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Didn't you know the minimum wage workers aren't worth minimum wage? Only rich suburban high school teens work those jobs for spending money?  :stare: How supposedly pro-lifers support these GOP ideas boggles my mind.

That being said mostly the reason for the massive amount of welfare these days has to do with the destruction of the family, the sɛҳuąƖ liberation which has lead to single-mother households. You have to remember during the early days of the Great Depression there was no federal welfare until the enactment of the New Deal, and even then America was still in a horrible condition for much of the 1930's and 1940's.

If one looks at the black family today 9 out of 10 births are out of wedlock and in the white community it is about 50% I believe with Hispanics it is 7 out of 10 births out of wedlock.

I wonder if that has even been broken down between Mexican and Puerto Rican.  live in a Puerto Rican area and I would say it's higher than 7/10 and they start very young. There are exceptions but their attitudes are disrespectful, very anti-authority, anti-intellectual and very negligent parenting seems to be the norm. The Mexican families I know are family centered and value work, education, and they are good parents.

It got much better there eventually :) :) and it never seemed bad - just life as it is with nothing to compare to :).
And it's actually a nice memory :).

By the way - I do not take jobs from Australian men. I also consider most of men very hard working - if we go back to OP. however, it is hard to consider a man hardworking if he collects benefits while waiting for a good job to find him. He might be such, since there I s really situations with unemployment etc, but to be cautious about courting such man is quite ok.

On the other hand - if he can find a girl who is ok with that - well, it's possible (though life might grind to a halt due lack of transportation sometimes) :) :) :)

$7.25 an hour doesn't become reasonable because a person isn't starving or doesn't have his teeth falling out.

It's one thing to be grateful for what one has.  If someone robs me of $100 but leaves me $400 then yes I'm grateful to keep $400.

It doesn't mean robbery hasn't taken place.

Yes it's important to not take things for granted.  That has nothing to do with the justice of paying someone a wage that cannot truly cover basic necessities.  Indebtedness in America is only partially a choice.  The economic system depends on consumer debt.  A usury based system requires indebtedness, and that indebtedness must continue to grow over time.  So it is absolutely inevitable and unavoidable that a large volume of debt is carried in such a system.

As for men receiving benefits, I don't know of any.  The welfare state is mainly for women and children (as has been pointed out above).  So that they don't need to rely directly on men. (they rely indirectly through taxation on men)  Hence it is no longer considered necessary to help ensure the general employment of men at reasonable wages.

This has been done before.  When the lands were enclosed in England to benefit the rich and powerful the solution to the pauperization were Poor Law payments.  Eventually those receiving Poor Law money were sent to workhouses.

I would not be surprised if the same thing happens here eventually.

First the economic basis of employment for the lower classes is gutted.  That was made politically feasible by means of welfare.

If poverty starts to become widespread and severe they will probably start enforcing some sort of make-work employment/slavery on men.

Whoever said this hasn't the slightest idea of what they're talking about.

Most career woman who are married work because they want to, not because they have to.

It was some woman online arguing with men about feminism. :rolleyes:

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the pride to pay his own way.

Everyone is receiving money from someone.  Either for real work or for something else.

I really don't have any respect for a woman who talks about a "real man" supposedly "paying his own way" - given how women live in this society.

None at all.

A real man will not voluntarily slave away in a job that takes far more than it gives.  A real man is not a voluntary slave who submits to being cheated.

And while dishonest women may claim to respect slaves that she theoretically claims are "real men" - the reality of how women treat such men is entirely different.

Anyone who wants men to slave away in part-time menial jobs that will never go anywhere, without being compensated adequately for the sacrifice of time, while seeing their real talents go to waste is motivated by malice.

A job that doesn't pay a living wage is not a real job.  It's servitude.

Excellent comment, Telesphorus.