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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
« Reply #225 on: March 21, 2022, 08:56:32 AM »
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  • If anyone finds the consecration prayer, please post it.  Thx.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #226 on: March 21, 2022, 09:47:14 AM »
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  • If anyone finds the consecration prayer, please post it.  Thx.

    AFAIK, it hasn't been released yet.  I've been keeping an eye out for it.


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #227 on: March 21, 2022, 12:30:50 PM »
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  • Interesting, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre Died: March 25, 1991, Martigny, Switzerland.

    There is an ancient tradition in the Church's history that held that our Lord died on the same day He was conceived -- March 25th!

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #228 on: March 21, 2022, 01:31:06 PM »
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  • There is an ancient tradition in the Church's history that held that our Lord died on the same day He was conceived -- March 25th!

    I've seen some historical studies which pretty solidly conclude that Our Lord rose from the dead on April 5, although not sure if that would be Julian or Gregorian calendar, so that Good Friday would have been April 3.  Interestingly of my 6 children, 3 of them were born in that timeframe:  April 2, April 4, and April 5.  First week of April is always rough for us (I call it "birthday week").  It's quite possible that that would have been March 25 on the other calendar.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #229 on: March 21, 2022, 02:28:33 PM »
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  • I think it was Bl Anne Catherine Emmerich who said that March 25 is the holiest day of the year:
    1.  Day that Adam was created
    2.  Feast of the Annunciation
    3.  Good Friday

    Quite a lot of symbolism there, if true.


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #230 on: March 21, 2022, 02:29:14 PM »
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  • This may have you in hysterics as you listen to how jumbled up, erroneous and even inconsistent date wise they are in their presentation about Fatima!  https://www.trunews.com/stream/petro-dollar-fatima-saudis-to-sell-oil-in-yuan-pope-to-consecrate-russia-to-virgin-mary

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #231 on: March 21, 2022, 06:06:43 PM »
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  • A valid consecration to the Immaculata this will not be, as Bergoglio is not the Pope. Certainly, it will consecrate the world to demons and the Kabbalah, but not the sacred Immaculate Heart of the Mother of Our Lord.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #232 on: March 21, 2022, 06:20:23 PM »
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  • Go to Jesus through Our Lady.


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    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #235 on: March 21, 2022, 09:21:39 PM »
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  • That settles it.

    I called that out minutes after it was released.  Also, the intention is to obtain peace (end the current invasion of Ukraine).  But Our Lady asked for it to be an act of reparation to the Immaculate Heart of Mary for blasphemies.  There's no reparatory intent here whatsoever.  It's just a prayer of petition to bring peace.  Completely worthless.

    So the kind of peace Bergoglio wants is the freedom for Globohomo to spread perversion and sodomy throughout the world ... and to keep pushing and forcing the abortion-stained jab?


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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #236 on: March 22, 2022, 12:19:56 AM »
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  • Sedevacantism is only secondarily about the pope at all (whether interior dispositions or heretical actions).  It's about what we believe about the Catholic Church.

    R&R:  Church is capable of teaching grave error, of leading souls to hell, and of promulgating a Rite of Mass (Church's publish worship) that undermines faith and offends God.

    SV:  Church can't do that.

    THIS is what the SV vs. R&R conflict is about, and often it descends down into the weeds where people lose sight of the big picture.

    Conservative Novus Ordo agree with SV, while liberal Novus Ordo agree with R&R on this MAJOR (of the entire crisis).

    MAJOR:  Catholic Church cannot do such evil (SVs + Conservative NO) - rejected by R&R and Liberal NO
    MINOR:  Conciliar Church did such evils. (SVs + R&R) -- rejected by Conservative NO + Liberal NO
    CONCLUSION:  Conciliar Church is not the Catholic Church (SVs)

