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Title: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: jman123 on March 22, 2022, 11:27:29 AM
https://thecatholicspirit.com/news/local-news/archbishop-hebda-bishop-williams-to-join-pope-francis-in-consecrating-ukraine-russia/

Prayer of consecration.

O Mary, Mother of God and our Mother,
in this time of trial we turn to you.
As our Mother, you love us and know us:
no concern of our hearts is hidden from you.
Mother of mercy, how often we have experienced
your watchful care and your peaceful presence!
You never cease to guide us to Jesus, the Prince of Peace.

Yet we have strayed from that path of peace.
We have forgotten the lesson learned from the tragedies of the last century, the sacrifice of the millions who fell in two world wars.
We have disregarded the commitments we made as a community of nations. We have betrayed peoples’ dreams of peace and the hopes of the young.
We grew sick with greed,
we thought only of our own nations and their interests,
we grew indifferent and caught up in our selfish needs and concerns.
We chose to ignore God,
to be satisfied with our illusions, to grow arrogant and aggressive,
to suppress innocent lives and to stockpile weapons.
We stopped being our neighbor’s keepers and stewards of our common home. We have ravaged the garden of the earth with war
and by our sins we have broken the heart of our heavenly Father,
who desires us to be brothers and sisters.
We grew indifferent to everyone and everything except ourselves.
Now with shame we cry out:
Forgive us, Lord!
Holy Mother,
amid the misery of our sinfulness, amid our struggles and weaknesses,
amid the mystery of iniquity that is evil and war,
you remind us that God never abandons us,
but continues to look upon us with love,
ever ready to forgive us and raise us up to new life.
He has given you to us and made your Immaculate Heart a refuge for the Church and for all humanity.
By God’s gracious will, you are ever with us;
even in the most troubled moments of our history, you are there to guide us with tender love.
We now turn to you and knock at the door of your heart. We are your beloved children.
In every age you make yourself known to us,
calling us to conversion.
At this dark hour, help us and grant us your comfort.
Say to us once more: “Am I not here, I who am your Mother?”
You are able to untie the knots of our hearts and of our times.
In you we place our trust.
We are confident that, especially in moments of trial,
you will not be deaf to our supplication and will come to our aid.
That is what you did at Cana in Galilee,
when you interceded with Jesus and he worked the first of his signs.
To preserve the joy of the wedding feast, you said to him: “They have no wine.” Now, O Mother, repeat those words and that prayer,
for in our own day we have run out of the wine of hope,
joy has fled, fraternity has faded.
We have forgotten our humanity and squandered the gift of peace.
We opened our hearts to violence and destructiveness.
How greatly we need your maternal help!

Therefore, O Mother, hear our prayer.
Star of the Sea, do not let us be shipwrecked in the tempest of war.
Ark of the New Covenant, inspire projects and paths of reconciliation. Queen of Heaven, restore God’s peace to the world.
Eliminate hatred and the thirst for revenge, and teach us forgiveness.
Free us from war, protect our world from the menace of nuclear weapons. Queen of the Rosary, make us realize our need to pray and to love.
Queen of the Human Family, show people the path of fraternity.
Queen of Peace, obtain peace for our world.

O Mother, may your sorrowful plea stir our hardened hearts. May the tears you shed for us
make this valley parched by our hatred blossom anew. Amid the thunder of weapons,
may your prayer turn our thoughts to peace.
May your maternal touch soothe those who suffer
and flee from the rain of bombs.
May your motherly embrace
comfort those forced to leave their homes and their native land. May your Sorrowful Heart move us to compassion and inspire us to open our doors
and to care for our brothers and sisters who are injured and cast aside.
Holy Mother of God, as you stood beneath the cross,
Jesus, seeing the disciple at your side, said: “Behold your son.”
In this way he entrusted each of us to you.
To the disciple, and to each of us, he said: “Behold, your Mother.”
Mother Mary, we now desire to welcome you into our lives and our history. At this hour, a weary and distraught humanity
stands with you beneath the cross, needing to entrust itself to you
and, through you, to consecrate itself to Christ.
The people of Ukraine and Russia,
who venerate you with great love,
now turn to you,
even as your heart beats with compassion for them
and for all those peoples decimated by war, hunger, injustice and poverty.
Therefore, Mother of God and our Mother,
to your Immaculate Heart
we solemnly entrust and consecrate ourselves,
the Church and all humanity,
especially Russia and Ukraine.
Accept this act that we carry out with confidence and love. Grant that war may end and peace spread throughout the world. The “Fiat” that arose from your heart
opened the doors of history to the Prince of Peace.
We trust that, through your heart, peace will dawn once more. To you we consecrate the future of the whole human family,
the needs and expectations of every people,
the anxieties and hopes of the world.
Through your intercession,
may God’s mercy be poured out on the earth
and the gentle rhythm of peace return to mark our days.
Our Lady of the “Fiat”, on whom the Holy Spirit descended,
restore among us the harmony that comes from God.
May you, our “living fountain of hope”, water the dryness of our hearts. In your womb Jesus took flesh;
help us to foster the growth of communion.
You once trod the streets of our world;
lead us now on the paths of peace.
Amen.



Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: Mithrandylan on March 22, 2022, 11:36:57 AM

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Queen of the Human Family, show people the path of fraternity.
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Lol nope.
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: Mark 79 on March 22, 2022, 11:45:00 AM
The тαℓмυdic anti-pope clearly does not understand "peace" as it should exist, Peace under the Social Reign of Christ the King.  Rabbi Jorge works for the indifferentist submission to the reign of the globohomo anti-Christ as he dares to feign the accomplice of Our Lady in his grievous destruction of all Truth and Good.
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: CathSarto on March 22, 2022, 11:47:19 AM
As this text is freemasonic it seems it may be actually sinful to participate in it.  Thoughts?

The sspx district is not only giving credence to it, but asking the faithful to join in. 
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: 2Vermont on March 22, 2022, 11:48:23 AM
How ecuмenical of him.
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: Stubborn on March 22, 2022, 12:00:08 PM
That prayer, sadly, reads exactly like all NO docuмents. 
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: Last Tradhican on March 22, 2022, 12:12:18 PM
Lots of worldly ecuмenical masonic language, but it does say consecrate, Immaculate Heart and Russia, LOL.

Unfortunately, it is not being done in union with the bishops or else our local SSPX would be telling us when and where to go to see the Diocese bishop do the consecration. I have not received any email notifications and I get emails all the time about trivial things.


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Therefore, Mother of God and our Mother,
to your Immaculate Heart
we solemnly entrust and consecrate ourselves,
the Church and all humanity,
especially Russia and Ukraine

Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: DigitalLogos on March 22, 2022, 12:18:14 PM
All they needed to say was something like:
"O Immaculate Heart of our Mother, in reparation for blasphemies against the Sacred Heart of your Son We solemnly consecrate Russia to your Immaculate Heart."

Instead we get a wordy mess of Modernism and ecuмenism which doesn't even do what Our Lady asked. Ridiculous, what a farce. :laugh2:

"And when you are praying, speak not much, as the heathens. For they think that in their much speaking they may be heard."
[Matthew 6:7]
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: Ladislaus on March 22, 2022, 12:30:19 PM
All they needed to say was something like:
"O Immaculate Heart of our Mother, in reparation for blasphemies against the Sacred Heart of your Son We solemnly consecrate Russia to your Immaculate Heart."

Instead we get a wordy mess of Modernism and ecuмenism which doesn't even do what Our Lady asked. Ridiculous, what a farce. :laugh2:

"And when you are praying, speak not much, as the heathens. For they think that in their much speaking they may be heard."
[Matthew 6:7]

Yes, this is ridiculous, and gives me a headache to read it as it's filled with Modernist nonsense.  Although, as I understand it, the consecration should be for blasphemies against the Immaculate Heart of Mary and not the Sacred Heart of Jesus.

This is not a "consecration of Russia".  It's a consecration of "humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine".  It's garbage and sidesteps what Our Lady requested.  In addition, there's no mention of reparation for blasphemies, just a desire for peace.  This is a total joke, but exactly what I expected from Bergoglio.

Our Blessed Mother did not ask for the consecration of "humanity".

As I said, I was hoping that he WOULD have complied ... with a simple consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in reparation for blasphemies against her (never mentioned by Bergoglio) in union with ALL the bishops (not by invitation alone).  Then, when nothing happened, we'd have even more proof that he's no pope.

This is a prayer of petition for peace, and not an act of reparation for blasphemies against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: DigitalLogos on March 22, 2022, 12:39:59 PM
This is a prayer of petition for peace, and not an act of reparation for blasphemies against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
And they will have peace, according to the plan.
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Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: RomanTheo on March 22, 2022, 12:47:48 PM
"Therefore, Mother of God and our Mother, to your Immaculate Heart we solemnly entrust and consecrate ourselves, the Church and all humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine."

