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Title: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: roscoe on November 23, 2018, 07:54:01 PM
It's time this subject have a Topic of its own.

I have found no evidence from any Catholic authority for the existence of any person known as a 'racist' or any philosophy known as 'racism'...

From what i can tell. no one has ever been executed for being a 'racist' nor has anyone been beatified or canonised for possessing this alleged trait. Nor is there evidence of anyone being condemned or canonised for adhering to a philosophy of 'racism'.

No Pope has spoken of these things that I can find  & can only conclude that these two alleged phenomena do not exist according to Roman Catholic Law.... :cheers:
Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: poche on November 23, 2018, 11:01:00 PM
From Pope Pius XI;

8. Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community - however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things - whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds.

http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html
Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: BTNYC on November 24, 2018, 02:12:27 AM
From Pope Pius XI;

8. Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community - however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things - whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds.

http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html (http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html)

Oh, look. Poche posted this passage from Mit Brennender Sorge again. That's always a good time to change the batteries on your smoke alarm.

Nice to know Cathinfo's resident Conciliar shill is as tireless as ever he was in towing the Novus Ordo line.

Poche always resorts to this quotation as if it somehow grants papal recognition of the invented secular "sin" of "racism." However, he seems to be too thick to appreciate - or too dishonest to admit - that the passage is actually saying that "race" is a "fundamental value of the human community" that likewise has a "necessary and honorable... function in worldly things."

Sorry, Poche, but that flies directly in the face of the canonical narrative of the (((secular counter-magisterium))) which, in its beneficence, identified and defined the Great Evil of "Racism" to us citizens of what the late John McCain lovingly called "the Post World War II Order." As any public school educated child can tell you, race is merely a "social construct" with no basis in reality! To suggest otherwise, let alone to state that this "social construct" is, in reality, a "fundamental value of the human community" with a "necessary and honorable... function in worldly things," is, by every current understanding of the word - RACIST.

But, for the moment, let's ignore that pesky elephant squatting in the midst of our little virtual tearoom and look at the proscriptive portion of the text which Poche holds so near and dear to his bleeding heart:

"Whoever exalts... any... fundamental value of the human community... above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God."

Well, who could argue with that? Elevating something - anything - above its standard value to an idolatrous level is wrong. Pick literally any earthly good, and the same applies. Whoever exalts the family above its standard value to an idolatrous level is just as wrong, and just as "far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds," no? Does it then follow that a man who loves his family and protects his family from all harm and advocates on his family's behalf is guilty of "elevating the family to an idolatrous level," or that he's guilty of some invented Marxist evil known as "Familyism?" I need hardly say it, but, of course not; no more so than loving one's race, wishing to defend one's race from harm, or advocating on one's race's behalf is an "idolatrous elevation," or proof of the existence of the invented Marxist sin of "Racism."

Mit Brennender Sorge is purportedly directed against the National Socialist government of 1930s Germany. I say "purportedly" because the docuмent itself doesn't explicitly say so. Its intended target must be inferred by the fact that it was written and published in German, rather than Latin, in a move that is, dare I say, decidedly more passive-aggressive than we are accustomed to seeing in the pre-conciliar Church. It should be no surprise, then, that the (pretty universally acknowledged) ghostwriter of the encyclical was Cardinal Pacelli, he who would very shortly place Bugnini and Montini into position for their roles in the Vatican II revolution. Indeed, the "Whoever exalts race" passage from the encyclical reminds me of nothing so much as the infamous "Every sign of unjust discrimination in their (sodomites) regard should be avoided" from the conciliar catechism, in that both are handy tips of the hat to the "morals" and mores of the secular world, while couched in statements that are still technically orthodox (albeit in the most "no duh" sense imaginable - No elevating things to idolatrous levels; no treating people unjustly - okay, great; got it. Thanks.).

But, considering the glaring fact that Catholics in good standing have been permitted to own negro slaves, hold a belief in the "Curse of Ham," and issue legislation forbidding miscegenation, all without, we can safely presume, having ever "elevated race to an idolatrous level," and likewise considering that the Catholic princes and popes who, throughout the centuries, condemned sodomites to prison and death, presumably were not acting in an unjust manner, we can say, with no fear of presumption or rashness, that anyone attempting to use Mit Brennender Sorge as "proof" of the reality of "the evil of racism," might just as well dredge up the conciliar catechism too as "proof" of the reality of "the evil of homophobia."

