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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Posting Porn is OK?
« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2019, 06:38:04 AM »
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  • Unfortunately, if you want the freedom to say that Allah is a false prophet, then you must allow muslims to say that Jesus was a false prophet.

    See, that is not Traditional Catholic teaching, according to which only the truth has a right to be expressed.  Errors and false religions harm souls.  You can only say this from the standpoint of total relativism.  To equate saying that Allah is false with saying Jesus is false is completely invalid, since one of those is true and the other is not.

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    Re: Posting Porn is OK?
    « Reply #31 on: November 28, 2019, 06:43:22 AM »
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  • See, that is not Traditional Catholic teaching, according to which only the truth has a right to be expressed.  Errors and false religions harm souls.  You can only say this from the standpoint of total relativism.  To equate saying that Allah is false with saying Jesus is false is completely invalid, since one of those is true and the other is not.
    We agree on this doctrine but we will have to agree to disagree on the consequences.
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    You will have to accept that, in your and others' opinion, I am a bad Catholic. I hope that God will judge me differently.
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    I will now retire from this thread due to lack of time, not lack of interest. Thank you to all who contributed to his thread.

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    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Posting Porn is OK?
    « Reply #32 on: November 28, 2019, 09:14:24 AM »
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  • Seriously disordered.

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    Re: Posting Porn is OK?
    « Reply #33 on: November 28, 2019, 09:29:35 AM »
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  • See, that is not Traditional Catholic teaching, according to which only the truth has a right to be expressed.  Errors and false religions harm souls.  You can only say this from the standpoint of total relativism.  To equate saying that Allah is false with saying Jesus is false is completely invalid, since one of those is true and the other is not.
    I think his point regarding this is that we don't live in a Catholic society. A lack of free speech wouldn't mean a ban on saying Jesus is a false god, it'd mean a ban on stating Catholic dogma, for example that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is intrinsically disordered.

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    Re: Posting Porn is OK?
    « Reply #34 on: November 28, 2019, 10:18:18 AM »
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  • I think his point regarding this is that we don't live in a Catholic society. A lack of free speech wouldn't mean a ban on saying Jesus is a false god, it'd mean a ban on stating Catholic dogma, for example that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is intrinsically disordered.
    This is why I think we need to make the distinction between an intrinsic right to free speech and situations in which it may be prudent to tolerate errors.  Even though we know from Church teaching that error has no rights, this principle may need to be applied differently in a Catholic state and a non-Catholic state.  

    The particular example you give, however, does not work well.  On the contrary, it shows that assenting to the false idea of free speech does not ensure our ability to freely express Catholic teaching.  In some places, saying that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is intrinsically disordered is classified as "hate speech" and therefore an exception to laws protecting freedom of speech.


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    Re: Posting Porn is OK?
    « Reply #35 on: November 28, 2019, 10:41:22 AM »
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  • We agree on this doctrine but we will have to agree to disagree on the consequences.
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    You will have to accept that, in your and others' opinion, I am a bad Catholic. I hope that God will judge me differently.
    What God thinks about this issue has been expressed in the various quotes from Church teaching that have been cited in this and other threads.  You are taking a position diametrically opposed to Catholicism.  

    What you are doing is not the same as people who question or even reject teachings from Vatican II that (seem to) contradict previous Church teaching.  Such people are not denying the Church's authority to teach.  If anything, they affirm it.  You are not looking to the Church at all, but throwing out her teaching because it does not seem right to you.

    Not only will God judge you, but your future self will look back on the thoughts you are expressing here.  I hope that with time and study you will learn to think in a more Catholic way.  If you do, you may end up feeling as embarrassed and regretful as I do about my early posts on trad forums.  I wish that I had focused on learning rather than arguing.  I see that you already decided to drop this topic, but your reason seemed to be primarily lack of time.  Your reason should ideally be a recognition that you are far to new to traditional Catholicism to understand it well. 

    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Posting Porn is OK?
    « Reply #36 on: November 28, 2019, 10:54:00 AM »
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  • This is why I think we need to make the distinction between an intrinsic right to free speech and situations in which it may be prudent to tolerate errors.  Even though we know from Church teaching that error has no rights, this principle may need to be applied differently in a Catholic state and a non-Catholic state.  

    The particular example you give, however, does not work well.  On the contrary, it shows that assenting to the false idea of free speech does not ensure our ability to freely express Catholic teaching.  In some places, saying that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is intrinsically disordered is classified as "hate speech" and therefore an exception to laws protecting freedom of speech.

