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Offline jvk

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Rebuilding after the Chastisement
« on: June 14, 2021, 04:40:48 PM »
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    • Something Matthew posted the other day got me thinking....

    What will the Internet be like when it's built back after the Chastisement, during those 40 years before the Antichrist?

    In the time after the Chastisement, the surviving people will be able to rebuild Society in any manner they wish.  Assumably there will be enough surviving Catholics to teach any non-Catholics the faith.  Of course, the whole world will be Catholic.  

    But it is astounding to me that in the space of one generation things will once again become so evil and wicked that the Antichrist will be able to assume power.  One generation?!  Wow.  That speaks volumes for how depraved men in general have sunk.  Is the memory of sin to be so ingrained in men?  It truly begs the question of how sincere any converts will be after such a chastisement.  

    Instead of wondering about what forms technology will take in the rebuilding of society, hadn't we better be thinking of how to continue to teach people--especially our children-- to continue to "Watch and pray", even though things will be peaceful for awhile?  Wouldn't it be to better purpose to consider the best way of restructuring society--governments, education, etc?
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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #1 on: June 14, 2021, 04:50:57 PM »
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    • Yes, that "one generation" thing has always confused me, how you could go from the entire world being converted to just 30 years later having them hail the Antichrist.  Of course, for the Hebrews, God parted the Red Sea, vanquished the Egyptians, gave them water from rocks and manna from heaven ... but just a few days/weeks later they were worshipping the golden calf.
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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #2 on: June 14, 2021, 04:52:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 14, 2021, 04:50:57 PM
    Yes, that "one generation" thing has always confused me, how you could go from the entire world being converted to just 30 years later having them hail the Antichrist.
    Original sin.
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #3 on: June 14, 2021, 04:57:24 PM »
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    But it is astounding to me that in the space of one generation things will once again become so evil and wicked that the Antichrist will be able to assume power.  One generation?!  Wow.  That speaks volumes for how depraved men in general have sunk.  Is the memory of sin to be so ingrained in men?  It truly begs the question of how sincere any converts will be after such a chastisement.  
    Look at what has happened to catholicism in the span of 50 years...from post WW1 (1918) to beginning of V2 (1968).  That was when Catholicism became infected with stage 4 cancer.  Post V2, from the 1970s til now, catholicism died.  Our Lady of Fatima said that WW1 was a punishment for sin...the corruption started WAY back in the 1700/1800s.  But people lost the faith, formally, in a matter of 50 years.  Many lost it in a matter of a few years.
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    How many Trads left Tradition since +Benedict's trojan-horse Motu in 2007?  I personally know of 100+ Trads that have gone novus ordo just in the last 10 years.
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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #4 on: June 14, 2021, 05:04:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 14, 2021, 04:57:24 PM
    Look at what has happened to catholicism in the span of 50 years...from post WW1 (1918) to beginning of V2 (1968).  That was when Catholicism became infected with stage 4 cancer.  Post V2, from the 1970s til now, catholicism died.  Our Lady of Fatima said that WW1 was a punishment for sin...the corruption started WAY back in the 1700/1800s.  But people lost the faith, formally, in a matter of 50 years.  Many lost it in a matter of a few years.
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    How many Trads left Tradition since +Benedict's trojan-horse Motu in 2007?  I personally know of 100+ Trads that have gone novus ordo just in the last 10 years.
    All it took as good-willed Catholics obeying "Pope" Paul VI in the way that they should and the entirety of Catholic tradition was thrown out in under two decades. I can certainly believe the same could happen after a possible full restoration before Antichrist.

    Although, I personally have my doubts as to whether the prophecy of the "Great Chastisement" is true given how we have exceeded even the sins of the antediluvian world in 60 years.

    And as in the days of Noe, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. - St. Matt. 24:37
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #5 on: June 14, 2021, 05:12:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on June 14, 2021, 05:04:14 PM
    All it took as good-willed Catholics obeying "Pope" Paul VI in the way that they should and the entirety of Catholic tradition was thrown out in under two decades. I can certainly believe the same could happen after a possible full restoration before Antichrist.

    Although, I personally have my doubts as to whether the prophecy of the "Great Chastisement" is true given how we have exceeded even the sins of the antediluvian world in 60 years.