But back to the uncredited author of MBS. In his 1941 Allocution to the Roman Patriciate and Nobility, Pope Pius XII annunciated some common sense truths that any 21st Century "Anti-Racist" worth his salt (the ever salient Poche no less than anyone else) would have to decry as, gulp, r-r-racist!

The nature of this great and mysterious thing that is heredity - the passing on through a bloodline, perpetuated from generation to generation, of a rich ensemble of material and spiritual assets, the continuity of a single physical and moral type from father to son, the tradition that unites members of one same family across the centuries - the true nature of this heredity can undoubtedly be distorted by materialistic theories. But one can, and must also, consider this reality enormously important in the fullness of its human and supernatural truth.

One certainly cannot deny the existence of a material substratum in the transmission of hereditary characteristics; to be surprised at this one would have to forget the intimate union of our soul with our body, and in what great measure our most spiritual activities are themselves dependent upon our physical temperament. For this reason Christian morality never forgets to remind parents of the great responsibilities resting on their shoulders in this regard.

Yet of greater import still is spiritual heredity, which is transmitted not so much through these mysterious bonds of material generation as by the permanent action of that privileged environment that is the family, with the slow and profound formation of souls in the atmosphere of a hearth rich in high intellectual, moral, and especially Christian traditions, with the mutual influence of those dwelling under the same roof, an influence whose beneficial effects endure well beyond the years of childhood and youth, all the way to the end of a long life, in those elect souls who are able to meld within themselves the treasures of a precious heredity with the addition of their own merits and experiences.

Such is the most prized patrimony of all, which, illuminated by a solid faith and enlivened by a strong and loyal practice of Christian life in all its demands, will raise, refine, and enrich the souls of your children.


This reads - to me, anyway - like a succinct summation of the Catholic position against miscegenation, for, if "our most spiritual activities" are, "in... great measure," "dependent upon our physical temperament," it behooves us that much more to ensure that, as much as possible, we maintain "the continuity of a single physical and moral type from father to son, the tradition that unites members of one same family across the centuries." 

Again, this was once merely common sense. Today, it is "racism." If common sense is "racist," then I must raise my voice in union with Steve Bannon's: Let them call us "racist." Let us wear it as a badge of honor.
Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: JezusDeKoning on November 24, 2018, 10:53:10 AM
From Pope Pius XI;

8. Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community - however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things - whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds.

http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge.html
If I had a dollar for every time I saw this, everyone on this forum would have their mortgage paid off.
Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: BTNYC on November 24, 2018, 11:45:30 AM
If I had a dollar for every time I saw this, everyone on this forum would have their mortgage paid off.

Poche has it set up as a custom "hotkey" shortcut on his keyboard: Ctrl+M+B+S.
Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: Quid Retribuam Domino on November 24, 2018, 01:11:58 PM
Poche ignores the fact that Jєωs and Zionists exalt themselves and the rogue state of "Israel" (the Church is the true Israel) over all other people and nations of the world.

No people, nor any nation-state, is more applicable to Pope Pius XI's aforementioned encyclical than Jєωs and "Israel".
Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: BTNYC on November 24, 2018, 03:25:11 PM
Poche ignores the fact that Jєωs and Zionists exalt themselves and the rogue state of "Israel" (the Church is the true Israel) over all other people and nations of the world.

No people, nor any nation-state, is more applicable to Pope Pius XI's aforementioned encyclical than Jєωs and "Israel".

Exactly so. I meant to touch on that point. Thanks very much for posting it.

The Jєωs, sons of their father The Accuser, are masters of projection. They leech Christendom dry through centuries of usury, then have the temerity to come up with a system like Marxism / communism which decries "economic injustice." They cook up the nefarious "Samson Option," then bleat endlessly about their fears of annihilation. They ram the "pedophile priest" trope into our psyches through constant repetition in their media, whilst ignoring the rampant pederasty among their rabbis, who have codified justification for their perversion in their тαℓмυd. They push feminist narratives about "rape culture" after creating that culture through pornography.

And, as you rightly state, they create the secular sin of "racism," whilst actually adhering to a belief that their race is intrinsically more valuable than the "goyim" whom they contemptuously regard as chattel whose sole reason for existing is to serve the Jєωs. The Jєωs, if any group does, meet the criteria of "exalting race and a particular form of state to an idolatrous level."
Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: poche on November 24, 2018, 11:01:48 PM
Oh, look. Poche posted this passage from Mit Brennender Sorge again. That's always a good time to change the batteries on your smoke alarm.

Nice to know Cathinfo's resident Conciliar shill is as tireless as ever he was in towing the Novus Ordo line.

Poche always resorts to this quotation as if it somehow grants papal recognition of the invented secular "sin" of "racism." However, he seems to be too thick to appreciate - or too dishonest to admit - that the passage is actually saying that "race" is a "fundamental value of the human community" that likewise has a "necessary and honorable... function in worldly things."

Sorry, Poche, but that flies directly in the face of the canonical narrative of the (((secular counter-magisterium))) which, in its beneficence, identified and defined the Great Evil of "Racism" to us citizens of what the late John McCain lovingly called "the Post World War II Order." As any public school educated child can tell you, race is merely a "social construct" with no basis in reality! To suggest otherwise, let alone to state that this "social construct" is, in reality, a "fundamental value of the human community" with a "necessary and honorable... function in worldly things," is, by every current understanding of the word - RACIST.

But, for the moment, let's ignore that pesky elephant squatting in the midst of our little virtual tearoom and look at the proscriptive portion of the text which Poche holds so near and dear to his bleeding heart:

"Whoever exalts... any... fundamental value of the human community... above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God."

Well, who could argue with that? Elevating something - anything - above its standard value to an idolatrous level is wrong. Pick literally any earthly good, and the same applies. Whoever exalts the family above its standard value to an idolatrous level is just as wrong, and just as "far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds," no? Does it then follow that a man who loves his family and protects his family from all harm and advocates on his family's behalf is guilty of "elevating the family to an idolatrous level," or that he's guilty of some invented Marxist evil known as "Familyism?" I need hardly say it, but, of course not; no more so than loving one's race, wishing to defend one's race from harm, or advocating on one's race's behalf is an "idolatrous elevation," or proof of the existence of the invented Marxist sin of "Racism."

Mit Brennender Sorge is purportedly directed against the National Socialist government of 1930s Germany. I say "purportedly" because the docuмent itself doesn't explicitly say so. Its intended target must be inferred by the fact that it was written and published in German, rather than Latin, in a move that is, dare I say, decidedly more passive-aggressive than we are accustomed to seeing in the pre-conciliar Church. It should be no surprise, then, that the (pretty universally acknowledged) ghostwriter of the encyclical was Cardinal Pacelli, he who would very shortly place Bugnini and Montini into position for their roles in the Vatican II revolution. Indeed, the "Whoever exalts race" passage from the encyclical reminds me of nothing so much as the infamous "Every sign of unjust discrimination in their (sodomites) regard should be avoided" from the conciliar catechism, in that both are handy tips of the hat to the "morals" and mores of the secular world, while couched in statements that are still technically orthodox (albeit in the most "no duh" sense imaginable - No elevating things to idolatrous levels; no treating people unjustly - okay, great; got it. Thanks.).

But, considering the glaring fact that Catholics in good standing have been permitted to own negro slaves, hold a belief in the "Curse of Ham," and issue legislation forbidding miscegenation, all without, we can safely presume, having ever "elevated race to an idolatrous level," and likewise considering that the Catholic princes and popes who, throughout the centuries, condemned sodomites to prison and death, presumably were not acting in an unjust manner, we can say, with no fear of presumption or rashness, that anyone attempting to use Mit Brennender Sorge as "proof" of the reality of "the evil of racism," might just as well dredge up the conciliar catechism too as "proof" of the reality of "the evil of homophobia."

But back to the uncredited author of MBS. In his 1941 Allocution to the Roman Patriciate and Nobility, Pope Pius XII annunciated some common sense truths that any 21st Century "Anti-Racist" worth his salt (the ever salient Poche no less than anyone else) would have to decry as, gulp, r-r-racist!

The nature of this great and mysterious thing that is heredity - the passing on through a bloodline, perpetuated from generation to generation, of a rich ensemble of material and spiritual assets, the continuity of a single physical and moral type from father to son, the tradition that unites members of one same family across the centuries - the true nature of this heredity can undoubtedly be distorted by materialistic theories. But one can, and must also, consider this reality enormously important in the fullness of its human and supernatural truth.

