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Offline Gray2023

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Re: " How I Will Win This Election"
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2024, 08:26:45 PM »
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  • The attitude of the OP leads directly to not believing that there are any true Catholics to follow.  It means  the Church is only among certain individuals who by their own standards have become the most perfect Catholic. 

    The problem is that our goal shouldnt be becoming the most perfect Catholic,  the goal is Union with God, which is to be in Perfect Charity, which means loving as God loves and giving people opportunities to practice that love.  All people as long as they are living have this call.

    (and just for clarity love doesn't mean accepting things that are against God, we have to be prudent when addressing social topics, like abortion,  lifestyle choices, illegal immigration  etc, because most people who choose these things already hurt or have been hurt)

    It is not about who is going to win this protestant electionion in this protestant country.

    If Kamala wins then there is a real probability that praying the Rosary in public will be considered "hate speech".  If Trump is elected, I won't be afraid that my rights in this country to pray in public will be taken away.  I vote to continue practicing Catholicism, I don't see that my vote is cooperating with evil in any way.
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine

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    Re: " How I Will Win This Election"
    « Reply #16 on: October 23, 2024, 09:19:07 PM »
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  • The attitude of the OP leads directly to not believing that there are any true Catholics to follow.  It means  the Church is only among certain individuals who by their own standards have become the most perfect Catholic. 

    The problem is that our goal shouldnt be becoming the most perfect Catholic,  the goal is Union with God, which is to be in Perfect Charity, which means loving as God loves and giving people opportunities to practice that love.  All people as long as they are living have this call.

    (and just for clarity love doesn't mean accepting things that are against God, we have to be prudent when addressing social topics, like abortion,  lifestyle choices, illegal immigration  etc, because most people who choose these things already hurt or have been hurt)

    It is not about who is going to win this protestant electionion in this protestant country.

    If Kamala wins then there is a real probability that praying the Rosary in public will be considered "hate speech".  If Trump is elected, I won't be afraid that my rights in this country to pray in public will be taken away.  I vote to continue practicing Catholicism, I don't see that my vote is cooperating with evil in any way.
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    Re: " How I Will Win This Election"
    « Reply #17 on: October 23, 2024, 10:21:12 PM »
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  • If you can't watch the whole thing, just the story at the beginning and that's just one of many examples.

    Start by trying to restore integrity and truth speaking and you start to heal the many problems one by one, start with everything at once, all or nothing and you get nothing. If you abandon the imperfect who are trying and they are taken down... then when the time comes there will be nobody left to speak for you.

    "Never discourage anyone who makes continually makes progress, no matter how slow." - Plato

    "Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

    God Bless
    But who is really making the slow progress?  In the last 60+ years what progress has been made towards a more Catholic country and world?  Compromise has only benefitted the kingdom of satan and his war against the Catholic Church.  

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    Re: " How I Will Win This Election"
    « Reply #18 on: October 23, 2024, 10:44:36 PM »
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  • But who is really making the slow progress?  In the last 60+ years what progress has been made towards a more Catholic country and world?  Compromise has only benefitted the kingdom of satan and his war against the Catholic Church. 

    It's about working together toward common goals, if you constantly lose more and more ground with nothing to show for it, then it's time to change course, but with Trump, he did overturn Roe v Wade despite passionate objections that he would never do so and that we were being played... so first of all it's a lie and secondly even if he doesn't go far enough, your still better off than the alternative, so why would you not try? What do you have to lose?

    And it's not just on this front, Trump scored a number of victories on a great many fronts, Mexico City Policy is another one, Elon Musk trying to restore free speech, Carlson and what he is doing, RFK Jr and the jabs and shining a spotlight on these other very important issues etc etc. 

    So to spurn this lifeline in light of the alternative as some of these people so passionately do like a Crusade (their passion makes no sense for their logic) is just madness.

    "Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

    God Bless

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    Re: " How I Will Win This Election"
    « Reply #19 on: October 23, 2024, 11:43:17 PM »
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  • Compromise has only benefitted the kingdom of satan and his war against the Catholic Church. 

    Has it?

