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Offline Charity

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Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2022, 03:13:31 PM »
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    • Pius XII carried out an imperfect consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the results were fairly predictable -- imperfect.

    If Bergoglio is indeed the pope and he consecrates Russia in the manner he apparently intends the consecration will have been imperfect and the results may be just as predictable -- imperfect.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #16 on: March 15, 2022, 03:18:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 15, 2022, 01:45:43 PM
    True.  This consecration may not be "perfect" but Sr Lucy said that God blessed the world in the 80s, when JPII made his "imperfect" consecration.  I'll take whatever we can get.  An imperfect consecration is better than nothing!

    1980s Sister Lucy was a fake.

    Also, to consecrate Russia AND Ukraine is an insult to Our Blessed Mother in that it deliberately avoids doing what she requested.  Russia needs to be called out individually.  There's nothing to prevent him from consecrating both, but Russia must be consecrated specifically in one act, and the Ukraine in another.  None of this I consecrate "Ukraine and Russia" business.

    If Bergoglio does this consecration, nothing will happen ... because 1) it's not according to Our Lady's wishes (not together with all the world's bishops) and 2) he's not the pope.

    But I don't believe that God will allow him to pretend to make a consecration that will seem ineffectual, thereby impugning the honor of Our Blessed Mother.

    If Bergoglio actually sets about to do it on March 25, I fully expect him to drop dead before that can happen.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #17 on: March 15, 2022, 03:19:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 15, 2022, 03:18:38 PM
    1980s Sister Lucy was a fake.

    Also, to consecrate Russia AND Ukraine is an insult to Our Blessed Mother in that it deliberately avoids doing what she requested.  Russia needs to be called out individually.

    If Bergoglio does this consecration, nothing will happen ... because 1) it's not according to Our Lady's wishes and 2) he's not the pope.

    But I don't believe that God will allow him to pretend to make a consecration that will seem ineffectual, thereby impugning the honor of Our Blessed Mother.

    If Bergoglio actually sets about to do it on March 25, I fully expect him to drop dead before that can happen.
    I was thinking this as well.
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    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #18 on: March 15, 2022, 03:21:27 PM »
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    • Good point about the addition of Ukraine.

    As you say, if there is a consecration and it works, I'd have to reassess my view of Jorge.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #19 on: March 15, 2022, 03:23:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on March 15, 2022, 03:21:27 PM
    Good point about the addition of Ukraine.

    As you say, if there is a consecration and it works, I'd have to reassess my view of Jorge.

    Why can't they do PRECISELY what Our Blessed Mother asked for.  It's a special level of arrogance to think you're somehow "improving" on her request.  She made it very clear what she wanted.  She asked for "Russia", not "Ukraine and Russia".  Doing something slightly different is to do it according to your own will, and on your own terms, rather than submitting to her wishes.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #20 on: March 15, 2022, 03:27:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on March 15, 2022, 03:21:27 PM
    Good point about the addition of Ukraine.

    As you say, if there is a consecration and it works, I'd have to reassess my view of Jorge.
    Really?  I would just get suspicious of the whole affair.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #21 on: March 15, 2022, 03:28:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on March 15, 2022, 03:21:27 PM
    Good point about the addition of Ukraine.

    As you say, if there is a consecration and it works, I'd have to reassess my view of Jorge.

    No, it won't "work" ... especially given that it's not being done together with all the world's bishops.  Pius XII already did that once.

    Now, if it WERE done by him together with the world's bishops, mentioning Russia only, as Our Lady requested, then it would be because Our Lady respected the color of title of the office he holds, and for no other reason.  And then the very first effect of it would be the conversion of Bergoglio himself.

    Third Secret was about Vatican II and the subversion/infiltration of the papacy.  So if Bergoglio were to actually perform the consecration according to Our Lady's wishes, he would probably be immediately struck dead on the spot, to cleanse the papacy of his heresy.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #22 on: March 15, 2022, 03:30:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on March 15, 2022, 03:27:17 PM
    Really?  I would just get suspicious of the whole affair.

    By March 25th, it's very likely that the Russian invasion will be over and done with.

    Unless Vatican II were rolled back and Russia completely converted to the Catholic faith, and the entire world converted, then that would be a fail.  When the consecration is properly performed by a legitimate pope, that is what I would understand by it "working" ... the restoration of the Church.  Until that happens, it will not have "worked".
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #23 on: March 15, 2022, 03:40:37 PM »
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    • Agree on all points, Lad.

    Still hoping… consecration, conversion, and/or struck dead.

    :incense:
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #24 on: March 15, 2022, 03:41:34 PM »
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    • V2 heretics and Freemasons and all the tangents to a sphere of garbage. Noli me tangere.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #25 on: March 15, 2022, 03:50:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on March 15, 2022, 03:21:27 PM
    As you say, if there is a consecration and it works, I'd have to reassess my view of Jorge.
    He's still alive and could always repent and convert. God only knows what's going on in his head. I truly hope it works and he converts, it would be a miracle for sure. Maybe the fears of nuclear war or his own mortality have finally gotten to him?

    Pray, hope, but don't hold your breath.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #26 on: March 15, 2022, 03:51:01 PM »
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    1980s Sister Lucy was a fake.
    The real Sr Lucy was alive in the 80s and she was asked at some point, by letter, if JPIIs consecration was sufficient.  She said it did not fulfill Our Lady's request but that God was pleased with the generalized, consecration of the world.  New-rome was telling everyone that Fatima was over, while the real Sr Lucy said it wasn't.  The fake Sr Lucy wouldn't have contradicted new-rome, so we know it was the real Sr Lucy who responded.

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    Also, to consecrate Russia AND Ukraine is an insult to Our Blessed Mother in that it deliberately avoids doing what she requested.  Russia needs to be called out individually.  There's nothing to prevent him from consecrating both, but Russia must be consecrated specifically in one act, and the Ukraine in another.  None of this I consecrate "Ukraine and Russia" business.
    Of course, this is not exactly what She requested at Fatima, but God can still bless the world because of this act.  Be positive!
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #27 on: March 15, 2022, 03:54:18 PM »
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    • I would like to say that I find it interesting that it coincides with our 54-day novena, which ends Laetare Sunday :incense:

    Keep praying for the papacy, and pray for his conversion.

    Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 15, 2022, 03:51:01 PM
    Of course, this is not exactly what She requested at Fatima, but God can still bless the world because of this act.  Be positive!
    Yes! :pray:
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    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #28 on: March 15, 2022, 03:55:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on March 15, 2022, 03:51:01 PM
    The real Sr Lucy was alive in the 80s and ...

    No, she wasn't.
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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #29 on: March 15, 2022, 03:59:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: Donachie on March 15, 2022, 03:41:34 PM
    Noli me tangere.

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