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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
« Reply #195 on: March 20, 2022, 01:11:39 PM »
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  • Father covered this from the pulpit today. He's cautiously optimistic about it himself, and made some good points about God using poor material for great things in regard to Francis.

     I don't share this same optimism, but, the one thing I did agree with was to wait and see what fruits come from it.

    "Poor Material"?  These guys constantly understate what's going on, spinning it as if these guys are just "defective" or "weak in faith".  They're deliberately destroying the Church.  They are infiltrators working on behalf of the Judae-Masonic-Communist World Order.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #196 on: March 20, 2022, 01:15:41 PM »
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  • "Poor Material"?  These guys constantly understate what's going on, spinning it as if these guys are just "defective" or "weak in faith".  They're deliberately destroying the Church.  They are infiltrators working on behalf of the Judae-Masonic-Communist World Order.
    Yep. That was my impression too. I get what he was saying, as why I said they were "good points" but he has to convert to Catholicism first.
     Unfortunately, Father thinks sedevacantism stems from making judgments about Francis's interior forum rather than his heretical actions. It's unfortunate he's taken such a position, otherwise he's a solid priest.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #197 on: March 20, 2022, 01:21:51 PM »
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  • Wait for fruits? What fruits would that be?  How long do you wait?  How does an apostate consecration render fruits?  If the Dalai Lama did the consecration would we expect "fruits" of any sort?


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #198 on: March 20, 2022, 01:22:47 PM »
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  • Yep. That was my impression too. I get what he was saying, as why I said they were "good points" but he has to convert to Catholicism first.
     Unfortunately, Father thinks sedevacantism stems from making judgments about Francis's interior forum rather than his heretical actions. It's unfortunate he's taken such a position, otherwise he's a solid priest.
    Matthew 24:24 again came to mind while Father was talking about this supposed consecration.
    "For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect."

    I have a bad feeling, given the reaction of the SSPX and Fatima Center, among others, that we are being set up for a deception here. I hope I am wrong, I want to be wrong, but the suddenness of this act especially in light of TC and the persecution of tradition, makes me think speculation about this being yet another step towards the NWO is correct.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #199 on: March 20, 2022, 01:24:26 PM »
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  • Wait for fruits? What fruits would that be?  How long do you wait?  How does an apostate consecration render fruits?  If the Dalai Lama did the consecration would we expect "fruits" of any sort?
    The only "fruits" I can discern is Francis being shown for the false pope that he is or being struck down publicly. Otherwise, its another play of the same magnitude as SP under Ratzinger to snare traditionalists.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #200 on: March 20, 2022, 01:35:22 PM »
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  • Unfortunately, Father thinks sedevacantism stems from making judgments about Francis's interior forum rather than his heretical actions. 

    Sedevacantism is only secondarily about the pope at all (whether interior dispositions or heretical actions).  It's about what we believe about the Catholic Church.

    R&R:  Church is capable of teaching grave error, of leading souls to hell, and of promulgating a Rite of Mass (Church's publish worship) that undermines faith and offends God.

    SV:  Church can't do that.

    THIS is what the SV vs. R&R conflict is about, and often it descends down into the weeds where people lose sight of the big picture.

    Conservative Novus Ordo agree with SV, while liberal Novus Ordo agree with R&R on this MAJOR (of the entire crisis).

    MAJOR:  Catholic Church cannot do such evil (SVs + Conservative NO) - rejected by R&R and Liberal NO
    MINOR:  Conciliar Church did such evils. (SVs + R&R) -- rejected by Conservative NO + Liberal NO
    CONCLUSION:  Conciliar Church is not the Catholic Church (SVs)

    *Liberal NOs like the reforms, but might think, for example, that the Church did evil in the past

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #201 on: March 20, 2022, 01:37:10 PM »
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  • If there had not been a Vatican II and a NOM, I could hardly care less about Bergoglio's personal heresies (either internal or external).  That would not be my problem, nor my job to deal with.  It only became our problem as the Conciliar Church ruined our Catholic institutions with its errors.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #202 on: March 20, 2022, 02:01:58 PM »
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  • Yes- It may as well be  Klaus Schwab consecrating Russia (and Ukraine). It's pretty much the same thing.


