Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Author Topic: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?  (Read 17982 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Ladislaus

  • Supporter
  • *****
  • Posts: 46601
  • Reputation: +27460/-5072
  • Gender: Male
Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
« Reply #75 on: March 16, 2022, 07:38:12 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I would then take "all" literally.

    Just thinking out loud, do you suppose Bishops Williamson, Faure, Zendejas, et al, will participate?  So far as I'm aware, they're not sedevacantists.

    Generally the Church has taken the term all as a moral unanimity.  You can say that something is a "universal" practice or belief of the Church ... even if you find an occasional exception here or there.  In any group, you can always find an imbalanced person.   So, for instance, the Church universally recognized St. Pius X as the true pope, but I bet that if you dug enough, you could find some nutcase who concluded otherwise.

    Offline RevolveBooks

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 89
    • Reputation: +70/-16
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #76 on: March 16, 2022, 07:58:42 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Question...let's say B16 is still the legit pope.  And let's say that only 25% of bishops are legit.  What if B16 and the legit bishops do the consecration "in union" with Francis......

    What happens?


    Offline Jaycie

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 217
    • Reputation: +115/-27
    • Gender: Female
    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #77 on: March 16, 2022, 08:20:18 AM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!1
  • I think Pope Pius X1 was the pope Our Lady was asking to consecrate Russia and it was meant to be done in the early 30's to prevent WW2 and the takeover of the world by communism following the war. Obviously, for whatever reason, he didn't do it unfortunately. For that reason, he was not a good pope.

    For 'pope francis' to do this now is just an insult and mockery of Fatima and Our Lady.::)

    Offline Pax Vobis

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 12110
    • Reputation: +7629/-2305
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #78 on: March 16, 2022, 08:29:02 AM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote
    I think Pope Pius X1 was the pope Our Lady was asking to consecrate Russia and it was meant to be done in the early 30's to prevent WW2 and the takeover of the world by communism following the war.
    Yes, it was meant to be done long ago.  No, Pope Pius XI was not the only pope who had the duty to do it.  Our Lord told Sr Lucy in the 30s that (paraphrasing) "As long as it took the kings of France to do their consecration, so the popes will also delay."  France was consecrated 100 years to the day from when Our Lord asked.  100 years from Fatima's "ask" is 2029.  The Fatima request is still applicable to our times...



    Offline DigitalLogos

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 8304
    • Reputation: +4718/-754
    • Gender: Male
    • Slave to the Sacred Heart
      • Twitter
    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #80 on: March 16, 2022, 08:52:35 AM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • Fr. Jenkins on Francis's upcoming "consecration", starts at about 41 minutes in.

    https://rumble.com/vxipb9-what-catholics-believe-3152021.html
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

    Offline josefamenendez

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5462
    • Reputation: +4111/-284
    • Gender: Female
    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #81 on: March 16, 2022, 09:04:11 AM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • Yes, it was meant to be done long ago.  No, Pope Pius XI was not the only pope who had the duty to do it.  Our Lord told Sr Lucy in the 30s that (paraphrasing) "As long as it took the kings of France to do their consecration, so the popes will also delay."  France was consecrated 100 years to the day from when Our Lord asked.  100 years from Fatima's "ask" is 2029.  The Fatima request is still applicable to our times...
     apparition at Rianjo 1931:
    Apparition at Rianjo 1931
    "It is never too late to recourse to Jesus and Mary"'

    https://fatima.org/the-apparition-at-rianjo-1931/

    Offline josefamenendez

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5462
    • Reputation: +4111/-284
    • Gender: Female
    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #82 on: March 16, 2022, 09:10:14 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • https://soundcloud.com/novusordowatch/tradcast-express-151

    Tradcast  about the Francis and the consecration


    Offline DigitalLogos

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 8304
    • Reputation: +4718/-754
    • Gender: Male
    • Slave to the Sacred Heart
      • Twitter
    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #83 on: March 16, 2022, 09:13:57 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Fr. Jenkins on Francis's upcoming "consecration", starts at about 41 minutes in.

    https://rumble.com/vxipb9-what-catholics-believe-3152021.html
    I agree with the points Fr. Jenkins made about Francis needing to publicly repent of his errors before his "consecration" would give this more legitimacy among those who believe he is the Supreme Pontiff, and not just an act of the Pope of the New Order, which would be fruitless.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

    Offline 2Vermont

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 11429
    • Reputation: +6391/-1123
    • Gender: Female
    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #84 on: March 16, 2022, 03:09:39 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I hope nobody on this site thinks that a consecration without all the bishops is legit.  Only the fake/indult crowd would go along with that.
    It sure sounded up thread that there are posters who think that.

    Offline Pax Vobis

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 12110
    • Reputation: +7629/-2305
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #85 on: March 16, 2022, 04:24:31 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Without the bishops, it won’t be THE consecration but it’ll be A consecration.  I don’t see any downside so I hope it happens.  Even if +Francis intends to mock God by this, the consecration act itself is good.  So God can thereby still bless good Catholics, for acts done by their bad leaders.  Gods omnipotence and eternal wisdom allows Him to bring good out of evil and to use bad men for good purposes.  Let us not despair!


