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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2022, 04:01:32 PM »
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  • Ladislaus, why would the fake Sr Lucy contradict new-rome, both in 1984 (post JPII consecration) and also in 1989, confirming that Fatima's request were not fulfilled?  Makes no sense.  Why would new-rome fabricate a fake Sr Lucy and then allow her to contradict their story?

    Certainly, there is evidence that there was a fake Sr Lucy, but i've not seen any concrete evidence to suggest that the real Sr Lucy died before 1984?

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #31 on: March 15, 2022, 04:02:08 PM »
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  • https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/250674/pope-francis-to-consecrate-ukraine-and-russia-to-immaculate-heart-of-mary

    From that link above:
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    In a letter written in 1989, Sister Lucia confirmed that Pope John Paul II satisfied Our Lady’s request for Russia’s consecration in 1984. Other authorities, including the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, also have affirmed the consecration was completed to Sister Lucia’s satisfaction.



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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #32 on: March 15, 2022, 04:03:46 PM »
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  • Ladislaus, why would the fake Sr Lucy contradict new-rome, both in 1984 (post JPII consecration) and also in 1989, confirming that Fatima's request were not fulfilled?  Certainly, there is evidence that there was a fake Sr Lucy, but i've not seen any concrete evidence to suggest that the real Sr Lucy died before 1984?

    So that's your reasoning?  Speculation about what reasons she may have had?

    This is contradicted by a mountain of evidence ... https://sisterlucytruth.org/

    Nor would Our Lady have let the real Sister Lucy remain alive and have her attend the New Mass ... and not warn the world about it.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #33 on: March 15, 2022, 04:04:14 PM »
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    • Sister Lucy, on March 19, 1983 was again visited by Dr. Lacerda who witnessed the same Papal Nuncio again converse with Sister Lucy in the Pope’s name. She answered clearly: “The consecration of Russia has not been done as Our Lady requested.” She explained that was because ‘Russia’ was not clearly the object of the consecration, and because each bishop had not made in his own cathedral a public and solemn ceremony of consecration of RUSSIA. The text which Sister Lucy had prepared for the Papal Nuncio ended as follows: "The Consecration of Russia has not been done as Our Lady has requested. I was not able to make this statement (before) because I did not have the permission of the Holy See."
        
    • Sister Lucy was asked if the 1984 consecration of the world was acceptable. On July 20,1987 Sister Lucy, bound by Portuguese law left her cloister to vote in the national election. Upon her leaving the car, the Argentine journalist Enrique Romero met her and asked her about the consecration of Russia. She confirmed to him that it had not been done and that unless there was a spiritual turnaround featuring prayer and sacrifice, every nation would fall under Communist dictatorship (This was reported in the early August edition of Para Ti  published in Argentina.)
        
    • In May 1989 Cardinal Law of Boston visited Sister Lucy. He was told by Sister Lucy that the March 25, 1984 consecration of the world by Pope John Paul II did not fulfill Our Lady's requests. Her exact reply was: “The Holy Father speculates that it has been done, done in the best possible way under the circuмstances. Done on the narrow road of the collegial consecration that She [Our Lady of Fatima] has demanded and has been wanting? No, that has not been done.


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #34 on: March 15, 2022, 04:04:56 PM »
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  • So that's your reasoning?  Speculation about what reasons she may have had?

    This is contradicted by a mountain of evidence ... https://sisterlucytruth.org/

    Nor would Our Lady have let the real Sister Lucy remain alive and have her attend the New Mass ... and not warn the world about it.


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #35 on: March 15, 2022, 04:08:56 PM »
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  • She claimed in that letter that the 1982 consecration done by Wojtyla was "not fully efficacious" but then writes:

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    “I come to answer your question, ‘If the consecration made by Pope John Paul II on March 25, 1984 in union with all the bishops of the world, accomplished the conditions for the conversion of Russia, according to the request of Our Lady in Tuy on June 13 of 1929’? Yes it was accomplished, and since then I have said that it was made. And I say that no other person responds for me, it is I who receive and open all letters and respond to them.”


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #36 on: March 15, 2022, 04:11:11 PM »
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  • Both Sr Lucy's were alive at the same time, the only logical explanation for the multiple contradictions over the years.  Until someone can prove that the real Sr Lucy died before the 1980s, then we must assume she was alive.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #37 on: March 15, 2022, 04:18:33 PM »
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  • Both Sr Lucy's were alive at the same time, the only logical explanation for the multiple contradictions over the years.  Until someone can prove that the real Sr Lucy died before the 1980s, then we must assume she was alive.

    No, we must assume no such thing.  Given the existence of an imposter, unless evidence is presented that she remained alive, the contrary should be assumed.  If the true Sistery Lucy finished the last 50 years of her life attending the NOM, then both her and the Fatima apparitions are thoroughly discredited.  Thus the presumption must be that she was elminated by the Modernists (unless she somehow died a natural death).


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #38 on: March 15, 2022, 04:24:26 PM »
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  • 1.  There's no evidence she died before the 80s.
    2.  There's no evidence she attended the new mass, except from the obvious imposter.  She hardly ever left her convent; how would anyone know what mass she attended?