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #203 on: March 20, 2022, 03:35:47 PM »
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  • Sedevacantism is only secondarily about the pope at all (whether interior dispositions or heretical actions).  It's about what we believe about the Catholic Church.

    R&R:  Church is capable of teaching grave error, of leading souls to hell, and of promulgating a Rite of Mass (Church's publish worship) that undermines faith and offends God.


     With a lot of hindsight, we can see how R&R validated and extended the newChurch revolution.  

    It is a brilliant construct.

    The SSPX laid the ground rules for R&R, embracing the Bugnini/Montini 62’ Missal and labeling any lover of tradition a schismatic or sedvacantist who dared to disagree with them.

    Francis keeps a statue of Judas Iscariot in his office.
     
    It must be a reminder to the jew-pope that there will always be holy religious who will sell out for fortune & fame.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #204 on: March 20, 2022, 04:07:05 PM »
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  • Sedevacantism is only secondarily about the pope at all (whether interior dispositions or heretical actions).  It's about what we believe about the Catholic Church.

    R&R:  Church is capable of teaching grave error, of leading souls to hell, and of promulgating a Rite of Mass (Church's publish worship) that undermines faith and offends God.

    SV:  Church can't do that.
    Interesting how sedes view this.

    From R&R point of view:

    R&R:  The pope is capable of teaching grave error, of leading souls to hell, and of promulgating a Rite of Mass (Church's publish worship) that undermines faith and offends God.

    SV:  The pope can't do that.

    People that are led to hell are always led of their own free will, not one of them are forced to follow anyone to hell - or to heaven for that matter. It is by Divine design that the direction we choose to take is ultimately the result of our own free will.

    You may need to contemplate that for a bit, I don't know, but use yourself and even all trads as an example of this truth. You really should cease from exempting any blame at all on all the people who of their own free will choose to be led to hell - and I think that all of your syllogisms would be a lot more interesting if you remembered this, as well as remembering that the pope is not The Church, when making them.   


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    Conservative Novus Ordo agree with SV, while liberal Novus Ordo agree with R&R on this MAJOR (of the entire crisis).

    MAJOR:  Catholic Church cannot do such evil (SVs + Conservative NO) - rejected by R&R and Liberal NO
    MINOR:  Conciliar Church did such evils. (SVs + R&R) -- rejected by Conservative NO + Liberal NO
    CONCLUSION:  Conciliar Church is not the Catholic Church (SVs)

    *Liberal NOs like the reforms, but might think, for example, that the Church did evil in the past
    R&R:
    MAJOR:  Catholic Church cannot do such evil. (all)
    MINOR:  Conciliar Church can and do such evils. (R&R and SV)
    CONCLUSION:  Conciliar Church is not the Catholic Church. (R&R and SV)

    All NOers (if they ever heard of it), reject the idea of a conciliar church that's not Catholic. For that matter, there are many R&R and SV who also reject the idea of a conciliar church that's not Catholic.


    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #205 on: March 20, 2022, 04:23:16 PM »
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  • Francis keeps a statue of Judas Iscariot in his office.

    And also a painting.  Not sure if Bergoglio prays to Judas, for his intercession, or whether he just keeps that stuff around to thumb his nose at the Church's EENS dogma or the very possibility that anyone could be damned, ... or if he revels in Judas' evil deed of betraying Christ even as he betrays and destroys the Church (as a Luciferian).  Only God truly knows what is in that man's mind and soul, but he's certainly not recognizable as a Catholic.



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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #206 on: March 20, 2022, 07:49:11 PM »
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  • I am of the impression that Francis is doing this upcoming act primarily, if not solely, because a tremendous amount of publicity (at least in the Catholic media) was generated when the Ukrainian Bishops formally and publicly requested him to do it and to refuse to do it would be very bad press for him.  He would be caught in a real bind trying to explain his way out of refusing in light of the fact that it was the Ukrainian bishops themselves who were beseeching him to do it.  It would seem quite difficult for him to beg out of it.  