    Offline Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 46601
    • Reputation: +27460/-5072
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #86 on: March 16, 2022, 05:31:10 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Without the bishops, it won’t be THE consecration but it’ll be A consecration.  I don’t see any downside so I hope it happens.  Even if +Francis intends to mock God by this, the consecration act itself is good.  So God can thereby still bless good Catholics, for acts done by their bad leaders.  Gods omnipotence and eternal wisdom allows Him to bring good out of evil and to use bad men for good purposes.  Let us not despair!

    I don't think any consecration performed by a non-Catholic has any value other than perhaps towad their own personal conversion.  Francis has no actual authority before God to make the consecration, and its value comes from a POPE consecrating Russia to Our Lady.  In other words, he is NOT our "leader" and therefore cannot represent us before God.

    Offline Shrewd Operator

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 171
    • Reputation: +96/-7
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #87 on: March 16, 2022, 06:02:55 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • Yes, it was meant to be done long ago.  No, Pope Pius XI was not the only pope who had the duty to do it.  Our Lord told Sr Lucy in the 30s that (paraphrasing) "As long as it took the kings of France to do their consecration, so the popes will also delay."  France was consecrated 100 years to the day from when Our Lord asked.  100 years from Fatima's "ask" is 2029.  The Fatima request is still applicable to our times...


    Without the bishops, it won’t be THE consecration but it’ll be A consecration.  I don’t see any downside so I hope it happens.  Even if +Francis intends to mock God by this, the consecration act itself is good.  So God can thereby still bless good Catholics, for acts done by their bad leaders.  Gods omnipotence and eternal wisdom allows Him to bring good out of evil and to use bad men for good purposes.  Let us not despair!
    1. I don't get it. How can things be stretched out another seven years considering the way they are and how they're going? Will Putin spend 7 more years slowly dissembling NATO until he finally goes into Germany a la Irlamir? Look what Covid did in just a couple years? How do we get another 7 out of the world?

    2. Every consecration that is not THE consecration just muddies the waters further. It's going to look like a fad that both liberal and conservative popes engage in whenever they need a moral boost.

    Offline DigitalLogos

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 8304
    • Reputation: +4718/-754
    • Gender: Male
    • Slave to the Sacred Heart
      • Twitter
    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #88 on: March 16, 2022, 06:04:12 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • I don't think any consecration performed by a non-Catholic has any value other than perhaps towad their own personal conversion.  Francis has no actual authority before God to make the consecration, and its value comes from a POPE consecrating Russia to Our Lady.  In other words, he is NOT our "leader" and therefore cannot represent us before God.
    The only real positive that could come from it, which I believe Pax already stated, was the publicity that it might bring to Catholicism. As many would start looking into Fatima and the message, which would lead them to places like the Fatima Center and others who have made connections between the lapse of faith in the world with the failure to consecrate Russia by past Popes and anti-Popes.

    Anecdotally, this is the exact path I went down to traditional Catholicism, as I later noticed that I made the decision to convert on the 100th anniversary of the final apparition of Fatima: October 13, 2017.

    It may not be millions, but the few who are converted are a boon to Jesus Christ and His Church.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

    Offline Comrade

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 195
    • Reputation: +87/-19
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #89 on: March 16, 2022, 06:44:11 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Yes, it was meant to be done long ago.  No, Pope Pius XI was not the only pope who had the duty to do it.  Our Lord told Sr Lucy in the 30s that (paraphrasing) "As long as it took the kings of France to do their consecration, so the popes will also delay."  France was consecrated 100 years to the day from when Our Lord asked.  100 years from Fatima's "ask" is 2029.  The Fatima request is still applicable to our times...

    Pax, you have your dates mixed up. The consecration took place 103 years later. King Louis lost his power exactly 100yrs.

    Our Lords request for the Consecration to the Sacred Heart = June 17,1689
    King Of France stripped of power = June 17, 1789
    King Louis XVI made a private consecration as prisoner of his own palace = 1792
    King Louis XVI was beheaded before making the another consecration public = 1793

    Our Lord said that the Popes will make a similar mistake. And they have. We know this because the Consecration was to prevent the spread of Russian Errors. It is pretty obvious that consequences from that warning have already started a long time ago, especially immediately post WW2. Pius XII did the consecration with a few bishops in attendance but it was late. Our Lord was never specific what "late" means. Is it 2, 25, or 100 years, anyone can speculate. But since we have dealing with the impact of communism on a global scale since WW2, the spreading of errors has already surrounded us. If the 100years has any relevance, it would mirror the carnage and persecution of the French Revolution but on a global scale. 
    By the way, even Sr. Lucy had hopes that Pius XII was sufficient. She didn't hold such a strong opinion compared to others who armchair Fatima quaterbacks.