One certainly cannot deny the existence of a material substratum in the transmission of hereditary characteristics; to be surprised at this one would have to forget the intimate union of our soul with our body, and in what great measure our most spiritual activities are themselves dependent upon our physical temperament. For this reason Christian morality never forgets to remind parents of the great responsibilities resting on their shoulders in this regard.

Yet of greater import still is spiritual heredity, which is transmitted not so much through these mysterious bonds of material generation as by the permanent action of that privileged environment that is the family, with the slow and profound formation of souls in the atmosphere of a hearth rich in high intellectual, moral, and especially Christian traditions, with the mutual influence of those dwelling under the same roof, an influence whose beneficial effects endure well beyond the years of childhood and youth, all the way to the end of a long life, in those elect souls who are able to meld within themselves the treasures of a precious heredity with the addition of their own merits and experiences.

Such is the most prized patrimony of all, which, illuminated by a solid faith and enlivened by a strong and loyal practice of Christian life in all its demands, will raise, refine, and enrich the souls of your children.


This reads - to me, anyway - like a succinct summation of the Catholic position against miscegenation, for, if "our most spiritual activities" are, "in... great measure," "dependent upon our physical temperament," it behooves us that much more to ensure that, as much as possible, we maintain "the continuity of a single physical and moral type from father to son, the tradition that unites members of one same family across the centuries."

Again, this was once merely common sense. Today, it is "racism." If common sense is "racist," then I must raise my voice in union with Steve Bannon's: Let them call us "racist." Let us wear it as a badge of honor.
I don't think that sinning against charity merits a badge of honor, unless you want to be honored in Hell with Satan and his angels. 
Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: poche on November 24, 2018, 11:03:43 PM
If I had a dollar for every time I saw this, everyone on this forum would have their mortgage paid off.
Mit Brennender Sorge is not a Vatican II docuмent. Pope Pius XI died more than 20 years before Vatican II was convoked.
Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: poche on November 24, 2018, 11:04:16 PM
Poche ignores the fact that Jєωs and Zionists exalt themselves and the rogue state of "Israel" (the Church is the true Israel) over all other people and nations of the world.

No people, nor any nation-state, is more applicable to Pope Pius XI's aforementioned encyclical than Jєωs and "Israel".
The Law of God applies to everybody.
Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: JezusDeKoning on November 24, 2018, 11:18:17 PM
Mit Brennender Sorge is not a Vatican II docuмent. Pope Pius XI died more than 20 years before Vatican II was convoked.
Breaking news:

Water is wet, the sky is blue and Queen Victoria is dead.
Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: BTNYC on November 25, 2018, 08:47:13 AM
I don't think that sinning against charity merits a badge of honor, unless you want to be honored in Hell with Satan and his angels.

So if the secular world labels us "racist," we're guilty of sinning against charity?

Since when does the "morality" of the secular world have any bearing whatsoever on Catholics, Poche? Is "homophobia" also a "Sin against charity?"

"Honored in Hell with Satan and his angels." This from the guy who counts every recently deceased person - protestant, notorious public sinner, heathen, whatever - among "the faithful departed." Now, when someone dares to call it an honor when we're smeared with a secular scarlet letter for the crime of having transgressed a moral law imposed upon us by ZOG, he suddenly starts throwing fire and brimstone around.

Don't ever be fooled by Poche's feigned meekness and showy false piety. He is a fundamentally dishonest, fork-tongued shill for the enemies of Christ.

Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: BTNYC on November 25, 2018, 08:50:00 AM
Mit Brennender Sorge is not a Vatican II docuмent. Pope Pius XI died more than 20 years before Vatican II was convoked.

That addresses exactly zero points raised in this thread. Try again.
Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: BTNYC on November 25, 2018, 08:53:23 AM
The Law of God applies to everybody.

Stop burning down strawmen and start addressing the content of our arguments.
Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: JezusDeKoning on November 25, 2018, 03:53:26 PM
I don't think that sinning against charity merits a badge of honor, unless you want to be honored in Hell with Satan and his angels.
It will be a wondrous day when you stop being a SPLC shabbos goy and adopt Catholic truth. It is not a sin to talk truthfully about certain races. Not at all.

Look at Haiti, which expelled the White Christian to attempt a nation by themselves, and my own native Dominican Republic, which accepted them.

One of them is a pile of dung with zero infrastructure, a new head sambo every 35 seconds, rampant looting, infant mortality rates through the roof and people worshiping the Devil.