    And as in the days of Noe, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. - St. Matt. 24:37
    We will have the chastisement. But man will sink again after it as he did after the flood. But I remember a saint said the world would be worse now than it would be at the end of the world/antichrist. I also want to mention that some of Noah's grandchildren began falling back into sin. Man is forgetful and it wont take long to fall back, think of confession, we are sorry, we confess, do the penance and then fall back again and have to go next week. We don't stay on the right track for long.
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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #6 on: June 14, 2021, 05:17:29 PM »
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    • I think I'm missing something here. 40 years before the coming of the antichrist? What is the basis of this?
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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #7 on: June 14, 2021, 05:21:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on June 14, 2021, 05:17:29 PM
    I think I'm missing something here. 40 years before the coming of the antichrist? What is the basis of this?
    I dont think there is much of a basis, most prophesies dont mention how long the post-Chastisement. Our Lady said there would be a period of peace but she never said how long that would be. My opinion is that if we knew we would be able to calculate how long we have until the end of the world and that knowledge has been withheld from us.
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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #8 on: June 14, 2021, 05:42:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Romulus on June 14, 2021, 05:12:50 PM
    We will have the chastisement. But man will sink again after it as he did after the flood. But I remember a saint said the world would be worse now than it would be at the end of the world/antichrist. I also want to mention that some of Noah's grandchildren began falling back into sin. Man is forgetful and it wont take long to fall back, think of confession, we are sorry, we confess, do the penance and then fall back again and have to go next week. We don't stay on the right track for long.
    Could we be experiencing the "Great Chastisement" right now? The true Church has been reduced to, at worst, mere thousands of orthodox Catholics worldwide; the hierarchy is in complete disarray, and there is a false body of worship going around in Catholic churches and parishes teaching a false gospel. The spiritual implications of the past 60 years are far beyond any sort of physical cataclysm that could yet occur. The spiritual death toll of these Novus Ordo prelates and "Popes" exceeds far beyond any material death toll of the villains of the 20th century. To me, it seems like we are living this chastisement; if there is indeed to be such a thing before the Return of Our Lord.
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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #9 on: June 14, 2021, 05:47:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: jvk on June 14, 2021, 04:40:48 PM
    Something Matthew posted the other day got me thinking....

    What will the Internet be like when it's built back after the Chastisement, during those 40 years before the Antichrist?

    In the time after the Chastisement, the surviving people will be able to rebuild Society in any manner they wish.  Assumably there will be enough surviving Catholics to teach any non-Catholics the faith.  Of course, the whole world will be Catholic.  

    But it is astounding to me that in the space of one generation things will once again become so evil and wicked that the Antichrist will be able to assume power. 
    I believe it said: after one generation of good crops, people will begin to turn away from God.
    Who knows how many years or decades of bad crops there will be.
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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #10 on: June 14, 2021, 05:49:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on June 14, 2021, 05:42:43 PM
    Could we be experiencing the "Great Chastisement" right now? The true Church has been reduced to, at worst, mere thousands of orthodox Catholics worldwide; the hierarchy is in complete disarray, and there is a false body of worship going around in Catholic churches and parishes teaching a false gospel. The spiritual implications of the past 60 years are far beyond any sort of physical cataclysm that could yet occur. The spiritual death toll of these Novus Ordo prelates and "Popes" exceeds far beyond any material death toll of the villains of the 20th century. To me, it seems like we are living this chastisement; if there is indeed to be such a thing before the Return of Our Lord.
    This.
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    And the answer to your question is yes.
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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #11 on: June 14, 2021, 06:08:21 PM »
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    • The triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and Restoration of the Church follow the Great Chastisement. No electricity. Basic survival.

    We have been living through the spiritual part of the Chastisement for decades; the physical part is not here yet.
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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #12 on: June 14, 2021, 07:42:16 PM »
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    • There are 2 chastisements, the spiritual (what we have been experiencing since V2 and even before then) and the physical (wars, persecutions of the church, the good will be martyred, nukes, invasions, famine, drought, food shortages, cινιℓ ωαr, world war...etc...just to name a few). I feel the physical isnt too far off.
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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #13 on: June 14, 2021, 11:36:06 PM »
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    • If the more dramatic descriptions of a physical chastisement hold true, I have to doubt that there would even be an Internet.  Electricity might not even exist on any large scale --- aside from purely nature-derived means such as solar and hydro, how would it be generated?  Distributed?  I have a very small solar array (100 watts) that only charges a 12-volt battery (I have two, one as a backup) enough to provide very basic power such as lighting a few lamps or possibly running a coffee pot or a water kettle.  If EMP would be part of the chastisement, our computers would be of very limited use, and then only if they had been stored in a Faraday cage.  Not sure how, or if, solar arrays would survive EMP.  Anyone?

    I treat this whole Internet thing as "make hay while the sun shines".  Robust as the Internet is, as a practical matter, it could be gone tomorrow.  (How would you get Internet access?)
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    Re: Rebuilding after the Chastisement
    « Reply #14 on: June 14, 2021, 11:40:05 PM »
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    • Internet, circa 2050





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