    Query as to why the Russian bishops did not join in with their fellow Ukrainian bishops! And still have not or if they have it has not been made public.  Did they even know that their Ukrainian counterparts were going to make this request?  It is just one more example of how incredibly disunited the Church is.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #207 on: March 20, 2022, 09:20:28 PM »
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  • Catholic Encyclopedia

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    St. John supposes in his Epistles that the early Christians are acquainted with the teaching concerning the coming of Antichrist. "You have heard that Antichrist cometh" (1 John 2:18); "This is Antichrist, of whom you have heard that he cometh" (1 John 4:3). Though the Apostle speaks of several Antichrists, he distinguishes between the many and the one principal agent: "Antichrist cometh, even now there are become many Antichrists" (1 John 2:18). Again, the writer outlines the character and work of Antichrist: "They went out from us, but they were not of us" (1 John 2:19); "Who is a liar, but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is Antichrist, who denies the Father, and the Son" (1 John 2:22); "And every spirit that dissolveth Jesus, is not of God; and this is Antichrist" (1 John 4:3); "For many seducers are gone out into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh: this is a seducer and an Antichrist" (2 John 7). Also the time, the Apostle places the coming of Antichrist at "the last hour" (1 John 2:18); again he maintains that "he is now already in the world" (1 John 4:3).

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    I'm so tired of the good pope vs bad pope false paradigm.


    Both Benedict and Francis went to the Wailing Wall which is a public sign of denouncing of the Holy Sacrifice of Jesus (and prayer to the female Shekhinah?) and waiting for the coming of the Moshiach (Antichrist) and building of the third temple.


    What's more is that both have made many statements showing they would be considered antichrists by St John the Apostle.

    Benedict said Jєωs don't need to be converted. 

    St John would call him an antichrist.






    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #208 on: March 20, 2022, 09:36:57 PM »
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  • Catholic Encyclopedia

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    St. John supposes in his Epistles that the early Christians are acquainted with the teaching concerning the coming of Antichrist. "You have heard that Antichrist cometh" (1 John 2:18); "This is Antichrist, of whom you have heard that he cometh" (1 John 4:3). Though the Apostle speaks of several Antichrists, he distinguishes between the many and the one principal agent: "Antichrist cometh, even now there are become many Antichrists" (1 John 2:18). Again, the writer outlines the character and work of Antichrist: "They went out from us, but they were not of us" (1 John 2:19); "Who is a liar, but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is Antichrist, who denies the Father, and the Son" (1 John 2:22); "And every spirit that dissolveth Jesus, is not of God; and this is Antichrist" (1 John 4:3); "For many seducers are gone out into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh: this is a seducer and an Antichrist" (2 John 7). Also the time, the Apostle places the coming of Antichrist at "the last hour" (1 John 2:18); again he maintains that "he is now already in the world" (1 John 4:3).

    Taylor Marshall

    What if "2 Popes" do a "Double Consecration" of Russia?
    4min 12sec





    I'm so tired of the good pope vs bad pope false paradigm.


    Both Benedict and Francis went to the Wailing Wall which is a public sign of denouncing of the Holy Sacrifice of Jesus (and prayer to the female Shekhinah?) and waiting for the coming of the Moshiach (Antichrist) and building of the third temple.


    What's more is that both have made many statements showing they would be considered antichrists by St John the Apostle.

    Benedict said Jєωs don't need to be converted. 

    St John would call him an antichrist.

    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #209 on: March 20, 2022, 10:11:03 PM »
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  • With a lot of hindsight, we can see how R&R validated and extended the newChurch revolution. 

    It is a brilliant construct.

    The SSPX laid the ground rules for R&R, embracing the Bugnini/Montini 62’ Missal and labeling any lover of tradition a schismatic or sedvacantist who dared to disagree with them.

    Francis keeps a statue of Judas Iscariot in his office.
     
    It must be a reminder to the Jєω-pope that there will always be holy religious who will sell out for fortune & fame.

    Pardon me, but... WTF???