Author Topic: pregnant girl at mass (Read 32946 times)

egoveritas · « **Reply #15 on:** June 12, 2012, 07:46:02 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Quote from: Nylndech
Perhaps take page from Jesus Christ

Be friendly to them

Maybe they feel surrounded by judging eyes

Help them feel welcome regardless of their situation

Giving cold shoulder or whispering about them only drive them away

? I don't know what you're talking about. Who wants to drive anyone away?

Who is giving them a cold shoulder? How is it gossip to speak of an unnamed person, whom I haven't pointed out, who anyone can see is pregnant?

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Driving people away from church doesn't help them or anyone

I wonder how often they attend SSPX these days.

I wonder how many times you attend sspx these days? what right have you bringing this girls situation into a public forum topic? how do you know she is not a member? For once in your life try to care for another's feelings. Stop judging people based on what you see and not what you know.

Nylndech · « **Reply #16 on:** June 12, 2012, 08:07:50 PM »

I concur

Sounds like juicy gossip

Had to tell someone

Went to CathInfo

Reminds me of myth tale

"King Midas has the ears of an ass"

Tell it to the reeds

Sigismund · « **Reply #17 on:** June 12, 2012, 08:33:17 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

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I agree with NyIndech- it's not really anyone's business is it?

Am I making it my business? I'm simply making an observation. Are we supposed to pretend things are better than they are? Or should we recognize when there is a problem?

There is a huge problem with illegitimacy and single motherhood in society as a whole.

Catholics need to be aware this problem is something that affects them. If you don't see pregnant unmarried girls at the SSPX chapels, maybe it's because they're sent off the indult.

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Young unmarried girls who find themselves expecting have to bear the consequences for many months and years, even if their sins are confessed and forgiven long ago. To come to Mass when they know others may be giving them the eye and looking at their ring finger takes courage.

Sure. But I think frankly, if this is response to someone pointing out that things are not going well among Trad youth, then it won't be long before there's no way to distinguish Trad youth from the youth of society at large.

Or perhaps because they had abortions. At least this girl didn't do that. And we don't even know that she isn't married.

Sigismund · « **Reply #18 on:** June 12, 2012, 08:34:33 PM »

Quote from: Nylndech

Perhaps take page from Jesus Christ

Be friendly to them

Maybe they feel surrounded by judging eyes

Help them feel welcome regardless of their situation

Giving cold shoulder or whispering about them only drive them away

Driving people away from church doesn't help them or anyone

To be fair, I don't see any indication that Telesphorus wanted to be anything other than friendly to them.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #19 on:** June 12, 2012, 08:39:20 PM »

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Or perhaps because they had abortions. At least this girl didn't do that. And we don't even know that she isn't married.

That's right. Things are not good at all. This isn't gossip. Getting pregnant out of wedlock is a cause of scandal. I am not naming the girl, I have no idea who she is. I just know that this is what is happening among Trads.

And the response is "don't throw stones."

Ultimately one reaches the mindset that illegitimacy is not a cause of scandal. The illegitimacy rate is over 40% in the USA.

Why is that? Isn't it because people decided getting pregnant out of wedlock is just a pecadillo, because fornication is considered normal?

Trads should be concerned about their youth, and the lax attitudes that are making it much more likely for young people to wander astray.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #20 on:** June 12, 2012, 10:38:36 PM »

My husband and I are considering adopting children and of course, we would raise the child as a traditional Catholic.....

Nadir · « **Reply #21 on:** June 13, 2012, 02:46:33 AM »

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My husband and I are considering adopting children and of course, we would raise the child as a traditional Catholic.....

I pray that you will be successful in your efforts if you decide to go ahead with the attempt to adopt. I also hope that you will not be discriminated against for being a "traditional Catholic". It is enough to say that you would raise the child as a Catholic. After all Catholicism is traditional in essence.

Saint Thomas More, Saint Clotilde, Saint William of Rochester, Patron Saints of Adoption. Pray for us.
St. Joseph, patron saint of families. Pray for us.

Thorn · « **Reply #22 on:** June 13, 2012, 09:49:42 AM »

"bear the consequences for many months & years"?!! Are you kidding me?
These girls have baby showers, congratulations poured on them, etc. It's no big deal now.

Many years ago this (child out of wedlock) was rare as it was considered a sin and the child was called a bastard.
Then, people thought that bastard was too harsh a word so the child was called illegitimate & there was an increase in the occurences.
In the 60's the child was called a love child, women actually flaunted it, especially movie 'stars' and the rate greatly increased.
Now, that we've been gently simmered over the years, it's just no big deal is it?

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #23 on:** June 13, 2012, 11:58:52 AM »

Tele,

Next time you see them, ask if they are married or planning the big day.