    If I correctly remember, the Church "tolerates" freedom of speech only when it has no power to do otherwise. Perhaps it expresses the "tolerance" as a prudential matter, but that kind of subjectivism/relativism smacks of тαℓмυdic style.

    "Is it good for the Jews" morphed large into "Is it good for the Catholics?"


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    Re: Posting Porn is OK?
    « Reply #37 on: November 28, 2019, 11:04:06 AM »
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  • If I correctly remember, the Church "tolerates" freedom of speech only when it has no power to do otherwise. Perhaps it expresses the "tolerance" as a prudential matter, but that kind of subjectivism/relativism smacks of тαℓмυdic style.
    I am hoping that more knowledgeable posters can expand on the topic of tolerating error.  I do not know much about the conditions for this.  I just thought it would be useful to make the distinction between toleration and claiming that something is a God-given right.


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    Re: Posting Porn is OK?
    « Reply #38 on: November 28, 2019, 11:12:14 AM »
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  • IIRC this topic is covered in Solange Hertz's Americanism. If there wasn't a ton of Thanksgiving preps to still be done, I'd pull it out, but… (more excuse to follow).  :D

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    Re: Posting Porn is OK?
    « Reply #39 on: November 28, 2019, 11:43:57 AM »
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  • And We are all sinners and we are all learning to love Jesus.  

    Our society today is in chaos because these “freedoms” which are making us slaves. 

    Freedom of religion is placing false gods equal to Jesus.  This is why we have a Pope worshipping a false goddess.  

    No one has a right to post porn.   If we allow it, we are accomplice to sin.  Look how pornography has destroyed marriages and families.  And yes, we are to pray for people who are gαy and lost. There are nine ways of being accomplice to sin.  

    Abortion used to be illegal as murder should.   

    God’s law is above man’s laws.  

    Europe, USA should be Catholic but the faith was watered down by the lukewarm.  It was Catholics fighting and dying for USA while opportunist men with very little religion implemented a Masonic government. 

    The first Thanksgiving was Catholic and there was the Te Deum.  

    You aren’t a “bad Catholic”.  You are like me and so many other Catholics.  Poorly formed Catholics but as you grow in faith, you will see truth in Christ.  Reading the douay rheims bible has helped me.  







    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Posting Porn is OK?
    « Reply #40 on: November 28, 2019, 11:48:25 AM »
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  • Yes, Social reign of Jesus. 
    May God bless you and keep you


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    Re: Posting Porn is OK?
    « Reply #41 on: November 28, 2019, 11:56:48 PM »
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  • If I correctly remember, the Church "tolerates" freedom of speech only when it has no power to do otherwise. Perhaps it expresses the "tolerance" as a prudential matter, but that kind of subjectivism/relativism smacks of тαℓмυdic style.

    "Is it good for the Jews" morphed large into "Is it good for the Catholics?"



    Only 2 rules in Jew World Order: Rule 1 -- Jew is always right.  Rule 2 -- When Jew is wrong Rule 1 takes precedence.

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    Re: Posting Porn is OK?
    « Reply #42 on: November 29, 2019, 12:05:19 AM »
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  • IIRC this topic is covered in Solange Hertz's Americanism. If there wasn't a ton of Thanksgiving preps to still be done, I'd pull it out, but… (more excuse to follow).  :D
    https://www.tumblarhouse.com/products/the-star-spangled-heresy-americanism-solange-hertz




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    "That the Church and State ought to be separated is an absolutely false and pernicious error ... It limits the action of the State exclusively to the pursuit of public prosperity during this life, though this is only the proximate raison d'etre of political societies." - Pope St. Pius X in Vehementer
    "It is unlawful to follow one line of conduct in private life and another in public, respecting privately the authority of the Church, but publicly rejecting it; for this would amount to joining together good and evil, and to putting man in conflict with himself; whereas he ought always to be consistent, and never in the least point not in any condition of life to swerve from Christian virtue." - Leo XIII in Immortale Dei

    "Believe me, the evil I denounce is more terrible than the Revolution, more terrible even than the Commune. I have always condemned liberal Catholicism, and I will condemn it forty times over if it be necessary!" - Pius IX

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    Re: Posting Porn is OK?
    « Reply #43 on: November 29, 2019, 08:56:25 AM »
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  • Thank you for all that.


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    Re: Posting Porn is OK?
    « Reply #44 on: November 29, 2019, 11:48:10 AM »
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  • ... for example the part that refers to the doctrine of Vatican II. If it were not for freedom of speech, you would not be allowed to criticize it.
    Be on guard because your adversary the devil will come like a theif in the night.