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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: MariasAnawim on March 18, 2022, 09:11:42 AM
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Hello I have recently had an experience with someone who we now believe is a psychopath...here is a link to a description of what a psychopath is in case you don't know
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-a-psychopath-5025217#toc-signs-of-a-psychopath
So she has been trying to become a Catholic but it has not worked for certain reasons
Do we have a duty to tell the priest what we have discovered? I don't know how the church deals with this type of situation.
She also believes she does not need indulgences nor will she be going to purgatory...are these denying articles of the faith? And she believes if she becomes a Catholic and recieved the last rites she will go straight to heaven...which is presumption correct?
We no longer associate with her because of obvious reasons as well as veiled threats she made against our family.
But I am concerned over her becoming a catholic with these issues.
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Where did you meet her? I am dealing with a nutter now. Maybe she is lonely but I don’t need a mom or anyone. She is talking how she wants to hook up and be part of a tribe. She watches too many prepper videos. She reminds me of a former young friend who was psychotic because if she senses if I’m annoyed, she will mention Catholicism.
I think you are going to see more and more psychopaths. You, your husband and children are good people. They prey on people like us.
I don’t know what to say about your nutter becoming a Catholic. It could help her to deal with her mental problems.
You are doing the right thing. Avoid her and pray for her.
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My husband met her last year because she needed some help with her RV and no one could help her get it fixed...I do pray for her And really hope she can repent because it is definitely demonic...I am not sure though if it is a mortal sin because it is tied to mental/emotional issues.
Also something we pinpointed was each person we know who has psychopathic tendencies had some issues within their childhood linked to their parents.
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Hello I have recently had an experience with someone who we now believe is a psychopath...here is a link to a description of what a psychopath is in case you don't know
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-a-psychopath-5025217#toc-signs-of-a-psychopath
So she has been trying to become a Catholic but it has not worked for certain reasons
Do we have a duty to tell the priest what we have discovered? I don't know how the church deals with this type of situation.
She also believes she does not need indulgences nor will she be going to purgatory...are these denying articles of the faith? And she believes if she becomes a Catholic and recieved the last rites she will go straight to heaven...which is presumption correct?
We no longer associate with her because of obvious reasons as well as veiled threats she made against our family.
But I am concerned over her becoming a catholic with these issues.
Prots do not believe in purgatory nor that they need indulgences, and a Catholic who receives the Last Rites *can* bypass purgatory and go straight to heaven *if* they receive them with the proper disposition, but obviously we cannot know this will happen for certain.
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Hello I have recently had an experience with someone who we now believe is a psychopath...here is a link to a description of what a psychopath is in case you don't know
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-a-psychopath-5025217#toc-signs-of-a-psychopath
So she has been trying to become a Catholic but it has not worked for certain reasons
Do we have a duty to tell the priest what we have discovered? I don't know how the church deals with this type of situation.
She also believes she does not need indulgences nor will she be going to purgatory...are these denying articles of the faith? And she believes if she becomes a Catholic and recieved the last rites she will go straight to heaven...which is presumption correct?
We no longer associate with her because of obvious reasons as well as veiled threats she made against our family.
But I am concerned over her becoming a catholic with these issues.
Yes, I would discuss your above concerns with the priest. Let him decide if she should become Catholic. The priest has years of special training to deal with people like this. Of course, continue to pray for her. I will say some prayers for her too.
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Hello I have recently had an experience with someone who we now believe is a psychopath...here is a link to a description of what a psychopath is in case you don't know
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-a-psychopath-5025217#toc-signs-of-a-psychopath
Wow, after reading this now I’m wondering the difference between a psychopath and a narcissist :confused:
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Wow, after reading this now I’m wondering the difference between a psychopath and a narcissist :confused:
All psychopaths are narcissists. Not all narcissists are psychopaths. However, it might be closer to say that all narcissists are at least sociopaths.
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All psychopaths are narcissists. Not all narcissists are psychopaths. However, it might be closer to say that all narcissists are at least sociopaths.
So then I’m curious when would a narcissist go too far, cross that line and officially become a psychopath? When he commits his first real crime?
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So then I’m curious when would a narcissist go too far, cross that line and officially become a psychopath? When he commits his first real crime?
Psychopaths lack empathy.
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This video helps explain the differences well, from a Catholic perspective:
https://youtu.be/Ux4duSamw68 (https://youtu.be/Ux4duSamw68)
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Hello I have recently had an experience with someone who we now believe is a psychopath...here is a link to a description of what a psychopath is in case you don't know
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-a-psychopath-5025217#toc-signs-of-a-psychopath
So she has been trying to become a Catholic but it has not worked for certain reasons
Do we have a duty to tell the priest what we have discovered? I don't know how the church deals with this type of situation.
She also believes she does not need indulgences nor will she be going to purgatory...are these denying articles of the faith? And she believes if she becomes a Catholic and recieved the last rites she will go straight to heaven...which is presumption correct?
We no longer associate with her because of obvious reasons as well as veiled threats she made against our family.
But I am concerned over her becoming a catholic with these issues.
If you are not a religious and not related to this person then you should not say anything to her priest because whether or not her priest baptizes is none of your business.
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Wow, after reading this now I’m wondering the difference between a psychopath and a narcissist :confused:
I remember watching a docuмentary years ago that stated that narcissism is a level of psychopathy.
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If you are not a religious and not related to this person then you should not say anything to her priest because whether or not her priest baptizes is none of your business.
I would like to clear something up...my husband and i introduced her to this priest and recommended her per say as a woman who was interested in becoming catholic. We had many ties with her within the church and she even lived on our property twice to help her out, but now that we see/know this about her we feel it may be our duty because of what I stated above.