Additional fluff and ecuмenical language no withstanding, this Consecration prayer satisfies the requirement of Fatima, and it is being performed by the Pope in union with all the world's bishops.  
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: DigitalLogos on March 22, 2022, 12:52:08 PM
"Therefore, Mother of God and our Mother, to your Immaculate Heart we solemnly entrust and consecrate ourselves, the Church and all humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine."

Additional fluff and ecuмenical language no withstanding, this Consecration prayer satisfies the requirement of Fatima, and it is being performed by the Pope in union with all the world's bishops. 
Lol no it isn't. The bishops were merely invited, that doesn't predicate that it will be with all of them, or even 20% of them.
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: Emile on March 22, 2022, 12:53:33 PM
"Therefore, Mother of God and our Mother, to your Immaculate Heart we solemnly entrust and consecrate ourselves, the Church and all humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine."

Additional fluff and ecuмenical language not withstanding, this Consecration prayer satisfies the requirement of Fatima, and it is being performed by the Pope in union with all the world's bishops. 
(https://i.imgur.com/nUhz0cx.png)
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: Gloria Tibi Domine on March 22, 2022, 12:54:25 PM
 Phony sentimental hogwash, Jorge. Just get to the point already! Oh, we got the point from you, as in needle point.  Pathetic. Just more proof that Francis is a complete fraud.
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: Ladislaus on March 22, 2022, 01:03:01 PM
Phony sentimental hogwash, Jorge. Just get to the point already! Oh, we got the point from you, as in needle point.  Pathetic. Just more proof that Francis is a complete fraud.

If I were God, I would reject this on the grounds of sappiness alone ... even if it said "I and the bishops of the world consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in reparation for the blasphemies and insults to which she has been subjected by mankind."  Invalidity ex adjunctis on account of the rest of that garbage in this text.

In fact, as soon as he got to "community of nations", God should pull the old gong out (like the Gong Show).

LOL, this reminds me of a time when my brother Steve, God rest his soul, was applying for High School (a Jesuit High School).  His grade school (both of these were NO) had an essay contest where he could win a $750 scholarship toward his tuition.  So my brothers and I joined up and stitched together this absurd and ludicrous parody of NO-speak, including phrases like "this community of sharing and caring", and, later, "a rainbow of caring and sharing", stitched together, one after another, meaninglessly, into an absurd tapestry of bovine excrement.  .... Steve won the scholarship, first prize.  We have laughed about that ever since.

When we went to our NO parish, before we knew of the Tridentine Mass, we had this thing we kept in our home that we called the "Wall of Sacrilege" where we would put up newspaper/magazine articles about various sacrilegious and blasphemous happenings at our parish and also "collected" various sacrilegious items.  Among other things, we appropriated the "15th Station".  We also had a copy of the infamous and little known "Glory & Praise Volume 4" ... which included great hits like "Giant Love Ball" song.
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: Pax Vobis on March 22, 2022, 02:28:32 PM
+Francis is asking for temporal peace and earthly help.  We might get what he asked for, temporarily, but it’s definitely not the long-term, SPIRITUAL solution of Fatima. 
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: 2Vermont on March 22, 2022, 02:59:51 PM
Anybody else notice that Fatima isn't even mentioned? 

I'm beginning to think all of the "excitement" about this being the "real" consecration was manufactured or imagined.

Exactly who thought this was supposed to be the Consecration per Fatima?  Clearly not Bergoglio.
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: ElwinRansom1970 on March 22, 2022, 03:14:49 PM
To state this in plain Amurikan English: Rabbi Berg ain't the Pope and this ain't no formula in accord with them apparaitions at Fatima and Tuy.
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: Kazimierz on March 22, 2022, 03:18:11 PM
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Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: DigitalLogos on March 22, 2022, 03:44:50 PM
Anybody else notice that Fatima isn't even mentioned? 

I'm beginning to think all of the "excitement" about this being the "real" consecration was manufactured or imagined.
It was most likely manufactured. As you already know well, the Tradservatives and Neo-SSPXers are eating it up.

I'm willing to bet the pre-Mass rosary intentions will omit asking for the Consecration of Russia in my chapel starting this Sunday... :facepalm:
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: Emile on March 22, 2022, 04:15:16 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/z5VoMSH.png)
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: Merry on March 22, 2022, 04:21:56 PM
Nothing about sin - or our offences against God.

