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Offline HeidtXtreme

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Pronunciation of “Amen”
« on: March 11, 2025, 12:13:18 AM »
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    • I’ve always pronounced “Amen” as “ah-men” since becoming a Traditional Catholic, but I notice that a lot of Traditional Catholics and Traditional Catholic priests in the United States pronounce “Amen” as “ay-men”. Is “ay-men” a Protestant abuse of the original pronunciation that most American Catholics are just unaware of, or is the pronunciation simply a cultural difference?
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    Re: Pronunciation of “Amen”
    « Reply #1 on: March 11, 2025, 07:42:58 AM »
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    • I thought "ay men" was an amercanization of the word. 

    My husband prefers "ah men" because it is closer to a Latin pronunciation and is usually how it is sung.
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    Re: Pronunciation of “Amen”
    « Reply #2 on: March 11, 2025, 08:07:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on March 11, 2025, 07:42:58 AM
    I thought "ay men" was an amercanization of the word.

    My husband prefers "ah men" because it is closer to a Latin pronunciation and is usually how it is sung.

    That's my impression too.  I tend to say "ay men" when praying in English, & definitely "ah men" when praying in Latin. 
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    Re: Pronunciation of “Amen”
    « Reply #3 on: March 11, 2025, 11:27:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: B from A on March 11, 2025, 08:07:13 AM
    I tend to say "ay men" when praying in English, & definitely "ah men" when praying in Latin.
    This is my practice as well.
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    Re: Pronunciation of “Amen”
    « Reply #4 on: March 11, 2025, 11:43:14 AM »
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    • I always thought Catholics across the world even in America would say Ah-men as that is what is said even in Anglican services. Growing up I always thought the American use of Ay-men was just an African American Happy clappy thing that they did (not much difference with the Novus Ordo :jester:)
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    Re: Pronunciation of “Amen”
    « Reply #5 on: March 11, 2025, 11:51:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: ThatBritPapist on March 11, 2025, 11:43:14 AM
    I always thought Catholics across the world even in America would say Ah-men as that is what is said even in Anglican services. Growing up I always thought the American use of Ay-men was just an African American Happy clappy thing that they did (not much difference with the Novus Ordo :jester:)

    Kinda like this?  




    :jester:

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    Re: Pronunciation of “Amen”
    « Reply #6 on: March 11, 2025, 11:55:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: ThatBritPapist on March 11, 2025, 11:43:14 AM
    I always thought Catholics across the world even in America would say Ah-men as that is what is said even in Anglican services. Growing up I always thought the American use of Ay-men was just an African American Happy clappy thing that they did (not much difference with the Novus Ordo :jester:)
    My priest prefers "ay men" because he thought "ah men" was too protestant. Maybe these things are more to do with localized customs. 
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    Re: Pronunciation of “Amen”
    « Reply #7 on: March 11, 2025, 11:56:50 AM »
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    • When I sing, it’s Amen (ahmen )  When I pray out loud, it’s Amen.  A-men. 
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    Re: Pronunciation of “Amen”
    « Reply #8 on: March 11, 2025, 12:00:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: B from A on March 11, 2025, 11:51:03 AM
    Kinda like this? 




    :jester:
    Exactly like this :jester::jester::jester::jester:
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    Re: Pronunciation of “Amen”
    « Reply #9 on: March 11, 2025, 12:04:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on March 11, 2025, 11:55:52 AM
    My priest prefers "ay men" because he thought "ah men" was too protestant. Maybe these things are more to do with localized customs.
    Probably has to do with Localized customs however Traditionally in Europe has been Ah-men. From my understanding it was until Paul VI visit to America when our Yank Brothers and Sisters started using the more "Protestant lingo"

    It's important to note that the word comes from the Hebrew verb “‘aman,” which means to affirm or support.“amin” is also part of prayer in Islam.
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    Re: Pronunciation of “Amen”
    « Reply #10 on: March 11, 2025, 12:05:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on March 11, 2025, 11:56:50 AM
    When I sing, it’s Amen (ahmen )  When I pray out loud, it’s Amen.  A-men.
    https://youtu.be/8pUAnrVWUkk?si=FL-nQk89lxFNI-61

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    Re: Pronunciation of “Amen”
    « Reply #11 on: March 11, 2025, 12:34:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: B from A on March 11, 2025, 11:51:03 AM
    Kinda like this? 




    :jester:
    I saw a black novus ordo priest do that. Now I know where it comes from. He taught it to the congregation at the beginning, demanding it be used throughout the service.
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    Re: Pronunciation of “Amen”
    « Reply #12 on: March 11, 2025, 12:51:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: St Giles on March 11, 2025, 12:34:42 PM
    I saw a black novus ordo priest do that. Now I know where it comes from. He taught it to the congregation at the beginning, demanding it be used throughout the service.

    Wow.  :(.   :facepalm:
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    Re: Pronunciation of “Amen”
    « Reply #13 on: March 11, 2025, 01:21:13 PM »
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    • correct Viva
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    Re: Pronunciation of “Amen”
    « Reply #14 on: March 11, 2025, 01:31:25 PM »
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    • The pronunciation of "Amen" varies amongst Anglophones by geographical and socio-economic dialects, not by any Catholic vs. Protestant dualism.

    "Amen" translated from Hebrew into English is:  "So mote it be." This literal translation of "Amen" showed up in some AI translations of letters from Msgr. Viganò that circulated a few years back, precipitating a childish and wholly unnecessary attack upon Viganò that accused him of being a Freemason because Anglophone Masons use the literal translation of "Amen" in their rites. A simple search back to Viganò's original Italian would have show the word "Amen" used in those several places in question.
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