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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
« Reply #180 on: March 19, 2022, 12:09:28 PM »
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  • We all know that Bergoglio's intention is that Globohomo would prevail and that the world would be made safe for LGBTQ and for the West to spread degeneracy and sodomy freely throghout the world, and that they can continue to force the immoral abortion-stained jab on all the "freed" people of the world.  He'll also ask Our Lady to suppress once and for all the Tridentine Mass and dispel those evil Traditionalists.

    Undoubtedly, if he consecrates and nothing happens, he'll shake his fist at God and exclaim "it was all a pack of lies" (as he blasphemously claims Our Lady may have done).


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #181 on: March 19, 2022, 12:13:13 PM »
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  • I do not know if anyone posted this, I have not read anything on this thread but here it is:

    From - Pope's Consecration, Ukraine & Good Excommunication (traditioninaction.org)

    Here are the actual words of the Vatican newspaper:

    "Friday March 25, during the Celebration of Penance that he will preside over at 5:00 pm in St. Peter's Basilica, Pope Francis will consecrate Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. The same act, on the same day, will be made in Fatima by Cardinal Konrad Krajewski, the Papal Almoner, as a representative of the Pope."

    This was declared yesterday afternoon by the Director of the Holy See Press Office Matteo Bruni.


    Therefore, sadly there is no basis in reality to imagine that this Consecration of Russia will fulfill the requirements of Our Lady.

    Certainly, it will be a Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary; however, it will not be made in union with all the Bishops of the world in their own Dioceses.

    It will be one more pious act made by a Pope, the latest addition to the many other consecrations that also did not fulfill those requirements.

    To wit, the various previous consecrations, as reported by the same news of L'Osservatore Romano, were the following:
    • Pius XII - October 31, 1942;
    • Pius XII - July 7, 1952;
    • Paul VI - November 21, 1964, during the Second Vatican Council in the presence of the Bishops of the entire world;
    • John Paul II - June 7, 1981;
    • John Paul II - May 13, 1982;
    • John Paul II - March 25, 1984.
    Unfortunately, unless a miracle occurs, the announced Consecration by Pope Francis will not be the one all of us long and pray for.


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #182 on: March 19, 2022, 03:21:58 PM »
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  • I've been unable to substantiate the rumor that Fr. Gruner predicted Benedict XVI's successor would perform a valid consecration according to all Our Lady of Fatima's requests.
    Who knows of Francis I is even Benedict XVI's successor…
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #183 on: March 19, 2022, 03:34:21 PM »
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  • I've been unable to substantiate the rumor that Fr. Gruner predicted Benedict XVI's successor would perform a valid consecration according to all Our Lady of Fatima's requests.
    Who knows of Francis I is even Benedict XVI's successor…

    It wasn't Father Gruner per se, but some alleged stigmatist, Antonio Ruffini.
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    "No, it’s not John Paul. It will not be his immediate successor either, but the one after that. He is the one who will consecrate Russia.”

    Father Kramer seems to have reported this by word of mouth.  Of course, around the same time, the Fatima Crusader had also predicted that World War III would begin in 2008 (based on word from a German priest who was allegedly a "mystic" of some kind).

    Father Kramer, of course, would say, that Berogoglio is not the successor of Benedict XVI ... since he's a Bennyvacantist.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #184 on: March 19, 2022, 03:46:07 PM »
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  • https://www.visionsofjesuschrist.com/weeping1474.html


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    Father Kramer some years ago wrote these comments with regard to Antonio Ruffini: I myself knew Ruffini for many years. In the early 1990s Ruffini was asked point blank in his home: “Is John Paul II the Pope who is going to do the Consecration of Russia ?” He answered: “No, it’s not John Paul. It will not be his immediate successor either, but the one after that. He is the one who will consecrate Russia."


    So it sounds like he didn't hear it, but this was told to him by someone else.  Good luck tracking down the source.


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #185 on: March 19, 2022, 04:04:34 PM »
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  • Interestingly, by the time Our Lady came to request the consecration of Russian in 1929, there was no Russia as a country.  USSR was established in 1922.  So that was probably a hint that the consecration wouldn't actually take place until "Russia" was a country again.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #186 on: March 19, 2022, 04:26:03 PM »
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  • Interestingly, by the time Our Lady came to request the consecration of Russian in 1929, there was no Russia as a country.  USSR was established in 1922.  So that was probably a hint that the consecration wouldn't actually take place until "Russia" was a country again.
    Hmmm.  Interesting.  In fact, the USSR came to be in November, 1917 [Edit: I'm finding different info on the date...1917, 1921, 1922]. 

    Could this be why the pre-Vatican II popes did not do the consecration by naming the country of "Russia"? Maybe that's why they held off?

