Author Topic: Pro-life organizations (Read 1160 times)

songbird · « **on:** May 11, 2015, 05:11:06 PM »

Asking if anyone has come across a Pro-life group that does not speak out against contraceptives, sterilization, condoms. Some groups will fight against abortion, but give no lip service to the birth control issue.

I believe that abortion is rooted in attitudes and birth control first. How can you stop abortion without hitting upon birth control.

There is one particular group: www.lifetalktv.com known as life dynamics. I understand it is not under "catholic" but some people go to them for news. Lifesite is another.

I have problems with those organizations which are against abortion, support "catholic" yet their clergy put money where abortion is.

I would like to hear your experiences in the area and who can you trust and not trust and why.

In 1990's Fr. Paul Marx of HLI told me not to support $ Fr. Frank Pavone because he would not speak against the birth controls. The number one being sterilization.

Your thoughts.

Nadir · « **Reply #1 on:** May 11, 2015, 05:32:48 PM »

Quote from: songbird

In 1990's Fr. Paul Marx of HLI told me not to support $ Fr. Frank Pavone because he would not speak against the birth controls. The number one being sterilization.

Your thoughts.

I'm surprised to hear that. I know that HLI covers all pro-life issues and Fr Pavone tends to concentration on abortion and its effects rather than causes. I just checked out the website and found this using their search box: http://www.priestsforlife.org/contraception/ You will find quite a few other links on that page.

Nadir · « **Reply #2 on:** May 11, 2015, 05:35:07 PM »

Try Pharmacists for Life: http://www.pfli.org/

Cantarella · « **Reply #3 on:** May 11, 2015, 05:55:41 PM »

This thread probably does not belong to the Baptism of Desire / Feeneyism subforum.

tdrev123 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 11, 2015, 06:32:18 PM »

Im pretty sure lifesitenews.com - is against contraception, adultery, porn, divorce, etc...It is not a catholic site as far as i know, but very orthodox in what they have to say about these issues

songbird · « **Reply #5 on:** May 11, 2015, 07:48:08 PM »

I am thinking, people should be very careful about donating to pro-life groups who may not be so pro-life.

Nadir · « **Reply #6 on:** May 11, 2015, 10:12:39 PM »

Quote from: tdrev123

Im pretty sure lifesitenews.com - is against contraception, adultery, porn, divorce, etc...It is not a catholic site as far as i know, but very orthodox in what they have to say about these issues

On their "ABOUT" page they say:

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2. LifeSiteNews.com emphasizes the social worth of traditional ʝʊdɛօ-Christian principles but is also respectful of all authentic religions and cultures that esteem life, family and universal norms of morality.

This is a common flaw with the pro-life movement. They give respectability to the dreaded ʝʊdɛօ-christianity. This includes the "Catholic" ones.

They will never tell the truth about the ʝʊdɛօ influence in anti-life business.

songbird · « **Reply #7 on:** May 11, 2015, 10:33:44 PM »

I would give replies to Lifesite.news and I was not allowed to respond again. What happened was articles in lifesitenews was saying how nice Bishops were, and how they were so pro-life. I responded with, " show me one bishop that is truly pro-llife and I will show you none, because the dioceses support Catholic Charities and such that has proven that they support abortion and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and etc.

I was off the air!

The same thing happened to me with ALL. Bishop Olmstead was said to be so pro-life when he slammed down St. Joes for allowing abortion. I emailed and mailed copies of St. Joe's hand manual of services and showed the pages where it was plan as day that it is in writing that abortion is ok and to follow these steps. I said, it is simplly on the web site for anyone. Who is on the board? If the institution is considered catholic, the Bishop is involved. Right? Now,why should the Bishop be so surprised. He knew. Boy, did this make the news nationwide, you bet!! So, who got publicity and who helped?

Nadir · « **Reply #8 on:** May 11, 2015, 10:54:38 PM »

Quote from: songbird

The same thing happened to me with ALL. Bishop Olmstead was said to be so pro-life when he slammed down St. Joes for allowing abortion. I emailed and mailed copies of St. Joe's hand manual of services and showed the pages where it was plan as day that it is in writing that abortion is ok and to follow these steps. I said, it is simplly on the web site for anyone. Who is on the board? If the institution is considered catholic, the Bishop is involved. Right? Now,why should the Bishop be so surprised. He knew. Boy, did this make the news nationwide, you bet!! So, who got publicity and who helped?