One of them is a thriving, prosperous country with functioning government and a God-fearing people.

Guess which one it is.
Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: poche on November 25, 2018, 11:15:00 PM
So if the secular world labels us "racist," we're guilty of sinning against charity?

Since when does the "morality" of the secular world have any bearing whatsoever on Catholics, Poche? Is "homophobia" also a "Sin against charity?"

"Honored in Hell with Satan and his angels." This from the guy who counts every recently deceased person - protestant, notorious public sinner, heathen, whatever - among "the faithful departed." Now, when someone dares to call it an honor when we're smeared with a secular scarlet letter for the crime of having transgressed a moral law imposed upon us by ZOG, he suddenly starts throwing fire and brimstone around.

Don't ever be fooled by Poche's feigned meekness and showy false piety. He is a fundamentally dishonest, fork-tongued shill for the enemies of Christ.
While it is true that I pray for all of those of whose departure we learn. That is because we do not know the final disposition of their souls before God. Unless we have a special revelation then we do not know. So I pray for them as I would like others to pray for me when I die. However if we live in mortal sin, there is that danger of going to Hell. If we sin against charity we sin against God.
How can you say I love God while hating your brother?
Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: poche on November 25, 2018, 11:21:16 PM
So if the secular world labels us "racist," we're guilty of sinning against charity?

Since when does the "morality" of the secular world have any bearing whatsoever on Catholics, Poche? Is "homophobia" also a "Sin against charity?"

"Honored in Hell with Satan and his angels." This from the guy who counts every recently deceased person - protestant, notorious public sinner, heathen, whatever - among "the faithful departed." Now, when someone dares to call it an honor when we're smeared with a secular scarlet letter for the crime of having transgressed a moral law imposed upon us by ZOG, he suddenly starts throwing fire and brimstone around.

Don't ever be fooled by Poche's feigned meekness and showy false piety. He is a fundamentally dishonest, fork-tongued shill for the enemies of Christ.
It is not how the world rates us that matters. It is how God rates us. 
Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: poche on November 26, 2018, 12:12:48 AM
Like St. Therese of Lisieux, St. John Berchmans was not noted for anything extraordinary. He made kindness and courtesy as well as constant fidelity an important part of his holiness. The path to holiness lies in the ordinary rather than the extraordinary. That is a lesson that some learn only late in life. Read more about St. John Berchmans' (http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Saints/Saints_015.htm) life and spirituality.

https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/liturgicalyear/calendar/day.cfm?date=2018-11-26

If we live as St John Berchmans and maybe one day we will join him in Heaven.
Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: BTNYC on November 26, 2018, 12:14:58 AM
It is not how the world rates us that matters. It is how God rates us.

Well, there you have it, friends. Which is it? Is Poche an imbecile; incapable of following the logical course of a thread he himself is participating in, or is he an intellectually dishonest rhetorician hiding behind false piety and folksy simplicity?

Poche, in the name of Christian Charity, which you believe this subject touches upon, please tell us which, if any, of the following constitutes "racism:"

Desiring to live and work among members of one's own race and not among members of others.

Affirming that there are inherent differences of average intelligence among the races.

Support for state legislated prohibitions of miscegenation.

Belief in the "Curse of Ham" and that sub-Saharan Africans are the subjects of that curse.

Holding personal prejudices that compel us to act in a certain way with members of another race, based on personal experience with other members of that race and / or knowledge of statistics about that race (e.g. crossing the street when approached by a group of negro youths).

Now, clearly, the world rates all of the above as "racist." How ought a Catholic rate it?

Please do not simply post the same passage from Mit Brennender Sorge again.
Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: BTNYC on November 26, 2018, 12:26:59 AM
While it is true that I pray for all of those of whose departure we learn. That is because we do not know the final disposition of their souls before God. Unless we have a special revelation then we do not know. So I pray for them as I would like others to pray for me when I die. However if we live in mortal sin, there is that danger of going to Hell. If we sin against charity we sin against God.
How can you say I love God while hating your brother?