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #187 on: March 19, 2022, 04:33:58 PM »
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  • I've been unable to substantiate the rumor that Fr. Gruner predicted Benedict XVI's successor would perform a valid consecration according to all Our Lady of Fatima's requests.
    Who knows of Francis I is even Benedict XVI's successor…

    Fr. Guner speaks at 1:15 in.  https://rumble.com/vxsoqs-did-fatima-priest-fr.-gruner-predict-francis-consecration-of-russia.html

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/did-fatima-priest-fr-gruner-predict-francis-consecration-of-russia/


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #188 on: March 19, 2022, 04:38:16 PM »
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  • Hmmm.  Interesting.  In fact, the USSR came to be in November, 1917 [Edit: I'm finding different info on the date...1917, 1921, 1922]. 

    Could this be why the pre-Vatican II popes did not do the consecration by naming the country of "Russia"? Maybe that's why they held off?
    Might explain why Pius XII said "peoples of Russia", as it didn't exist as a nation at that time.
    And if this is the case, then it would also explain why Our Lady said it would be done "late" because Russia did not exist as a nation until after 1991, and perhaps won't completely exist until the Ukraine is obtained.

    But, this seems like splitting hairs and Bergoglio most likely isn't formally the Pope.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #189 on: March 19, 2022, 09:25:52 PM »
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  • The consecration of Russia, asked at Fatima in 1917, was to stop atheism from spreading to other nations. That consecration never happened then and Russia spread its atheism. ... So, what exactly is this consecration all about? 

    The Consecration would have prevented Russia from spreading its errors had it been accomplished when requested, and it may well prevent a nuclear war and the annihilation of Nations if it is done next week, but the conversion of Russia and the period of peace will follow whenever it takes place.  In 1931, Christ said the consecration would happen until after Russia had spread her errors: 

    “They did not wish to heed My request. Like the king of France, they will repent and do it, but it will be late. Russia will have already spread her errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecutions of the Church; the Holy Father will have much to suffer.”»

    Commenting on the words,  "In the end My Immaculate Heart will triumph.  The holy father will consecrate Russia to me, and she will be converted and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world," Frere Michele wrote: "Just as He is faithful, God is inflexible in His commands. He does not change His designs to cater to the capriciousness of men. No, He will not change His plan. He absolutely wills the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, as a preliminary condition for its miraculous conversion." 

    As far as what the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart will entail, Frere Michele wrote:
     
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    The Whole Truth About Fatima, Vol. 3:

    THE MYSTERY OF THE THIRD SECRET
     

       In effect we have good reasons to think that Our Lady of Fatima, appearing at the dawn of this century, at the very hour when the first Beast of the Apocalypse was taking shape – a Beast which She came to designate and denounce by name – announced equally, in Her third Secret, the events corresponding to the third image of the triptych in chapters 12 and 13 of the Apocalypse.

       If Sister Lucy could declare that the third Secret was in the Apocalypse, would it not correspond precisely to this passage concerning the apostasy of the pastors of the Church, placing themselves at the service of an impious political power – chapter 13, verses 11 to 18? The fact that the first two parts of the Secret correspond, in an astonishing manner, to the preceding verses strongly inclines us to think so.

       As the Secret in its entirety describes the final combat of the forces of Evil against the Immaculate Virgin, we would find there the three satanic powers described by Saint John: in the first part, the devil himself and the vision of hell corresponding to the Dragon of the Apocalypse; in the second part, the hegemony of Russian communism corresponds to the first Beast; finally, in the third part, the apostasy and treason of many pastors of the Church correspond to the description of the false lamb, the false prophet in the service of the Beast.

       Moreover, in perfect coherence with our previous demonstrations on the most probable contents of the third Secret, its conclusion, full of an invincible hope and announcing a decisive victory, confirms us in this hypothesis. After the revelation of the third Secret, the Blessed Virgin continues:
       
        «In the end My Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to Me, and she will be converted, and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world.»
      
       Such a triumph, announced so solemnly – and which, as we will see, is not without an evocation of the future Jerusalem, the Christendom of tomorrow, of Chapters 21 and 22 of the Apocalypse: “and I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God...” (Apoc. 21:2) – such a triumph of itself indicates above all the spiritual significance of the tragic battle preceding it. And its temporal expression – «in the end» – so heavy with implications, allows us to guess the furious struggle, no doubt even the reversals and seeming total defeat that will come before the final victory of the New Eve. Does not this triumph come to close a battle which was above all Her own, the one announced in the proto-Gospel? «She shall crush thy head.» Yes, it is She who will overcome the diabolical wave sweeping over the Church, the impiety installed even in the sanctuary, and all the obscure forces which foment apostasy. For clothed with the power of the Most High, She is more fearsome than an army in battle array: "Fair as the moon, bright as the sun, terrible as an army set in battle array», according to the words of the Canticle of Canticles (Ct. 6:10).
     

       In short, the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary undoubtedly refers much more to the third Secret than even the second. For the recovery of peace will be a gift from Heaven, but it is not, properly speaking, the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Her victory is of another order, supernatural, and then temporal by addition. It will first be the victory of the Faith, which will put an end to the time of apostasy and the great shortcomings of the Church’s pastors.