Songbird, where is the link. St Joes and no location is a bit vague. More details please.

songbird · « **Reply #9 on:** May 11, 2015, 11:07:28 PM »

I have Mercy Care Plan Manual October 1997. Also try Southwest Catholic Health Network.

songbird · « **Reply #10 on:** May 11, 2015, 11:22:21 PM »

Also, Bishop Olmsted revokes status of St. Joe's in Dec. of 2010.

That is right! And the copy I have of Mercy Care Handbook is 1997. Go figure!

But the Bishop got revues of how Pro-Life he was when he used excommunication. Well, he forgot himself! To bad someone was watching. Before this happened in 2010, I told the Catholic Sun Press, to stop giving St. Joe's a whole newspaper layout, ad, on the last page of the newspaper, since they allow contraceptives, sterilizations and abortion. I let people know, and I got gagged!!

songbird · « **Reply #11 on:** May 11, 2015, 11:33:08 PM »

When Bishop O'Brien was bishop, I brought 2 large packages of copies and proof of the dioceses serving the State and Federal gov't and Chris Gunty, editor of the newspaper was ready to smear me in the catholic sun paper. I fore warned him that he did not know who he was dealing with, OR, maybe he did, because he saw the care package! He said, just this one time I will let you go. Well, he is in Florida unless he moved again! Ha! Kathy Salbelko, who had Children of the Rosary, I let her have it too! Why? I told her about an ad, 5 X 7 in the catholic sun that was "Baby Arizona" but it was more, it was State phone numbers. I called and asked if they referred for abortion and their answer, "sure, where are you in zip code, we have 5 to choose from. I said, really, why just a few years ago you had 3! Which was true. I got to see "Pregnancy and Breastfeeding Hotline from the start and who started it (funding) and how it was Baby AZ. But see, Kathy who headed the rosaries in front of the abortion clinics knew of the phone number and did nothing. She said, when you say Mercy Care, do you think St. Joe's and I said, well, of course! Then a few days later I had to ask her, "Are you a smoke screen for the Bishop?" Boy, she got so mad, she called me names. She too left and went to Wisconsin, if she is still there.

We know and have proof, that CDA and catholic charities are not sweet! I have proof and that is enough for me.

songbird · « **Reply #12 on:** May 12, 2015, 12:08:46 AM »

I googled Mercy Care Plan Handbook Manual of 1997 but I don't know if it is possible to get it. I looked at the handbook for 2014 and there is no list of family planning like what 1997 shows! Contraceptive counseling, Birth control pills, Depp Porvera, Norplant, IUD, diaphrams, condoms, sterilization and at the bottom NFP.

Next paragraph: Services not covered for the purpose of family planning: Abortion, abortion counseling .

But the handbook dated 6/10/2010 under Chapter 8 Family Planning, but I have notes stating that I gave copies to Judie Brown and Bishop Olmsted 2004.

page 36 under chapter 8: 8.3 states: Prior authorization is required for ...sterilization or pregnancy termination. Prior authorization must be obtained before the services are rendered or the services will not be eligible for reimbursement.

To obtain authorization for Sterilization or Pregnancy termination: Complete applicable form(s) Schaller Anderson FAmily Planning services, available under the Provider REference Tool on the Mercy Care website and fax requests to:
Schaller Anderson, an Aetna Company, (602) 659-1965 Phoenix or (800) 573-4165

Now,the beginning of the handbook states: Chapter 1.1 About Southwest Catholic Health Network. Then it says, "Mercy Care is committed to promoting and facilitating quality health care services w/special concern for the Value upheld in Catholic teaching.

I can mail copies of only these pages. Again, both Bishop OBrien and Judie Brown of ALL were mailed copies. Judie black listed me and the dioceses pulled my newspaper and never to get it in the mail again.

That's ok, but it was nice to have to keep up with the dioceses"dog and pony show".

songbird · « **Reply #13 on:** May 12, 2015, 12:12:09 AM »

Now, after all these years, I am wondering, because the cat was out of the bag, that the Bishop may have needed to make a move. IF this was the case, he and Judie Brown were very crafty about how they made it look good for both of them. Sounds like communism!