Sigismund · « **Reply #24 on:** June 13, 2012, 08:35:53 PM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

My husband and I are considering adopting children and of course, we would raise the child as a traditional Catholic.....

Adoptive and foster parents are heroes. Best of luck! :applause:

Sigismund · « **Reply #25 on:** June 13, 2012, 08:36:59 PM »

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"bear the consequences for many months & years"?!! Are you kidding me?
These girls have baby showers, congratulations poured on them, etc. It's no big deal now.

Many years ago this (child out of wedlock) was rare as it was considered a sin and the child was called a bastard.
Then, people thought that bastard was too harsh a word so the child was called illegitimate & there was an increase in the occurences.
In the 60's the child was called a love child, women actually flaunted it, especially movie 'stars' and the rate greatly increased.
Now, that we've been gently simmered over the years, it's just no big deal is it?

There is no need to call a child names, no matter who the child's parents are. How about just "child'?

Sigismund · « **Reply #26 on:** June 13, 2012, 08:40:01 PM »

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Quote from: Sigismund
Or perhaps because they had abortions. At least this girl didn't do that. And we don't even know that she isn't married.

That's right. Things are not good at all. This isn't gossip. Getting pregnant out of wedlock is a cause of scandal. I am not naming the girl, I have no idea who she is. I just know that this is what is happening among Trads.

And the response is "don't throw stones."

Ultimately one reaches the mindset that illegitimacy is not a cause of scandal. The illegitimacy rate is over 40% in the USA.

Why is that? Isn't it because people decided getting pregnant out of wedlock is just a pecadillo, because fornication is considered normal?

Trads should be concerned about their youth, and the lax attitudes that are making it much more likely for young people to wander astray.

I agree with you completely. I did not mean to suggest that you were engaging in gossip, since as you pointed out you gave no indication of the woman's name. I am simply happy that, however the conception came about, she did not kill her child, and she is in a Catholic Church. I hope that means that she and the father are happy and blessedly married, or that they soon will be.

Matthew · « **Reply #27 on:** June 13, 2012, 09:57:38 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Quote from: Thorn
"bear the consequences for many months & years"?!! Are you kidding me?
These girls have baby showers, congratulations poured on them, etc. It's no big deal now.

Many years ago this (child out of wedlock) was rare as it was considered a sin and the child was called a bastard.
Then, people thought that bastard was too harsh a word so the child was called illegitimate & there was an increase in the occurences.
In the 60's the child was called a love child, women actually flaunted it, especially movie 'stars' and the rate greatly increased.
Now, that we've been gently simmered over the years, it's just no big deal is it?

There is no need to call a child names, no matter who the child's parents are. How about just "child'?

On the contrary, words mean things. As long as something is different, it should have a different name.

And you certainly can't say an illegitimate child is the same as a legitimate child. After all, the Catholic Church doesn't think they're the same. Being illegitimate is one of the canonical impediments to becoming a priest.

Caraffa · « **Reply #28 on:** June 13, 2012, 11:52:56 PM »

There before the grace of God go I is what St. Paul said, yet he also wrote to expel evil doers from among you in 1 Corinthians 5. We are to judge those in the Church before we even think about judging those in the world. As I've said before, wherever sin and immorality are rampant, heresy is lying underneath.

If these two or anyone else for that matter have indeed committed this sin then they need to be disciplined and shamed, and not have people going about things like everything is just fine. There will be no Social Reign of Christ the King if we do not apply it in our own chapels first. We are not Erastian after all.

Condemning immorality on paper is nice, but it means next nothing if its not actually applied, and to be honest it does not matter how Traditionally Catholic you say you are or your local Trad chapel says there are on paper, if you and they are de facto liberal and marxist. Trads used to point this all the time when it came to Neo-Catholics, their NO Bishops and their opposition to gαy marriage, abortion, etc because these things effect the very nature of the Church.

To further explain what I'm saying, the idea that the Holy Ghost protects that Church's teachings on paper or on a magisterial docuмent and yet fails to implement and execute them on the micro-level is not only offensive to faith and reason but more importantly turns the Church's unity and visibility into meaningless terms, and makes the four primary marks of the Church mere legal fictions. This is one of the reasons why the Conciliar Church cannot be part of the True Church.

Thorn · « **Reply #29 on:** June 14, 2012, 02:12:07 AM »

Sigismund - did you understand what I wrote?
I was stating historical facts. I was not calling the child names. I was saying that that is what these children were called or referred to in various stages of history.

Maybe this will help you understand better:
At first, people from Africa were called or referred to as Negroes.
Later they were called colored.
Now they're called black or African-American.

This is not my doing. This is society talking.

Yes, that was nice that she didn't kill her child, for then she'd have 2 sins to answer for instead of one.

I could also say, "that was very nice of that brute who robbed me & beat me up. At least he didn't kill me." The fact remains that he still robbed & beat me up.

Get what I was writing now?