    How did the Vendee fair? They spurred on the reign of terror... it was the Martyrs of Compiegne that ended the reign of terror and ended up getting Robespierre himself executed, something the Vendee could not achieve despite their best efforts. Besides, the Sacred Heart as a Military Standard was given to King Louis XIV who rejected it and even King Louis XVI tried to flee the Country before even looking at the Sacred Heart.

    During the Napoleonic Wars, the Spanish originally tried to liberate Madrid on their own, Sir Arthur Wellesley however was disgusted by their lack of cooperation and so refused to participate and they were slaughtered suffering their biggest defeat of the war... it was a coalition of Portuguese, Spanish Guerrilla's and the British under Sir Arthur Wellesley who defeated Napoleon in Spain and thus liberated Spain. That was no small thing at the time either, considering England was Protestant and they had a long history of conflict... but it paid off in the end because Sir Arthur Wellesley after his victory at Waterloo (with the aid of the Prussians) would become a legend and later become the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and pass into law the Roman Catholic Relief Act of 1829, even protesting King George IV for it.

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    His term was marked by Roman Catholic Emancipation: the restoration of most civil rights to Roman Catholics in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. The change was prompted by the landslide by-election win of Daniel O'Connell, a Roman Catholic Irish proponent of emancipation, who was elected despite not being legally allowed to sit in Parliament. In the House of Lords, facing stiff opposition, Wellington spoke for Catholic Emancipation, and according to some sources, gave one of the best speeches of his career. Wellington was born in Ireland and so had some understanding of the grievances of the Roman Catholic majority there; as Chief Secretary, he had given an undertaking that the remaining Penal Laws would only be enforced as "mildly" as possible. In 1811 Catholic soldiers were given freedom of worship and 18 years later the Roman Catholic Relief Act 1829 was passed with a majority of 105. Many Tories voted against the Act, and it passed only with the help of the Whigs. Wellington had threatened to resign as prime minister if King George IV did not give Royal Assent.

    Next we can look at Russia and the Eastern Orthodox, also not Roman Catholics.


    Napoleon and his Grande Armee of 20 languages (Largest army Europe had ever seen) at the Battle of Borodino 1812.

    "Of all my fifty battles, the most terrible was the one I fought at Borodino." - Napoleon Bonaparte


    Field Marshall Kutuzov and the Russian Army before the Theotokos of Smolensk on the eve of the Battle of Borodino 1812.

    "In the end my Immaculate Heart will Triumph." - Our Lady of Fatima

    Tsar Alexander could've called it a day after this, however, he set out to liberate Europe culminating into the Battle of Leipzig.

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    The feast of Our Lady, Help of Christians, was instituted by Pope Pius VII. By order of Napoleon I of France, Pope Pius VII was arrested on 5 June 1808, and detained a prisoner first at Grenoble, and then at Fontainebleau. In January 1814, after the battle of Leipzig, he was brought back to Savona and set free on 17 March, on the eve of the feast of Our Lady of Mercy, the Patroness of Savona. The journey to Rome was a veritable triumphal march. The Pope, attributing the victory of the church after so much agony and distress to the Blessed Virgin, visited many of her sanctuaries on the way and crowned her images (e.g., the "Madonna del Monte" at Cesena, "della Misericordia" at Treja, "della Colonne" and "della Tempestà" at Tolentino). The people crowded the streets to catch a glimpse of the Pope who had withstood the threats of Napoleon. He entered Rome on 24 May 1814, and was enthusiastically welcomed. To commemorate his own sufferings and those of the church during his exile Pope Pius VII extended the feast of the Seven Dolours of Mary to the Catholic Church on 18 September 1814.

    "Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

    God Bless



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    Re: " How I Will Win This Election"
    « Reply #20 on: October 24, 2024, 01:14:38 AM »
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    Re: " How I Will Win This Election"
    « Reply #21 on: October 24, 2024, 06:55:30 AM »
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    Re: " How I Will Win This Election"
    « Reply #22 on: October 24, 2024, 07:57:53 AM »
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  • It is good that Trump promised to help support persecuted Christians around the globe and help end persecution of Christians to earn and win back Christian support. Now, he must do few more things (1) commit, at least privately (e.g. to pro life organizations who then relay the information to us) to federal abortion bans (2) commit to continue his pro life supreme and federal court appointments, because too much is on the line for him to waver. Christian support should not be taken for granted, but should be fought for and earned or won. Trump is good but wavers a little now and then.