I want her to be saved but i don't want her to come into the church as a pretender with our knowledge and that somehow be on our shoulders for not telling what we know.
Would it be any different if someone wanted to be baptized but did not repent of their adultery or alcoholism, etc and you knew but made no mention of it to anyone? Would that person be liable before God? That is our biggest concern...her habitual lying is very concerning.
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Psychopaths lack empathy.
So do narcissists
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This video helps explain the differences well, from a Catholic perspective:
https://youtu.be/Ux4duSamw68 (https://youtu.be/Ux4duSamw68)
I saw this several years ago and it was great! Very interesting topic and Ann’s perspective was truly enlightening. I don’t remember all of it and it was a very long video, I think 3 hours, so watching again would be difficult for now. But thank you for posting it is fitting for the topic
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I would like to clear something up...my husband and i introduced her to this priest and recommended her per say as a woman who was interested in becoming catholic. We had many ties with her within the church and she even lived on our property twice to help her out, but now that we see/know this about her we feel it may be our duty because of what I stated above.
I want her to be saved but i don't want her to come into the church as a pretender with our knowledge and that somehow be on our shoulders for not telling what we know.
Would it be any different if someone wanted to be baptized but did not repent of their adultery or alcoholism, etc and you knew but made no mention of it to anyone? Would that person be liable before God? That is our biggest concern...her habitual lying is very concerning.
You would not be liable before God.
The baptizing priest is liable to vet adult baptism candidates.
If you are still concerned, speak with a priest in the confessional.
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Found a simple explanation:
[narcissists] talk about themselves almost exclusively. That is, those with narcissistic personality disorders (NPD) tend to think and speak of themselves most of the time. They are very conscious of their physical appearance, wealth, talents or achievements of which there are often many, and they expect to hold your attention to these attributes as they speak. However, these comments may tend to be exaggerated or at least overemphasized and are not necessarily accurate reflections of their whole lives.[/list]
Key to differentiating the narcissist from the sociopath is that the sociopath cannot experience remorse and may be violent. The sociopath, however, does have all the narcissistic characteristics above.
A major differentiated characteristic of the psychopath and sociopath is that the former is innate while the latter is environmental. Both have narcissistic characteristics. There is no regard for right and wrong and thus violate the law and the rights of others
https://lauriehollmanphd.com/2020/05/18/narcissist-vs-sociopath-vs-psychopath-whats-the-difference/#:~:text=The%20main%20difference%20between%20the,not%20physically%20aggressive%20or%20violent.
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A good example of a narcissist, sociopath and, possibly, a psychopath, is a woman on this forum whose initials are "AG".
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If you are not a religious and not related to this person then you should not say anything to her priest because whether or not her priest baptizes is none of your business.
You would not be liable before God.
The baptizing priest is liable to vet adult baptism candidates.
If you are still concerned, speak with a priest in the confessional.
Nonsense. All Catholics are the Church's keeper. The priest isn't omniscient. If a layman has personal knowledge and experience of a person who is a detriment to the Church while entering it, that layman should inform the priest.
The confessional is for confessions. It's not for anything outside of it. The person should inform the priest at another time and place. Make an appointment, if need be.
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This video helps explain the differences well, from a Catholic perspective:
https://youtu.be/Ux4duSamw68 (https://server8.kproxy.com/servlet/redirect.srv/sjh/sccezk/p2/Ux4duSamw68)
It, also, unwittingly, describes jews to a T.
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Satan (Lucifer) was the first schizophrenic, narcissist, psychopath and being to commit ѕυιcιdє.
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I would like to clear something up...my husband and i introduced her to this priest and recommended her per say as a woman who was interested in becoming catholic. We had many ties with her within the church and she even lived on our property twice to help her out, but now that we see/know this about her we feel it may be our duty because of what I stated above.
I want her to be saved but i don't want her to come into the church as a pretender with our knowledge and that somehow be on our shoulders for not telling what we know.
Would it be any different if someone wanted to be baptized but did not repent of their adultery or alcoholism, etc and you knew but made no mention of it to anyone? Would that person be liable before God? That is our biggest concern...her habitual lying is very concerning.
You did your part now shake the dust. Concern yourself with saving your soul and those of your husband and children and pray for her but beyond that, as much as possible have nothing to do with her. You cannot really compare this situation with baptizing anyone so forget about that.
Telling the priest your concern regarding this psycho would be the prudent thing to do so the priest doesn't get blind sided. The reason for telling the priest is because she has many ties within your Church and it only takes one determined person to stir up trouble and cause chaos and division within the congregation, since the priest is the authority it's best to let him know. If he's been around for any length of time, he most likely has experience dealing with this type of situation and should know how to best remedy it.
That's my free advice.
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It, also, unwittingly, describes Jєωs to a T.
I am sure it was not unwittingly.
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In that movie "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest", Martini wanted a hotel when they were playing monopoly, but it wasn't his turn and he didn't have the money, but he just kept grabbing it and grabbing at it anyway. He'd pick that red hotel out of the box and say with his own satisfaction, "hotel, hotel".
Then an exasperated and irritated Harding would say, "what are you doing? You do not have a hotel there. For the third time, you do not have a hotel on Boardwalk. It costs $1,000 and four green houses to put a hotel on Boardwalk".
Harding would take the red hotel away from Martini, and put it back in the community box. Then when Martini had the chance, he'd grab the hotel again an try to put it back on Boardwalk. So it goes.
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A good example of a narcissist, sociopath and, possibly, a psychopath, is a woman on this forum whose initials are "AG".
Correction. I meant "AE".
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I am sure it was not unwittingly.
At the time that she rendered that great analysis, she was, unfortunately, pro-zionist. Maybe not so much now.