Just "Almighty Man."

Certainly nothing about the sacrilegious crimes of the New Church/Vatican II.
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: Ladislaus on March 22, 2022, 04:29:28 PM
"Therefore, Mother of God and our Mother, to your Immaculate Heart we solemnly entrust and consecrate ourselves, the Church and all humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine."

Additional fluff and ecuмenical language no withstanding, this Consecration prayer satisfies the requirement of Fatima, and it is being performed by the Pope in union with all the world's bishops. 

I'm not sure where you get the "all" part of "with all the bishops of the world".  Seems to fall short.

In addition, this isn't a consecration of Russia.  This is a consecration of "ourselves, the Church, and all humanity" (with a shout-out to Ukraine and Russia as being part of that "humanity").  And even then, this shout-out happens to call out Russia and Ukraine, thereby distancing this even more from Our Lady's request, as if this is not really a response to her request, but an independent situation related to the current conflict.  Consequently, I would also have liked to see an explicit reference to this being a response to Our Lady's request at Fatima vs. a response to the current situation in Ukraine.

Nor is there any notion of making reparation for the blasphemies against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.  This is merely a prayer of petition (not reparation) asking for peace.

This seems to fall short.

I was hoping it would have met all the criteria, because it would have helped to resolve our dispute over whether Jorge Bergoglio is a legitimate pope.

I would also have felt better if they thought to mention Our Blessed Mother's name.  "Mother of God, our Blessed Mother Mary".  Otherwise, whose to know if by "Mother" Bergoglio doesn't mean Pachamama?  It's there at the beginnig but not right at the consecration.
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: Merry on March 22, 2022, 04:39:17 PM
Actually, is this the real formula that Francis is going to use?  Or is this just what the Arch. of St. Paul, MN is going to use?



And he apparently has asked the bishops of the world to join him -


https://thecatholicspirit.com/news/nation-and-world/from-the-pope/pope-asks-bishops-worldwide-to-join-consecration-of-ukraine-russia/
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Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: SimpleMan on March 22, 2022, 04:42:42 PM
If I were God, I would reject this on the grounds of sappiness alone ... even if it said "I and the bishops of the world consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in reparation for the blasphemies and insults to which she has been subjected by mankind."  Invalidity ex adjunctis on account of the rest of that garbage in this text.

In fact, as soon as he got to "community of nations", God should pull the old gong out (like the Gong Show).

LOL, this reminds me of a time when my brother Steve, God rest his soul, was applying for High School (a Jesuit High School).  His grade school (both of these were NO) had an essay contest where he could win a $750 scholarship toward his tuition.  So my brothers and I joined up and stitched together this absurd and ludicrous parody of NO-speak, including phrases like "this community of sharing and caring", and, later, "a rainbow of caring and sharing", stitched together, one after another, meaninglessly, into an absurd tapestry of bovine excrement.  .... Steve won the scholarship, first prize.  We have laughed about that ever since.

When we went to our NO parish, before we knew of the Tridentine Mass, we had this thing we kept in our home that we called the "Wall of Sacrilege" where we would put up newspaper/magazine articles about various sacrilegious and blasphemous happenings at our parish and also "collected" various sacrilegious items.  Among other things, we appropriated the "15th Station".  We also had a copy of the infamous and little known "Glory & Praise Volume 4" ... which included great hits like "Giant Love Ball" song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3HELtX1B5U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3HELtX1B5U)

When he said "you and I will be like love balls", I laughed so hard that I've still got tears in the corners of my eyes!
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: DigitalLogos on March 22, 2022, 04:55:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3HELtX1B5U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3HELtX1B5U)

When he said "you and I will be like love balls", I laughed so hard that I've still got tears in the corners of my eyes!
That song is...a travesty
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: TKGS on March 22, 2022, 05:06:05 PM
Amazing that anyone can say this is a "Prayer of consecration of Russia" when the prayer itself says it's for the Consecration of "ourselves, the Church, and all humanity".
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: Kazimierz on March 22, 2022, 05:08:56 PM
That song is...a travesty
love balls...cajones d'amour......

This song makes me want to shot some lead balls into all the insipid song books out there.

And some rubber ones into the arses of the respective masses.
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: Jacinta on March 22, 2022, 05:33:06 PM
Taken From: "The Whole Truth About Fatima" by Frere Michel de la Sainte Trinite (https://fatima.machado-family.com/vol2/#calibre_link-2292)


THE REQUEST FOR THE CONSECRATION OF RUSSIA

(Sister Lucia speaking about the apparition at Tuy, Spain; June 13th, 1929)

Then Our Lady said to me: “The moment has come when God asks the Holy Father to make, in union with all the bishops of the world, the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, promising to save it by this means.”