 
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Pope St. Gregory the Great, Moralia, Book 34: “There is, therefore, the same reason for not praying then for men condemned to eternal fire, as there is now for not praying for the devil and his angels who have been consigned to eternal punishment.  And this is now the reason for holy men not praying for unbelieving and ungodly men who are dead; for they are unwilling that the merit of their prayer should be set aside, in that presence of the righteous Judge, in behalf of those whom they know to be already consigned to eternal punishment.”
St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, Suppl. Q. 71, A. 5. “Gregory says (Moralia xxxiv): There is the same reason for not praying then (namely after the judgment day) for men condemned to everlasting fire, as there is now for not praying for the devil and his angels who are sentenced to eternal punishment, and for this reason the saints do not pray for dead unbelieving and wicked men, because, forsooth, knowing them to be already condemned to eternal punishment, they shrink from pleading for them by the merit of their prayers…”

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St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, Suppl. Q. 71, A. 5: “Further, the text (iv. Sent. D. 45) quotes the words of Augustine (De Verb. Apost. Serm. xxxii): ‘If a man depart this life without the faith that works by charity and its sacraments, in vain do his friends have recourse to such acts of kindness [prayers and suffrages for him].’  Now all the damned come under that head.  Therefore suffrages profit them not.”


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Pope St. Gregory II (circa A.D. 731): “You ask for advice on the lawfulness of making offerings for the dead.  The teaching of the Church is this – that every man should make offerings for those who died as true Christians [Catholics]… But he is not allowed to do so for those who die in a state of sin even if they were Christians.”


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St. Francis Xavier, Nov. 5, 1549: “The corsair who commanded our vessel died here at Cagoxima.  He did his work for us, on the whole, as we wished… He himself chose to die in his own superstitions; he did not even leave us the power of rewarding him by that kindness which we can after death do to other friends who die in the profession of the Christian faith, in commending their souls to God, since the poor fellow by his own hand cast his soul into hell, where there is no redemption.”
Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: JezusDeKoning on November 26, 2018, 12:41:01 AM
Do not expect Poche to come up with any sort of logical response.

He has the intellectual capacity of a bag of hair and does not actually take time to respond with a rebuttal worth anyone's time. 

Rehashing the same bloody quote from Mit Brennender Sorge is not a rebuttal, but Poche doesn't care. Our SPLC shabbos goy, using the same verbiage as the fαɢs calling Catholics "a hate group", doesn't care. 

The SPLC would probably call any organization that believes in Hell, period, a "hate group", even though that is where they'd all go.
Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: poche on November 26, 2018, 08:51:00 AM
 
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Pope St. Gregory the Great, Moralia, Book 34: “There is, therefore, the same reason for not praying then for men condemned to eternal fire, as there is now for not praying for the devil and his angels who have been consigned to eternal punishment.  And this is now the reason for holy men not praying for unbelieving and ungodly men who are dead; for they are unwilling that the merit of their prayer should be set aside, in that presence of the righteous Judge, in behalf of those whom they know to be already consigned to eternal punishment.”
St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, Suppl. Q. 71, A. 5. “Gregory says (Moralia xxxiv): There is the same reason for not praying then (namely after the judgment day) for men condemned to everlasting fire, as there is now for not praying for the devil and his angels who are sentenced to eternal punishment, and for this reason the saints do not pray for dead unbelieving and wicked men, because, forsooth, knowing them to be already condemned to eternal punishment, they shrink from pleading for them by the merit of their prayers…”
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But who are those who are among the condemned and who are those who are saved but in Purgatory. Without a revelation from God you cannot know. Pope St Gregory the Great himself had 30 days mass said for a deceased person who had been excommunicated. 
Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: Degrelle on November 27, 2018, 12:32:01 PM
Hello all, after a long hiatus I thought I'd poke my head back in here and this seems a decent thread as any ...

In my view the modern concept of "racism" is essentially meaningless. That epithet is thrown around so much that basically all it means is "someone who disagrees with socialists".

The Pope Pius XI quote from Mit Brennender Sorge seems to be saying no more than that no ideology should be elevated above the faith, even if it is good. In terms of "race" it seems to be saying no more than what we are always commanded to do, "love thy neighbour". Loving thy neighbour certainly does not preclude observing objectively knowable facts and differences, or historical realities, or what have you.

If "racism" even exists, the only way I see the Church condemning it would be if one had an irrational hatred of any one solely on account of the colour of his skin. Does this even need a special term? I don't think so ... because hating anyone is already a sin.
Title: Re: RACIST? RACISM?
Post by: LaramieHirsch on November 27, 2018, 01:58:52 PM


White people + Talking about race = racists

or also...


White people = racists