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« on: May 15, 2011, 03:36:59 PM »
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  • My Take: How technology could bring down the church
    Editor's Note: Lisa Miller, formerly the religion editor at Newsweek, is the author of “Heaven: Our Enduring Fascination with the Afterlife,” recently released in paperback.

    By Lisa Miller, Special to CNN

    This year marks the 400th anniversary of the King James Bible, and Bible publishers are ostentatiously commemorating the landmark by producing an abundance of gorgeous doorstops. Leather bound Bibles. Two-volume sets. Replicas of the 1611 version complete with “original” illustrations.

    The hoopla is entirely justified, since the King James Bible revolutionized Bible reading, bringing Scripture into a common vernacular for the first time for the English-speaking world.

    It is not too much to say that the King James Bible - mass produced as it was, thanks to a new technology called the printing press - democratized religion by taking it out of the hands of the clerical few and giving it to the many.

    Today, another revolution in Bible reading is underway – one that has nothing to do with gilt-edged paper. If the King James Bible brought the Bible to the English-speaking masses, today’s technology goes a giant step further, making Scripture - in any language and any translation - accessible to anyone on earth with a smartphone.

    Just like the 500-year-old Protestant Reformation, which was aided by the advent of the printing press and which helped give birth to the King James Bible, changes wrought by new technology have the potential to bring down the church as we know it.

    In the face of church leaders who claimed that only they could interpret the Bible for the common people, Reformation leaders like Martin Luther taught that nothing supersedes the authority of the Word itself.

    "A simple layman armed with Scripture,” Luther wrote, “is greater than the mightiest pope without it."

    In that vein, digital technology gives users the text, plain and simple, without the interpretive lens of established authorities. And it lets users share interpretations with other non-authorities, like family members, friends and coworkers.

    With Scripture on iPhones and iPads, believers can bypass constraining religious structures - otherwise known as “church” - in favor of a more individual connection with God.

    This helps solve a problem that Christian leaders are increasingly articulating: that even among people who say that Jesus Christ is their personal Lord and savior, folks don’t read the Bible.

    According to a 2010 survey, more than a third of born-again Christians “rarely or never” read the Bible. Among “unaffiliated” people - that is, Americans who don’t belong to a religious congregation - more than two thirds say they don’t read the Bible.

    Especially among 18-to-29 year olds, Bible reading has come to feel like homework, associated with “right” interpretations and “wrong ones,” and accompanied by stern lectures from the pulpit.

    Young Christians “have come to expect experiences that appear unscripted and interactive,” the Christian demographer Dave Kinnaman told the Christian magazine Charisma in 2009, “that allow them to be open and honest with their questions, that are technologically stimulating, that are done alongside peers and within trusted relationships.”

    This yearning for a more unmediated faith - including Bible verses live in your pocket or purse 24/7, available to inspire or console wherever and whenever they’re needed - has met an enthusiastic embrace.

    For growing numbers of young people, a leather-bound Bible sitting like an artifact on a stand in the family living room has no allure. It’s not an invitation to exploration or questioning.

    Young people want to “consume” their spirituality the way they do their news or their music. They want to dip and dabble, the way they browse Facebook.

    Thus the almost-insane popularity of Youversion, a digital Bible available for free on iTunes and developed by a 34-year-old technology buff and Christian pastor from Oklahoma named Bobby Gruenewald. He conceived of it, he told me, while on a layover at Chicago O'Hare International Airport, wishing he had a Bible to read.

    “What we’re really trying to address is, how do we increase engagement in the Bible?” he said.

    Now available in 113 versions and 41 languages, including Arabic, Youversion has a community component that allows users to share thoughts and insights on Bible verses with friends. It has been installed on more than 20 million smartphones since 2008.

    On May 2, Youversion staged its own King James commemorative event: for 400 seconds, starting at noon, more than 10,0000 users logged on and read a portion of the Bible – King James translation, of course - a kind of 21st century Bible-reading flash mob.

    Traditionalists worry that technology allows young believers to practice religion without committing to what in the south is called “a church home” - and they’re right.

    I did a public Q&A with Michigan pastor Rob Bell on the eve of the publication of his new bestseller "Love Wins" and was astonished, during the book-signing that followed, at how many acolytes felt they knew Rob through his sermons, which they regularly downloaded off the internet, even though they had never met him. They hailed from places like Australia, South Africa and New Jersey.

    They listen to Bell while they’re working out, or commuting to work. They get their religion - like their meals – on the run.

    It is now possible to imagine the extinction of the family Bible, long given as a gift on graduation day or other big occasions and inscribed with special dates: births, marriages, deaths.

    Instead, the Bible may someday exist exclusively online, with features that allow for personalization: Link to photos of weddings and baptisms! “Share” favorite verses!

    When Bible study can be done on Facebook as easily as in the church basement, and a favorite preacher can teach lessons via podcast, the necessity of physically gathering each week in the same place with the same people turns remote.

    Without a doubt, this represents a new crisis for organized religion, a challenge to think again about what it means to be a “body” of believers.
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    « Reply #1 on: May 15, 2011, 03:38:38 PM »
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  • What I thought was ironic -- in an opinion piece that credits Luther with having done so much good -- was the implicit trashing of the "We know it's Scripture because the content is holy." argument.

    Look what quote the lady chose for the graphic to accompany the story!