“So numerous are the souls which the justice of God condemns for sins committed against Me, that I come to ask for reparation. Sacrifice yourself for this intention and pray.”

I gave an account of this to my confessor, who ordered me to write what Our Lord willed to be done.


LATER ON, OUR LORD COMPLAINS

Later on, by means of an interior communication, Our Lord said to me, complaining: “They did not want to heed My request!... Like the King of France they will repent and do it, but it will be late. Russia will have already spread its errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecutions against the Church: the Holy Father will have much to suffer.”


THE MOST PRECISE REQUEST

Let us point out right away that in 1930, in two letters to Father Gonçalves, Sister Lucy was to express in a slightly different manner the requests of Heaven, closely associating the devotion of reparation on the Five First Saturdays of the Month with the Consecration of Russia:

"The good Lord promises to end the persecution in Russia, if the Holy Father will himself make a solemn act of reparation and consecration of Russia to the Sacred

Hearts of Jesus and Mary, as well as ordering all the bishops of the Catholic world to do the same. The Holy Father must then promise that upon the

ending of this persecution he will approve and recommend the practice of the reparatory devotion already described."*



*Letter received by Father Gonçalves on May 29, 1930 (Doc., p. 405). The letter of the following June 12, addressed to the same person, literally employs the same formula (Doc., p. 411) which indissolubly unites the Holy Hearts of Jesus and Mary.
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: B from A on March 22, 2022, 05:40:15 PM
LOL, this reminds me of a time when my brother Steve, God rest his soul, was applying for High School (a Jesuit High School).  His grade school (both of these were NO) had an essay contest where he could win a $750 scholarship toward his tuition.  So my brothers and I joined up and stitched together this absurd and ludicrous parody of NO-speak, including phrases like "this community of sharing and caring", and, later, "a rainbow of caring and sharing", stitched together, one after another, meaninglessly, into an absurd tapestry of bovine excrement.  .... Steve won the scholarship, first prize.  We have laughed about that ever since.

:laugh1:

Did you use this?  ;)

Newspeak Theology Buzzword Generator (https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/uploads/2012/01/Newspeak Theology Buzzword Generator.pdf)
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: Ladislaus on March 22, 2022, 06:03:36 PM
:laugh1:

Did you use this?  ;)

Newspeak Theology Buzzword Generator (https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/uploads/2012/01/Newspeak Theology Buzzword Generator.pdf)

Alas, this would have been a terrific resource, but we knew enough of these to piece our own together, and it sounded very much like this junk.
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: Ladislaus on March 22, 2022, 06:11:01 PM
Come on, guys.  Cary Landry is an all-time Novus Ordo Great.  He belongs in the Conciliar Hall of Fame, and it's a wonder that his cause hasn't been introduced in Rome.

Speaking of causes introduced, I hear that Bergoglio will "beatify" JPI later this year.  This string of saint-popes is unnrivalled since the early days of the Martyr Popes.  Saints Roncalli, Montini, Wojtyla, and (soon-to-be) Luciani.  Undoubtedly Ratzinger and Bergoglio will join them.  Shouts of "santo subito" will echo through Vatican City shortly after their demise.  We've had nearly a half century of Saint-Popes, as reflected in the unprecedented glory and triump of the Church since Roncalli's election in 1958.
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: SimpleMan on March 22, 2022, 06:14:16 PM
:laugh1:

Did you use this?  ;)

Newspeak Theology Buzzword Generator (https://forum.musicasacra.com/forum/uploads/2012/01/Newspeak Theology Buzzword Generator.pdf)

It's not the "Third World" anymore, it's the "Global South".

The new name might actually be more accurate, in that "Third World" originally meant simply those countries not aligned either with the USSR or USA/NATO.  "Global South" captures more the essence of those poorer countries, almost invariably of color, that "Third World" came to describe.

And they forgot to put anything in there about love balls.
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: RomanTheo on March 22, 2022, 06:58:47 PM
I'm not sure where you get the "all" part of "with all the bishops of the world".  Seems to fall short.

In addition, this isn't a consecration of Russia.  This is a consecration of "ourselves, the Church, and all humanity" (with a shout-out to Ukraine and Russia as being part of that "humanity"). 

