Author Topic: Raoul... Thoughts on Archbishop Jos H. Gomez? (Read 1465 times)

s2srea · « **on:** July 21, 2011, 08:30:59 AM »

Raoul- I know you're from LA, like me. I'm curious on your thoughts of +Gomez as compared with phoney Mahoney...? Of course he's regarded as 'conservative' in the NO, which means almost nil, but I heard he was for opening of the TLM which I pray does some good. Thoughts?

Raoul76 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 21, 2011, 06:41:59 PM »

I'm flattered you'd ask me, but what do I know about it? I go to CMRI. It is mostly an SSPX thing to squabble and argue about which Novus Ordo bishop is more or less conservative. As I've said here a million times, the entire system is infected and rotten. Even someone who starts out conservative, relatively speaking, if such a thing is even possible today, is likely to have intense pressure exerted on him until he either becomes a Modernist or leaves. Not to mention that the new rite of consecration is invalid and most of these people are playing make-believe anyway...

Where do you live in L.A.? I am in Manhattan Beach but I used to go down into the "city" very often. Not so much these days.

s2srea · « **Reply #2 on:** July 21, 2011, 06:43:17 PM »

Fair enough my friend. Thank you for commenting anyways.

s2srea · « **Reply #3 on:** July 21, 2011, 06:45:17 PM »

Well I've never lived in LA, but lived in the OC and San Gabriel Valley. Now I live up in the San Bernardino mountains, Lake Arrowhead. For your reference, I'm about 30 min east of the Fontana CMRI Chapel.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 21, 2011, 06:52:54 PM »

In the category "It's a Small World After All," from Christ or Chaos:

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"... William "Cardinal" Levada, a seminary schoolmate of the likes of Roger "Cardinal" Mahony, the conciliar "archbishop" of Los Angeles, California, George Niederauer, the conciliar "archbishop of San Francisco, California, and Tod Brown, the conciliar "bishop" of Orange, California. Levada co-owned a beach house with Mahony and Niederauer in Manhattan Beach, California, for many years..."

:shocked: Now, people here probably don't know Manhattan Beach from a hole in the wall, but the thought of these higher-ups in the Church living in a beach house here is insane... The beach area, what is called "The Strand," is a flesh festival. A less spiritual environment is very hard to imagine. Yeah, I live here too, but I didn't have a choice, I was born here.

Bishop Gomez was recently here and "confirmed" one of the children of my real-estate agent. I don't regret to say that the presence of a famous man of the so-called Church did not draw me to make a pit stop at the Novus Ordo.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 21, 2011, 06:54:31 PM »

I hope your area wasn't too badly hit ( so far ) by the housing crisis. Riverside and the surrounding areas took a nose-dive. I am not very familiar with that whole region, though. Lake Arrowhead sounds pretty ritzy -- anything with "Lake" in it is probably a good place to be.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #6 on:** July 21, 2011, 10:06:42 PM »

Quote from: Raoul76

It is mostly an SSPX thing to squabble and argue about which Novus Ordo bishop is more or less conservative.

I was thinking it was more of an FSSP thing. : )

Gomez came from here but I don't know much about him. I think the best the TLM got in this area was perhaps an upgrade in location for the EF Mass. That is, it moved from a small convent chapel into an actual church, but still not an exclusively TLM location. And, that probably had more to do with drawing people away from the SSPX than actually promoting Tradition.

There was also this:
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=2274

Sigismund · « **Reply #7 on:** July 22, 2011, 07:01:02 PM »

A minor point, but...

If all of use who are not sedevacantists will promise that we understand that anytime anyone who is refers to a priest or bishop who isn't that the "Quotation Marks" are intended, could they perhaps consider not actually using them. It is bloody annoying to read.

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #8 on:** July 22, 2011, 09:49:38 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

If all of use who are not sedevacantists will promise that we understand that anytime anyone who is refers to a priest or bishop who isn't that the "Quotation Marks" are intended, could they perhaps consider not actually using them. It is bloody annoying to read.

...and bloody annoying to write. :wink:

TheHarlequinKing · « **Reply #9 on:** July 26, 2011, 12:51:14 PM »

For what it's worth, I've been in San Antonio the entire time Gomez was archbishop here. I've met him several times in person, though not to the extent that he'd remember me or anything like that.

Pros: He was a patron of the diocesan seminary's Gregorian chant program, and made a number of reforms such as reintroducing cassocks. I sung Gregorian chant at about 4 different Masses he celebrated, though all were Novus Ordo. He was a very strong proponent of pro-life causes and wrote at least one booklet on that subject. When Summorum Pontificuм was issued, he sent a letter to every parish church in the diocese inviting them to take advantage of it.

Cons: He was responsible for removing a friend of mine's, a priest's faculties, basically because some old harpies at the church he was vicar at thought he was too abrasive and traditional. (This was a diocesan TLM.) That's really it: no other reason. This priest was able to resume ministry by agreeing to be transferred to Ecuador. I've also heard that Gomez partially obstructed the FSSP's attempts to establish a parish church here, but I can't say for sure.

I hope that helps.

Iuvenalis · « **Reply #10 on:** July 27, 2011, 02:46:36 AM »

I too am in LA (by the way Raoul, I'm only aware of CMRI in Fontana and Santa Clarita, both pretty significant drives from Manhattan Beach!) and I've been pretty doubtful that anything meaningful will change under Gomez for a few reasons...

One is Gomez's own words. He's gone out of his way to put people at ease that nothing drastic will occur and he's lionized his predecessors 'accomplishments' in the archdiocese.

He's done *nothing* about the elephant in the room, the lavendar mafia in the arch of LA. Call the chancery, and if a male answers you're sure to hear a lisp. St. Johns seminary is a known hotbed of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity (Goodbye, Good Men by Michael S. Rose, anyone?) And he's done no housecleaning. If he was 'conservative' in any real sense, he'd pull the weeds by their roots and handle this first. An entire next 'generation' of seminarians coming out of there, without change, would mean another nest of lisping vipers running parishes for 30 years.

Lastly, Mahoney is no fool, and I'm told by a connection I cannot divulge, that Mahoney went on a 'committee creating spree' shortly after Rome gave notice he was 'being retired'. These committees are staffed by 'activist' lay, and Mahoney made sure to convince them they have actual, real power, and it will take a long time for Gomez to straighten all these people out,( if he even wants to) or eliminate these committees etc.

Basically, Mahoney made sure Gomez would be hamstrung for quite some time, 'just in case'