    Suit yourself.  I knew there'd but a TON of negativity about this topic.  I'm just surprised at who is being negative.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #39 on: March 15, 2022, 04:24:52 PM »
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  • These are photos from 1967!





    Note both the impostor Lucy and the obviously altered image of Montini's hands.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #40 on: March 15, 2022, 04:34:11 PM »
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  • But I don't believe that God will allow him to pretend to make a consecration that will seem ineffectual, thereby impugning the honor of Our Blessed Mother.

    If Bergoglio actually sets about to do it on March 25, I fully expect him to drop dead before that can happen.

    Imprecatory (turn or burn) prayer time?  If it's good enough for practicing abortionists why would it not be good enough for Bergoglio?


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #41 on: March 15, 2022, 04:47:29 PM »
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  • Dear Friends of the Kolbe Center,

    Pax Christi!

    I am writing this urgent message because Pope Francis has announced that he will join with a papal envoy to Ukraine, Cardinal Krajewski, in Fatima, to consecrate Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on March 25, in St. Peter’s Basilica in Rome. According to a report from the Catholic News Agency:
    Pope Francis will consecrate Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, the Vatican announced on Tuesday.

    The Holy See press office said on March 15: “On Friday, March 25, during the Celebration of Penance at which he will preside at 5 p.m. in St. Peter’s Basilica, Pope Francis will consecrate Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.”

    “The same act, on the same day, will be carried out in Fatima by His Eminence Cardinal Krajewski, Apostolic Almoner, as envoy of the Holy Father.”

    Cardinal Konrad Krajewski was one of two papal envoys sent to Ukraine last week in an expression of the pope’s concern for the war-torn country’s population.

    March 25 was the day in 1984 that Pope John Paul II consecrated Russia and the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. It is also the Solemnity of the Annunciation of the Lord.

    Ukraine’s Latin Rite Catholic bishops asked Pope Francis earlier this month to consecrate Ukraine and Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

    In a letter to the pope, the Ukrainian bishops said that they were writing “in these hours of immeasurable pain and terrible ordeal for our people” in response to many requests for the consecration.

    “Responding to this prayer, we humbly ask Your Holiness to publicly perform the act of consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary of Ukraine and Russia, as requested by the Blessed Virgin in Fatima,” said the letter, published on the bishops’ website on Ash Wednesday, March 2.
    I am writing to ask all readers of this newsletter to urge you or anyone known to you who has any influence with his local Ordinary or with any other Ordinary to please implore the Bishops to ask the Pope to invite Pope Benedict XVI and all of the Bishops of the world to join him in the consecration on March 25th "to avert a Third World War." It would be very easy for Pope Francis to send an invitation to all of the Bishops of the world, inviting them to join him in making the Consecration of Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
    But time is short.

    If the Pope does not invite the Bishops to join him (as Our Lady of Fatima requested), individual Bishops could still consecrate Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in their own cathedrals on March 25, as an act of solidarity with the Pope. Ideally, if Pope Francis does not invite the Bishops of the world to join with him in consecrating Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, individual Bishops could still inform him of their intention to unite with him in making the consecration and respectfully request that he invite the rest of the Bishops to join them.


    In the three days that remain before the Feast of St. Joseph, Guardian of the Church, let us ask him to obtain the grace of an invitation by Pope Francis to Pope Benedict XVI and to all of the Bishops to participate in the consecration on March 25—and the added grace of a generous response by all of the Bishops. Then we would see at last the complete fulfillment of Our Lady of Fatima’s promise: “In the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph, the Holy Father will consecrate Russia to Me, Russia will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.”


    Yours in Christ through the Immaculata in union with St. Joseph,

    Hugh Owen

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #42 on: March 15, 2022, 04:57:30 PM »
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  • please implore the Bishops to ask the Pope to invite Pope Benedict XVI and all of the Bishops of the world to join him in the consecration on March 25th "to avert a Third World War." It would be very easy for Pope Francis to send an invitation to all of the Bishops of the world, inviting them to join him in making the Consecration of Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.


    Hedging his bets just in case Ratzinger is still actually the pope?  :laugh1:

    I don't agree that the intent is "to avert a Third World War".  It's about the restoration of the Catholic Church.

    PS -- I do like Hugh Owen.  I think he does great work.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #43 on: March 15, 2022, 05:01:45 PM »
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  • …Pope Francis has announced that he will join with a papal envoy to Ukraine, Cardinal KraJєωski, in Fatima, to consecrate Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on March 25, in St. Peter’s Basilica in Rome

    Wow! Jorge is starting his "signs and wonders" with bi-locating in Fatima and Rome.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #44 on: March 15, 2022, 05:04:12 PM »
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  • Tin foil theory: Francis's NWO handlers told him to do a "consecration" so that it corresponds with the next phase of their contrived Russia v. Ukraine conflict. A false sign is performed, and the elect are deceived as World War III has miraculously been averted!

    "For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect."
    [Matthew 24:24]

    Edit: I see Mark is on the same page! :laugh1:
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]