No, it is a consecration "especially" of Russia and Ukraine, with a shout out to all of humanity, the Church and the world.  As a member of humanity, the Church and the world, but not Russia or Ukraine, I welcome the shout out.


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Nor is there any notion of making reparation for the blasphemies against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.  This is merely a prayer of petition (not reparation) asking for peace.

I've noticed a lot of new conditions popping up over the past several days.  The prayer itself does not have to mention reparation for blasphemies against the Immaculate Heart.  That is the intention of the related first Saturday devotion.  All that is required for the consecration is that Russia be consecrated to the Immaculate heart by the Pope and bishops of the world.


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This seems to fall short.

What is required element of the Consecration is missing?


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I was hoping it would have met all the criteria, because it would have helped to resolve our dispute over whether Jorge Bergoglio is a legitimate pope.

It does and it will.  You will soon know with 100% certainty, as I already do, that Francis is the Pope and that the Roman Catholic Church, which you call the "Conciliar Church," is the true Church with the four marks. 

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I would also have felt better if they thought to mention Our Blessed Mother's name.  "Mother of God, our Blessed Mother Mary".  Otherwise, whose to know if by "Mother" Bergoglio doesn't mean Pachamama?
 
Here are some of the titles that the prayer does contain: 

Oh Mary, Mother of God and our mother. ... Mother of mercy ... Therefore, O Mother, hear our prayer. Star of the Sea... Ark of the New Covenant... Queen of Heaven... Queen of the Rosary... Queen of Peace ... Holy Mother of God ... Mother Mary.

It should be clear to Catholics who he is referring to.
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: Ladislaus on March 22, 2022, 07:19:41 PM
What is required element of the Consecration is missing?

I'm not sure where you're getting in union with "all" the bishops.  And I disagree with your reading of this as being a consecration of Russia and Ukraine with a mention of humanity (and the Church).  Grammar makes it read entirely the other way around.

As for it being an act of reparation, that was the intention stated by Our Blessed Mother.  This was intended to be an act of reparation.  That intention is completely vitiated by the text that makes it clear that it's a prayer of petition for peace.
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: Ladislaus on March 22, 2022, 07:21:14 PM
That is the intention of the related first Saturday devotion.

That's incorrect.  Intention of BOTH the Saturday devotion AND the consecration were stated to be repetition.

You really are doing some creative reading and interpretation here.
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: Ladislaus on March 22, 2022, 07:21:40 PM
Of course, the main requirement missing here is that it be done by the Pope.  Bergoglio is not the pope.
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: ElwinRansom1970 on March 22, 2022, 07:32:10 PM
Of course, the main requirement missing here is that it be done by the Pope.  Bergoglio is not the pope.
More than that, Rabbi Berg is doubtfully a bishop. And, if the initial Spanish translation of the 1968 Ordination Rite was as bad as the English translation, he might not even be a priest.
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: Ladislaus on March 22, 2022, 07:35:02 PM
Our Lady to Sister Lucia at Tuy, 1929:

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Then Our Lady said to me: “ The moment has come when God asks the Holy Father to make, in union with all the bishops of the world, the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, promising to save it by this means.”

 So numerous are the souls that the justice of God condemns for sins committed against Me, that I come to ask for reparation. Sacrifice yourself for this intention and pray.”

Sister Lucia elaborated in 1930:

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The good Lord promises to end the persecution in Russia, if the Holy Father will himself make a solemn act of reparation and consecration of Russia to the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary, as well as ordering all the bishops of the Catholic world to do the same.

I don't think Bergoglio's "invitation" counts as "ordering all the bishops ... to do the same"
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: DigitalLogos on March 23, 2022, 08:02:00 AM
Interesting to see some here dig through this pile of shit just to pull out little kernels that fit their definition of a consecration.

Kind of like how Vatican II and its teachings are treated.
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: 2Vermont on March 23, 2022, 04:47:49 PM
Interesting to see some here dig through this pile of shit just to pull out little kernels that fit their definition of a consecration.

Kind of like how Vatican II and its teachings are treated.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.

I think that this "consecration" is the new litmus test for bishops.  No true Catholic bishop would pray this modernist mockery in union with Bergoglio.  
Title: Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
Post by: 2Vermont on March 23, 2022, 05:02:37 PM
I was hoping it would have met all the criteria, because it would have helped to resolve our dispute over whether Jorge Bergoglio is a legitimate pope.

Although that would be nice, I don't believe that it would.