       This will be the final triumph of the Woman of the Apocalypse, the Mother of the faithful and the Queen of Apostles, crowned with twelve stars,1196 Her decisive victory over the Prince of lies, instigator of all heresy, all schism, all impiety and apostasy: “Cunctas haereses tu sola interemisti in universo mundo!” You alone, O Mary Immaculate, Virgin Most Faithful and indestructible rampart of eternal Truth, have destroyed all heresies in the whole world. 

     250 years before the Fatima apparitions, Ven. Mary of Agreda wrote the following about the destruction "of all the heresies and sects" through the intercession of the Blessed Mother:


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    “I have been informed of a great mystery, which affords us consolation in this conflict of the holy Church against her wicked enemies. Namely, on account of this triumph of most holy Mary and on account of another, which She gained over the demons after the Ascension of our Lord, the Almighty, in reward of Her battles, decreed, that through Her intercession and virtue all the heresies and sects of the world against the holy Church were to be destroyed and extinguished. The time appointed for this blessing was not made known to me; probably, the fulfillment of this decree is dependent upon some tacit and unknown condition.”

    The "tacit unknown condition" is the Consecration of Russia, as later revealed at Fatima.
     
     In addition to the conversion of Russia and the era of peace, Christ revealed another purpose of the Consecration to Sr. Lucy.  When she asked Him why Russia would not be converted without it, He replied: 
    “Because I want My whole Church to recognize this consecration as a triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, so as to extend its cult and place devotion to this Immaculate Heart alongside the devotion to My Divine Heart.

    If Christ intends for the fruits of the Consecration to glorify his Mother and be recognized as the Triumph of Her Immaculate Heart, how glorious should we expect these fruits to be?  At Quito, the Blessed Mother described the victory as being accomplished "in a marvelous way:

     “To test this faith and confidence of the just, there will be occasions in which everything will seem to be lost and paralyzed. … This night will be most horrible, for, humanly speaking, evil will seem to triumph. This, then, will mark the arrival of My hour, when I, in a marvelous way, will dethrone the proud and cursed Satan, trampling him under My feet and fettering him in the infernal abyss. Thus the Church and Country will be finally free of his cruel tyranny.” (Our Lady of Good Success).

    Everything is falling into place for the Consecration and Triumph of the Immaculate Heart to begin next week, on Friday, March 25th, which corresponds to the day the first Adam was created and to the day the second Adam was Incarnated.  It is also the day that Christ, by His Passion and death, redeemed mankind and restored the spiritual order.  All that remains is the final defeat of Satan and the restoration of the corporeal and temporal order, brought about by the Passion of the Church (Col. 1:24) and the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart.   



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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #190 on: March 19, 2022, 10:39:09 PM »
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  • Good point about the addition of Ukraine.

    As you say, if there is a consecration and it works, I'd have to reassess my view of Jorge.

    It's guaranteed to work.


    Bergy is well connected... and this his miracle "show-time"!



    Project Blue Beam will generate some inexplicable apparitions and 90% of newChurch will believe it.



    :facepalm:

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #191 on: March 19, 2022, 11:42:26 PM »
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  • That dude Bergowhat is like school in summer. No class. He can consecrate the neighborhood garbage and keep at it for a while till summer comes for all da 'hood 'round my block may care.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #192 on: March 20, 2022, 12:15:39 PM »
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  • Father covered this from the pulpit today. He's cautiously optimistic about it himself, and made some good points about God using poor material for great things in regard to Francis.

     I don't share this same optimism, but, the one thing I did agree with was to wait and see what fruits come from it.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #193 on: March 20, 2022, 12:49:59 PM »
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  • From the Frere Michel quote posted by RomanTheo:

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    in the second part, the hegemony of Russian communism corresponds to the first Beast; finally, in the third part, the apostasy and treason of many pastors of the Church correspond to the description of the false lamb, the false prophet in the service of the Beast.

    Hmmm.  Russia is the Beast.  And there will be a false prophet or prophets in service of the Beast?  I wonder who those could be other than the Communist agents Roncalli, Montini, Wojtyla, and Bergoglio.  Clearly these agents and infiltrators hijacked the Church and put it into service of the Beast, as we see that Bergoglio is in lockstep with the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.  Here Frere Michel is soft-pedalling and spinning "the false prophet in service of the Beast" into "many pastors of the Church".  No, THE false prophet(s) are the V2 papal imposters.  It's just like various neo-con Conciliar rags that attack every bishop and every priest but won't touch the one with whom the buck stops with all the apostasy, and who are spearheading the whole thing.  I recall an article in "The Wanderer" attacking a bishop who participated in some Native American religious ceremony and then ignored it when Wojtyla did the same thing a few weeks later.  It's a joke.

    People like RomanTheo are in the service of the Beast by enabling and defending its false prophet.

    Cardinal Ciappi read the Third Secret and said that it's about the Great Apostasy beginning "at the top".  What happened here is absolutely clear and obvious.  It's mind-boggling that Catholics who have the faith can't see through this.  Our Blessed Mother basically came out and told us.

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