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    Re: " How I Will Win This Election"
    « Reply #23 on: October 24, 2024, 08:10:20 AM »
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  • Christian support should not be taken for granted, but should be fought for and earned or won.

    You know, on one hand I get that, but on the other hand, Christendom is not transactional like that, I'm reminded of, you have received without giving now give without receiving, love Him (Christ) totally, He (Christ) who totally gave Himself for your love (The Passion). You win the heart and you get more than you ever could transactionally. 

    So all I would say, is just do the best you can, I make no demands and I pray for them, if things start going in the opposite direction and it's loss after loss, then it's time to change course, but you don't particularly want to be in a transactional relationship you want to win hearts and minds.

    When Christ stayed with the wealthy Tax Collector Zacchaeus, He didn't make any demands and Zacchaeus offered it of his own accord because he wanted to and felt it was the right thing to do.

    "Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

    God Bless

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    Re: " How I Will Win This Election"
    « Reply #24 on: October 24, 2024, 08:15:30 AM »
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  • Love whom totally? Trump? No, only Christ. Love Christ totally, Who gave Himself totally for you. Our support of politicians or anyone else should be conditional upon them supporting Christ, just like those who want to support Israel should at least make it conditional on them not harming Christians or targeting civilians. You don't understand what you are saying. Without Catholic and Evangelical pressure, politicians will fall out of line. Christians are a sufficiently strong demographic that we can make reasonable demands and politicians should and will comply with them if we exert sufficient pressure on them to do so. Yes, of course I love Trump and pray for him, I love everyone, and we all have to, we are Catholics/Christians. But Trump should know, while he is appeasing this and that moderate or liberal pro-abort group by liberalizing on abortion, Christians are watching too and want him to remain faithful on that. I stand by what I said that Trump should commit to a federal abortion ban. It's not about gambling your vote away. It's about voting and making principled demands too.

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    « Reply #25 on: October 24, 2024, 08:28:04 AM »
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  • Love whom totally? Trump? No, only Christ.

    It was a quote from St Clare of Assisi and when the 'H' is capitalized, I do that for Christ, but I quickly realized when I proof read it that people could misunderstand so I added the brackets in an edit shortly afterward. Please read it again. :)

    God Bless


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    « Reply #26 on: October 24, 2024, 08:28:52 AM »
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  • Ok. 

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    Re: " How I Will Win This Election"
    « Reply #27 on: October 24, 2024, 09:18:56 AM »
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  • Cardinal Burke chimes in: "He finally warns that “if there is even the smallest ray of hope to effect some change in view of effecting ever greater change for the common good, it is not right for us to fail in responding to the ray of hope. Only if no candidate provides any ray of hope of serving, at least in some part, the common good, especially in what pertains to human life, marriage and the family, and the practice of religion, are we justified in not voting at all.”

    https://catholicvote.org/just-ahead-of-election-day-cardinal-burke-offers-guidance-to-catholic-voters/

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    Re: " How I Will Win This Election"
    « Reply #28 on: October 24, 2024, 09:28:58 AM »
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  • Cardinal Burke chimes in: "He finally warns that “if there is even the smallest ray of hope to effect some change in view of effecting ever greater change for the common good, it is not right for us to fail in responding to the ray of hope. Only if no candidate provides any ray of hope of serving, at least in some part, the common good, especially in what pertains to human life, marriage and the family, and the practice of religion, are we justified in not voting at all.”

    https://catholicvote.org/just-ahead-of-election-day-cardinal-burke-offers-guidance-to-catholic-voters/

    I'm out of thumbs up votes but very well said, not a demand, but rather a plea and he is absolutely right and I completely agree with this quote.

    "Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

    God Bless

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    « Reply #29 on: October 24, 2024, 09:39:51 AM »
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  • Obama is a smart man and I can see how he pulled the wool over so many peoples eyes, but he is working toward evil ends, it is time to use this truth against him and toward truthful and righteous ends. That is why I would vote for Trump if I could.

    On a side note, he says he doesn't understand the toxicity then they slander Trump as Hitler lol, what a snake and the irony when it was Biden's administration who violated the Nuremburg Code with the jab mandates.

    "Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

    God Bless