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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2022, 06:03:36 PM »
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  • :laugh1:

    Did you use this?  ;)

    Newspeak Theology Buzzword Generator

    Alas, this would have been a terrific resource, but we knew enough of these to piece our own together, and it sounded very much like this junk.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
    « Reply #31 on: March 22, 2022, 06:11:01 PM »
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  • Come on, guys.  Cary Landry is an all-time Novus Ordo Great.  He belongs in the Conciliar Hall of Fame, and it's a wonder that his cause hasn't been introduced in Rome.

    Speaking of causes introduced, I hear that Bergoglio will "beatify" JPI later this year.  This string of saint-popes is unnrivalled since the early days of the Martyr Popes.  Saints Roncalli, Montini, Wojtyla, and (soon-to-be) Luciani.  Undoubtedly Ratzinger and Bergoglio will join them.  Shouts of "santo subito" will echo through Vatican City shortly after their demise.  We've had nearly a half century of Saint-Popes, as reflected in the unprecedented glory and triump of the Church since Roncalli's election in 1958.


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    Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
    « Reply #32 on: March 22, 2022, 06:14:16 PM »
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  • :laugh1:

    Did you use this?  ;)

    Newspeak Theology Buzzword Generator

    It's not the "Third World" anymore, it's the "Global South".

    The new name might actually be more accurate, in that "Third World" originally meant simply those countries not aligned either with the USSR or USA/NATO.  "Global South" captures more the essence of those poorer countries, almost invariably of color, that "Third World" came to describe.

    And they forgot to put anything in there about love balls.

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    Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
    « Reply #33 on: March 22, 2022, 06:58:47 PM »
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  • I'm not sure where you get the "all" part of "with all the bishops of the world".  Seems to fall short.

    In addition, this isn't a consecration of Russia.  This is a consecration of "ourselves, the Church, and all humanity" (with a shout-out to Ukraine and Russia as being part of that "humanity"). 

    No, it is a consecration "especially" of Russia and Ukraine, with a shout out to all of humanity, the Church and the world.  As a member of humanity, the Church and the world, but not Russia or Ukraine, I welcome the shout out.


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    Nor is there any notion of making reparation for the blasphemies against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.  This is merely a prayer of petition (not reparation) asking for peace.

    I've noticed a lot of new conditions popping up over the past several days.  The prayer itself does not have to mention reparation for blasphemies against the Immaculate Heart.  That is the intention of the related first Saturday devotion.  All that is required for the consecration is that Russia be consecrated to the Immaculate heart by the Pope and bishops of the world.


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    This seems to fall short.

    What is required element of the Consecration is missing?


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    I was hoping it would have met all the criteria, because it would have helped to resolve our dispute over whether Jorge Bergoglio is a legitimate pope.

    It does and it will.  You will soon know with 100% certainty, as I already do, that Francis is the Pope and that the Roman Catholic Church, which you call the "Conciliar Church," is the true Church with the four marks. 

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    I would also have felt better if they thought to mention Our Blessed Mother's name.  "Mother of God, our Blessed Mother Mary".  Otherwise, whose to know if by "Mother" Bergoglio doesn't mean Pachamama?
     
    Here are some of the titles that the prayer does contain: 

    Oh Mary, Mother of God and our mother. ... Mother of mercy ... Therefore, O Mother, hear our prayer. Star of the Sea... Ark of the New Covenant... Queen of Heaven... Queen of the Rosary... Queen of Peace ... Holy Mother of God ... Mother Mary.

    It should be clear to Catholics who he is referring to.

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    Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
    « Reply #34 on: March 22, 2022, 07:19:41 PM »
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  • What is required element of the Consecration is missing?

    I'm not sure where you're getting in union with "all" the bishops.  And I disagree with your reading of this as being a consecration of Russia and Ukraine with a mention of humanity (and the Church).  Grammar makes it read entirely the other way around.

    As for it being an act of reparation, that was the intention stated by Our Blessed Mother.  This was intended to be an act of reparation.  That intention is completely vitiated by the text that makes it clear that it's a prayer of petition for peace.


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    Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
    « Reply #35 on: March 22, 2022, 07:21:14 PM »
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  • That is the intention of the related first Saturday devotion.

    That's incorrect.  Intention of BOTH the Saturday devotion AND the consecration were stated to be repetition.

    You really are doing some creative reading and interpretation here.

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    Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
    « Reply #36 on: March 22, 2022, 07:21:40 PM »
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  • Of course, the main requirement missing here is that it be done by the Pope.  Bergoglio is not the pope.

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    Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
    « Reply #37 on: March 22, 2022, 07:32:10 PM »
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  • Of course, the main requirement missing here is that it be done by the Pope.  Bergoglio is not the pope.
    More than that, Rabbi Berg is doubtfully a bishop. And, if the initial Spanish translation of the 1968 Ordination Rite was as bad as the English translation, he might not even be a priest.
    "I distrust every idea that does not seem obsolete and grotesque to my contemporaries."
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    Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
    « Reply #38 on: March 22, 2022, 07:35:02 PM »
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  • Our Lady to Sister Lucia at Tuy, 1929:

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    Then Our Lady said to me: “ The moment has come when God asks the Holy Father to make, in union with all the bishops of the world, the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, promising to save it by this means.”

     So numerous are the souls that the justice of God condemns for sins committed against Me, that I come to ask for reparation. Sacrifice yourself for this intention and pray.”

    Sister Lucia elaborated in 1930:

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    The good Lord promises to end the persecution in Russia, if the Holy Father will himself make a solemn act of reparation and consecration of Russia to the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary, as well as ordering all the bishops of the Catholic world to do the same.

    I don't think Bergoglio's "invitation" counts as "ordering all the bishops ... to do the same"

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    Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
    « Reply #39 on: March 23, 2022, 08:02:00 AM »
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  • Interesting to see some here dig through this pile of shit just to pull out little kernels that fit their definition of a consecration.

    Kind of like how Vatican II and its teachings are treated.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
    « Reply #40 on: March 23, 2022, 04:47:49 PM »
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  • Interesting to see some here dig through this pile of shit just to pull out little kernels that fit their definition of a consecration.

    Kind of like how Vatican II and its teachings are treated.
    There are none so blind as those who will not see.

    I think that this "consecration" is the new litmus test for bishops.  No true Catholic bishop would pray this modernist mockery in union with Bergoglio.  


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    Re: Prayer of consecration of Russia released
    « Reply #41 on: March 23, 2022, 05:02:37 PM »
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  • I was hoping it would have met all the criteria, because it would have helped to resolve our dispute over whether Jorge Bergoglio is a legitimate pope.

    Although that would be nice, I don't believe that it would.