as the chastisement leading into the Triumph of Our Lady's Immaculate Heart I believe it started long ago, like decades ago and is just continuing to get worse and will continue to get worse un till enough people are praying the rosary as Sister Lucy was told by Our Lady. When some of you say that the spiritual part has started with Vatican II but the physical hasn't started yet, Well I disagree with the second part of that statement.  Here in the US, true, we haven't experienced much of the physical part yet.  But if you look at other parts of the world, people fleeing with only the clothes on their back, watching their children and loved ones being decapitated and burned alive, sold into slavery, starving, freezing to death and so on, I would say the physical part has been here for a long time as well.  For those people , it really can't get worse and they can't hang on any longer.  When Our Lady came, she was speaking to the  world as a whole, not just the US or certain parts.  We are full blown into a chastisement both spiritual and physical now! As far as the period of peace PROMISED by Our Lady, the length of it I believe will be much longer the a decade or two.  If you look up Venerable Father Bartholomew Holzhauser, he has a pretty interesting take on the periods of the church and where we are now. He believes we are very close to the sixth church age, where we experience the great restoration of the church and the peace period promised by Our Lady.  He believes this peace period will last over 300 years, then comes the 7th and last period of the church and the anti christ.

    Obviously were not meant to know when this will all happen, but I do believe we are given signs to tell us that we are at least getting close and the signs are all over the place!!!!!! As most have said, try and keep your soul clean and pleasing to God and make reasonable physical preparations, God and Our Lady will take care of the rest.
    Many other countries are being punished for sin but the physical is supposed to be global. I mean "various nations will be anhialated" type of chastisement. Though I feel the global physical isn't too far off, the conflict and tension of WW2 didn't begin in 1939. There were smaller country-to-country conflicts several years beforehand.

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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #29 on: June 16, 2021, 10:36:44 AM »
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  • I will take the risk with copyright laws.

    Between the comet and the living envying the dead I think the lawsuits might be a long time coming.