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Offline Ambroseii

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Q&A protestant Accusations.
« on: December 28, 2023, 09:32:56 PM »
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  •  Hello All.. 

    As a Catholic  I need to know ready answers to usual protestant tripe that they trot out and accuse the Catholic Church  in areas of wrongness in their dim views. 

    An accusation I often get from protestant  family and friends is,,,' Call no one on earth Father..  so how should  I go about responding to this? 

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    Re: Q&A protestant Accusations.
    « Reply #1 on: December 28, 2023, 09:41:49 PM »
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  • 14 I write not these things to confound you; but I admonish you as my dearest children. 15 For if you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet not many fathers. For in Christ Jesus, by the gospel, I have begotten you. 
    1Corinthians 4:14-15

    Apparently St. Paul was Catholic.

    Maybe you could ask them if they think St. Paul needs to go to Confession. :cowboy:



    I've also pointed out that everyone, including protestants, address their earthly father using some equivalent term; in the US it's usually "dad".

    dad (n.)

    "a father, papa," recorded from c. 1500, but probably much older, from child's speech, nearly universal and probably prehistoric (compare Welsh tad, Irish daid, Lithuanian tėtė, Sanskrit tatah, Czech tata, Latin tata "father," Greek tata, used by youths to their elders).

    If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago


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    Re: Q&A protestant Accusations.
    « Reply #2 on: December 28, 2023, 10:19:44 PM »
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  • These typically have a lot of info and refutations of Prot "arguments" and even some I'd never even heard of until reading them.  I'd give the section "The Failure of Protestantism" a good read. 

    https://www.radioreplies.info/radio-replies-vol-1.php?t=26

    For that question in the OP.  What it's actually saying is "call no man God" and its use of Father is referring to the title that was used for God in that context.  That's what its actually talking about.  Not calling your dad, father , or a Priest father.  

    They are hypocrites on many things they accuse Catholics of.  If they bring up the "you have idolzzzzzzzzzzz" tripe just ask them if they have pictures of their family, kids, friends, etc.  You know that 99.99% of them do and then you can ask tell them "hey it says not to make a graven image, what are you doing, etc."  They'll usually shut down but some are a little more tenacious and will say something to the effect "well at least we don't bow to and worship them" to which you could respond that we do not worship them but the bowing is a reverance and a veneration to the person depicted and you can point out if they've ever bowed to an audience, clapped for somebody that did something, or waved your hands in the air at a sport event or something to that effect that they are actually doing more of an "idolatry" than you are because they are venerating sinful people still alive on earth while your veneration is to those in Heaven.  For the record...clapping for someone at a sporting event is not idolatry, not saying it is, just using that as an example that if they bring up the veneration of images thing that you could retort with something to that effect. 


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    Re: Q&A protestant Accusations.
    « Reply #3 on: December 28, 2023, 11:35:25 PM »
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  • These typically have a lot of info and refutations of Prot "arguments" and even some I'd never even heard of until reading them.  I'd give the section "The Failure of Protestantism" a good read. 

    https://www.radioreplies.info/radio-replies-vol-1.php?t=26

    For that question in the OP.  What it's actually saying is "call no man God" and its use of Father is referring to the title that was used for God in that context.  That's what its actually talking about.  Not calling your dad, father , or a Priest father. 

    They are hypocrites on many things they accuse Catholics of.  If they bring up the "you have idolzzzzzzzzzzz" tripe just ask them if they have pictures of their family, kids, friends, etc.  You know that 99.99% of them do and then you can ask tell them "hey it says not to make a graven image, what are you doing, etc."  They'll usually shut down but some are a little more tenacious and will say something to the effect "well at least we don't bow to and worship them" to which you could respond that we do not worship them but the bowing is a reverance and a veneration to the person depicted and you can point out if they've ever bowed to an audience, clapped for somebody that did something, or waved your hands in the air at a sport event or something to that effect that they are actually doing more of an "idolatry" than you are because they are venerating sinful people still alive on earth while your veneration is to those in Heaven.  For the record...clapping for someone at a sporting event is not idolatry, not saying it is, just using that as an example that if they bring up the veneration of images thing that you could retort with something to that effect.




    Thank you for that Link to radio replies, its a terrific site and extremely helpful.. 

    …. and yes I have had many disparaging remarks about idolatry..  Which I do try to explain .    but it all seems to fall on deaf ears.


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    Re: Q&A protestant Accusations.
    « Reply #4 on: December 28, 2023, 11:36:42 PM »
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  • 14 I write not these things to confound you; but I admonish you as my dearest children. 15 For if you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet not many fathers. For in Christ Jesus, by the gospel, I have begotten you.
    1Corinthians 4:14-15

    Apparently St. Paul was Catholic.

    Maybe you could ask them if they think St. Paul needs to go to Confession. :cowboy:



    I've also pointed out that everyone, including protestants, address their earthly father using some equivalent term; in the US it's usually "dad".

    dad (n.)

    "a father, papa," recorded from c. 1500, but probably much older, from child's speech, nearly universal and probably prehistoric (compare Welsh tad, Irish daid, Lithuanian tėtė, Sanskrit tatah, Czech tata, Latin tata "father," Greek tata, used by youths to their elders).
     Thank you for your very helpful replies, Emile.