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    « Reply #2 on: May 16, 2011, 07:10:51 AM »
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  • This is not just a problem in Protestant circles, though this "on-the-go" bible is predominately a Protestant problem.

    Sound-byte theology is a major problem in Catholic circles as well.  It has been a problem in the Conciliar church for years and has been cultivated by the Vatican with their "Year of..." themes that are so popular.  The pamphlets, homilies, banners, etc., prevalent in the Conciliar parishes are generally sound-byte themes designed to appeal to emotions quickly so that the faithful don't have to think.  Though it is not as bad as depicted in, say, Animal Farm, "Four legs good, two legs Baaaad!", sloganeering is how the Conciliar church teaches the flock.  

    Unfortunately, we see the very same problem on traditional Catholic forums like this one.  Though some members do try to present reasoned arguments and discuss issues in a logical and compelling way, many members use quick and ready sound-bytes to get their points across and often these sound-bytes appeal, not to reason, but to emotions.  I've even found myself refuting sound-bytes with sound-bytes only because it is clearly evident that the other posters aren't reading the longer and more thoughtful comments and are looking for that elusive bottom line:  The one short phrase that sums up the whole of the theological arguments.  In true religious debate, however, this is seldom possible.

    Additionally, there are others who interpret Denzinger or papal encyclicals in the same way Protestants interpret the bible, developing a whole theology based on one or two lines.  The problem is that one must take the whole of the bible along with the whole of Catholic teachings through the centuries in order to make conclusive arguments concerning current events.  (This, by the way, is why the Conciliar church cannot be one and the same as the Catholic Church.  It's deviations from Catholic theology and doctrine are so deep that its teachings cannot be reconciled with, and often directly counter, teachings that have been in catechisms for centuries.)

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    « Reply #3 on: May 16, 2011, 10:28:14 AM »
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    The hoopla is entirely justified, since the King James Bible revolutionized Bible reading, bringing Scripture into a common vernacular for the first time for the English-speaking world.


    No, the King James was not the first vernacular translation of the Bible in the Anglophone world: it was the first Protestant translation without the mass of acerbically heretical commentary that the Geneva Bible had, for example. The heretic William Tyndale was the first to attempt a translation (or, rather, profanation) of the Scriptures. However, portions of the Sacred Scriptures had already been translated in Old and Middle English.

    The translation of the Vulgate New Testament published by the English College [that educated the clerics that fled the Elizabethan persecutions only to return to England and heroically risk life and limb for souls] at Rheims in 1582 preceded the "Authorised Version" and had considerable influence upon its New Testament.

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    They get their religion - like their meals – on the run.


    Drive-thru religion: the great legacy of the Protestant Revolution.

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    Additionally, there are others who interpret Denzinger or papal encyclicals in the same way Protestants interpret the bible, developing a whole theology based on one or two lines.  The problem is that one must take the whole of the bible along with the whole of Catholic teachings through the centuries in order to make conclusive arguments concerning current events.


    Yes! The greatest folly committed by some traditional Catholics, in my opinion, lies in misinterpreting Canon Law in the same way. We tend to forget that it took almost a decade of rigorous formal academic training before educated clerics could even discourse and posit authoritative conclusions upon controversial questions in the competence of theologians, canonists, causists, etc.
    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.

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    « Reply #4 on: May 16, 2011, 12:51:26 PM »
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  • Considering the decline in all things Catholic during the Novus Ordo decades, it would seem clear that Protestantism has no less staying power than the V2 anti-Church.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    « Reply #5 on: May 16, 2011, 01:16:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: Hobbledehoy
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    Additionally, there are others who interpret Denzinger or papal encyclicals in the same way Protestants interpret the bible, developing a whole theology based on one or two lines.  The problem is that one must take the whole of the bible along with the whole of Catholic teachings through the centuries in order to make conclusive arguments concerning current events.


    Yes! The greatest folly committed by some traditional Catholics, in my opinion, lies in misinterpreting Canon Law in the same way. We tend to forget that it took almost a decade of rigorous formal academic training before educated clerics could even discourse and posit authoritative conclusions upon controversial questions in the competence of theologians, canonists, causists, etc.


    You are quite right!  I should have remembered this admonition applies to Canon Law as well since I have just read an SSPX missive citing Canon Law (both the 1917 and 1983 codes) as the reason that layman are not allowed to notice heresy.

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    « Reply #6 on: May 17, 2011, 11:16:54 PM »
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    This is not just a problem in Protestant circles, though this "on-the-go" bible is predominately a Protestant problem.

    Sound-byte theology is a major problem in Catholic circles as well.  It has been a problem in the Conciliar church for years and has been cultivated by the Vatican with their "Year of..." themes that are so popular.  The pamphlets, homilies, banners, etc., prevalent in the Conciliar parishes are generally sound-byte themes designed to appeal to emotions quickly so that the faithful don't have to think.  Though it is not as bad as depicted in, say, Animal Farm, "Four legs good, two legs Baaaad!", sloganeering is how the Conciliar church teaches the flock.  


    Well put. There was a thread a short while ago about ADD and the shorting of attention spans which sound-bite religion is both a result of and helps to foster. People constantly don't want to miss anything and are ready to move on to something else once that previous something gets "tiresome" or is no longer relevant. All of it really just creates shallowness in the end.
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