    *Liberal NOs like the reforms, but might think, for example, that the Church did evil in the past
    Not so. R&R believes that the Church is holy, but have weak/evil/fallible men misusing their authority without infallibly binding the faithful. SV sees both the office and the person holding the person as infallible. This is similar to the Pharisees sitting on the chair of Moses.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #237 on: March 22, 2022, 05:23:49 AM »
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  • I've been informed that even a Resistance bishop, Bp. Tomás de Aquino, is going to "consecrate" with Bergoglio. That's kinda funny, even more because Bp. Tomás de Aquino refused to sing Te Deum along members of the SSPX some time ago for occasion of Benedict XVI doing something. Ironic.
    The NEO-SSPX is losing its mind over this. It is like they have died and gone to heaven. The groveling over an apostate and layman(Bergolio)consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart is just the ticket they need to get more Novus Ordos to come to their chapel. This will keep the coffers filled so that they can continue building monuments. Meanwhile, the actual Novus Ordo sect could care less about what Bergolio says. You can make this stuff up. The SSPX is on their hands and knees over his, while the NO is entirely indifferent.

    All part of The Great Reset as re-setting narratives back to 2008-2014 is part of the goal. I hope Dom Tomás doesn't go through with the consecration.

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #238 on: March 22, 2022, 07:30:56 AM »
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  • Not so. R&R believes that the Church is holy, but have weak/evil/fallible men misusing their authority without infallibly binding the faithful. SV sees both the office and the person holding the person as infallible. This is similar to the Pharisees sitting on the chair of Moses.
    No. No we do not. This shows you don't even understand the SV position. It is the fact that these heresies and errors have come through the universal ordinary magisterium, which is impeccable and infallible and protected by the Holy Ghost, that we conclude that these men cannot possibly be legitimate Popes. Not because they are capable of sin, error and abuses themselves.

    The Syllabus of Errors:
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    22. The obligation by which Catholic teachers and authors are strictly bound is confined to those things only which are proposed to universal belief as dogmas of faith by the infallible judgment of the Church. — Letter to the Archbishop of Munich, “Tuas libenter,” Dec. 21, 1863.
    R&R's follow this error^

    The Pope is infallible on definitions of faith and morals, that's it. And this is due to his authority being bound up in the magisterium. He isn't impeccable, we've never argued that. Alexander VI, along with the other Borgia Popes abused the powers of the papal office but NEVER pronounced heresy through the universal ordinary magisterium like these post-conciliar popes have.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Pope to Consecrate Russia/Ukraine on March 25?!?
    « Reply #239 on: March 22, 2022, 08:10:13 AM »
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  • No. No we do not. This shows you don't even understand the SV position. It is the fact that these heresies and errors have come through the universal ordinary magisterium, which is impeccable and infallible and protected by the Holy Ghost, that we conclude that these men cannot possibly be legitimate Popes. Not because they are capable of sin, error and abuses themselves.
    DL, what the pope teaches is not always the teachings of the Church's Universal and Ordinary Magisterium.
    (1) When we say "Universal" we always mean since the time of the Apostles and for all time,
    (2) When we say "Magisterium", we mean teachings of the Church that enjoy the full authority of the Church,
    (3) When we say "Ordinary", we mean all teachings of the Church taught in the usual, day to day manner through the Church's hierarchy, priests, nuns, parents, teachers, and so on.

    The Church's Universal Magisterium, which is indeed always infallible, is not the pope, or the pope and bishops, or a Council. The duty of the pope is to protect, preserve and promulgate the Church's teachings, i.e. the Church's Magisterium, but he is not divinely protected from not doing his duty or promulgating corrupted doctrines.



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    22. The obligation by which Catholic teachers and authors are strictly bound is confined to those things only which are proposed to universal belief as dogmas of faith by the infallible judgment of the Church. — Letter to the Archbishop of Munich, “Tuas libenter,” Dec. 21, 1863.

    R&R's follow this error^

    The Pope is infallible on definitions of faith and morals, that's it. And this is due to his authority being bound up in the magisterium. He isn't impeccable, we've never argued that. Alexander VI, along with the other Borgia Popes abused the powers of the papal office but NEVER pronounced heresy through the universal ordinary magisterium like these post-conciliar popes have.


    No, it is altogether ridiculous to say R&R follow the condemned error.  To be clear, the pope is infallible only when he defines a doctrine ex cathedra concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church, beyond that he can do exactly what the conciliar popes have done, and worse if he chooses to do so. 

    The error of the sedes is the idea that the infallibility that protects the Church in all that concerns faith or morals, also protects it from every and all error detrimental to the Church and Faith. This apparent irremediable error is  one of the fundamental errors of sedeism.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse