Edit: This is a mature discussion, of a philosophical nature. If the topic of "race" is very personal or emotional for you, for whatever reason, you might want to avail yourself of the thousands of other topic threads here on CathInfo. The point of this thread is not to be offensive.

If serious Catholics can't discuss a topic like this, then we all have a lot of growing up to do!

God bless.


We got a Lands End catalog today, with a prominent picture of ONE couple on the front cover:

An attractive blond woman, and a black man.

My thoughts: Wouldn't plenty of white men be attracted to her? Let's face it, she couldn't be extra-comfortable around a man who A) looks like that and B) has that culture/upbringing and C) that personality unless she were raised Baptist, or had black foster parents.

But here's the main point:  if they were both parishioners at a traditional Catholic Chapel then there's not much of a problem (though there might still be human problems, regarding temperament, family relations and such)

But considering the FACT that people tend to prefer their own kind, those who have something in common with themselves -- wouldn't it be safe to say that this couple would be the exception rather than the rule?

And if they're the exception, why place pictures of such couples on the front covers of magazines, more often than not? What are They trying to accomplish by doing so? Are They trying to encourage a certain behavior?

I suspect that the men who run the media (for They are a cohesive group, if you didn't know that) have some master plan in mind. In fact, I think that plan involves eroding barriers between the nations in order to weaken us -- and bring us all closer to a One World Government, which they will control.

Just knowing who runs the media is helpful here -- I know they're the enemies of God and man, so what they want (in this case, breeding out all races until we all look the same) MUST necessarily be bad for us. Your enemy seldom wants what is best for you.

Then I look at God, who puts wonderful diversity into all of His creation (there are HOW many species of butterflies?) -- and I see that He tends to desire the opposite. He wants ALL nations to join his Church, as different divisions of the same holy army, to love and serve Him -- not for all men to become one nation and then serve Him.

Even during the time of the Holy Roman Empire, the nations were distinct under the Emperor. Everyone had their identity, as well as their more important identity as a Christian (Catholic) which allowed for harmony between them.

Why? Well, primarily because they are attempting to sell things.

Also, perhaps they wish to make the perfectly Catholic point that our race is human.

Matthew,

This post is a perfect example of the racist idiocy that is becoming increasingly common on this board.  It is not Catholic, and it fails to meet even natural human standards of decency.

Sigismund, I don't ban people for disagreeing with me.

Regarding the matter under discussion --

If They just "happened" to promote a mixed-race couple once in awhile (say, a % of the time that matches the statistics of how often it actually happens in real life) I wouldn't care.

But they are always making something look normal far before it actually becomes normal. For example, in the 1940's you had divorces left and right -- in the movies. Out in the real world, it was a shameful move that was thankfully rare. But after enough time passed with people watching these movies, and attitudes toward marriage changed until the REALITY of divorce matched the Hollywood fantasy.

(I wasn't around then, but my great-uncle was. He is the one who taught me this. He is a very wise man, who started a traditional Catholic book business in 1967 that soon became the largest and most famous traditional Catholic publisher in the world.)

But the point is that Hollywood starts by portraying things as normal -- hoping that reality will catch up. It's social engineering, plain and simple. And they're not doing it in the name of Christ, or for our benefit.


I understand you are personally invested in this issue, so I understand your reaction. I also realize that not everyone can be objective in a situation like this.

If there's one thing I've learned in life, it's that most people are NOT able to step outside themselves and be objective.

Also, perhaps they wish to make the perfectly Catholic point that our race is human.

What race are u referring to?

I live in LA and very rarely see B/W mixed couples.

Indeed I was.  Thank you.

Roscoe is the only person on this board I have on ignore, so I would never have seen this otherwise.  

Matthew, I appreciate not being banned.  I should have known better, as you have made it clear in the past that you don't ban people for disagreeing with you.

Both you and CathMom seem distressed that the media portrays interracial marriage as normal.  What about it is not normal?  One human being is marrying another.  It is not usual in that most people marry someone of the same race, but I think a great deal more than this is meant by normal in this case.  Marriages of mixed religion are a Catholic issue.  Marriages of mixed race or ethnicity just aren't.

And Matthew, you are quite right that this is personal.  Comments like this are really about me, my wife, my children, and my grand children.  I have no interest in even pretending that this is not the case.  

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While I can’t say for certain, I’d assume Sigismund was referring to the Adomite race from which all men descend. We need to realize that “race mixing” isn’t in itself a problem; but that different ethnicities have different cultures, and to dilute the blood of your race ultimately leads to mixing – herein read “destroying”- your culture and identity.

I guess that depends on how much of your identify is wrapped up in race.  Very little of mine is.  I think the world would be a much better place if so much "race-mixing" occurred that the entire concept of race was consigned to the dustbin of history.

I think his point was that identity is derived in part from your culture and that race and culture are connected in that you cannot mix race indefinitely without destroying culture. So, the better question would be how much of your identity is wrapped up in culture, right?

Quote from: Canuk the Lionheart

Quote from: roscoe

Quote from: Sigismund

Also, perhaps they wish to make the perfectly Catholic point that our race is human.

What race are u referring to?

While I can’t say for certain, I’d assume Sigismund was referring to the Adomite race from which all men descend. We need to realize that “race mixing” isn’t in itself a problem; but that different ethnicities have different cultures, and to dilute the blood of your race ultimately leads to mixing – herein read “destroying”- your culture and identity.

I guess that depends on how much of your identify is wrapped up in race.  Very little of mine is.  I think the world would be a much better place if so much "race-mixing" occurred that the entire concept of race was consigned to the dustbin of history.

Sigismund, you seem to have a problem with the way God created and guided the world thus far.

So God's plan, His creation, His providence, belongs in the dustbin?


For your soul's sake, just listen to yourself, man! You're rooting for the destruction of what GOD created, and rooting for God's enemies' plans to prevail!

Your desire expressed here aligns perfectly with the Jєωs and their various appendages (Illuminati, Freemasons, Communists) who wish to destroy all that is of God's design ("dissolve" = tear down) and replace it with equivalents of man's design ("coagula" = rebuild, put together). In short, to destroy the world God created and replace it with a "better" world of man's design, with man in charge (God forgive me for even saying something so foolish with sarcasm or to make a point!)

God's design: many nations, united under one Church
Jєωs' plan: one nation, united under Jєωιѕн authority, and ultimately under the Antichrist.

God's design: one man and one woman, married in the Church = marriage for life
Jєωs' plan: destroy marriage and the family, reduce it to civil union for selfish purposes only; make it temporary in nature

And so on. I could list dozens of others.

I'd be concerned if my desires/beliefs aligned AT ALL with the warmest desires of God's enemies.

I agree with Matthew, it is noone's place to tell someone who they can marry(assuming both are Catholic, one man and one woman{isn't it sad I felt the need to qualify that}) If a black man wants to marry a white woman that is their issue, I would not tell them they could or couldn't.. however... cultural or ethnic mixing should not be promoted as if it were the norm wherein it is the exception.