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Offline roscoe

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Re: Pope Leo XIII's Deathbed Soliloquy
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2023, 11:46:47 AM »
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  • Yes, here's one treatment of it, but you can find more by Googling for "Pius XII corpse exploded".
    https://medium.com/the-collector/explosion-of-pope-pius-xii-e9151906929

    We know that the natural cause was the ridiculous embalming job of Galeazzi-Lisi, but still makes me wonder.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riccardo_Galeazzi-Lisi
    I personally believe that Pius XII was being poisoned during his last 5-6 years.  During that time, he was almost completely debilitated and letting the Curia run the Church, and it's possible that the Holy Week Rites were pushed through with little complicity on his part.
    This is incorrect. Pius Xii was ill in 1954 but recovered & was healthy until a few months b4 passing. These attacks on Card Rampolla & Pius XII are absurd.

    " I have always had a great respect for Card Rampolla"-- Pope St Pius X.

    Do the bashers actually expect us to believe them over Il Papa? :laugh1:

    I have not yet had a chance to watch the Ytube clip but I imagine it will be some Dimonds( Diamonds)   Bravo Shinola...
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Pope Leo XIII's Deathbed Soliloquy
    « Reply #16 on: September 08, 2023, 12:59:05 PM »
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  • This is incorrect. Pius Xii was ill in 1954 but recovered & was healthy until a few months b4 passing.

    Not true.  I've cited the evidence that he was ill from 1954 on.


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    Re: Pope Leo XIII's Deathbed Soliloquy
    « Reply #17 on: September 08, 2023, 12:59:57 PM »
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  • These attacks on Card Rampolla & Pius XII are absurd.

    I don't know enough about Rampolla to have any comment, but exactly which criticism I made above about Pius XII was incorrect?  They're all factually true and verifiable.

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    Re: Pope Leo XIII's Deathbed Soliloquy
    « Reply #18 on: September 08, 2023, 01:01:24 PM »
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  • Pope Pius XII did in fact usher in the Vatican II era:

    1) failed to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in the manner that Our Lady requested
    2) opened the door to evolution (which has led to a massive loss of faith among Catholics)
    3) opened the door to the use of NFP as Catholic Birth Control with some ill-advised speculation and complete lack of clarity regarding the principles, just using a vague term "serious reason"
    4) set up Bugnini to begin his liturgical experimentation (even Roncalli kicked Bugnini out)
    5) allowed some bizarre one-off liturgical experiments
    6) permitted the first "Ecuмenical" meetings
    7) allowed Father Feeney to be persecuted while doing nothing about the rampant heresy regarding EENS, from the likes of Cardinal "No salvation outside the Church? Nonsense" Cushing
    8) did nothing to stamp out Modernism and remove Modernists from their teaching positions
    9) appointed, during his long reign, nearly every single Bishop would later bring us Vatican II

    So, roscoe, please explain which is these points is not true.

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    Re: Pope Leo XIII's Deathbed Soliloquy
    « Reply #19 on: September 08, 2023, 01:02:56 PM »
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  • " I have always had a great respect for Card Rampolla"-- Pope St Pius X.

    Do the bashers actually expect us to believe them over Il Papa? :laugh1:

    So?  St. Pius X could have been hoodwinked by him also.  Infiltrators excel at acting.  St. Pius X didn't have the gift of reading souls like a Padre Pio.


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    Re: Pope Leo XIII's Deathbed Soliloquy
    « Reply #20 on: September 08, 2023, 06:06:06 PM »
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  • So?  St. Pius X could have been hoodwinked by him also.  Infiltrators excel at acting.  St. Pius X didn't have the gift of reading souls like a Padre Pio.
    And perhaps the statement was falsely attributed to him or taken out of context. Remember, +Sarto's election was the result of a brutal shakeup that ended in the assassination of the Holy Roman Emperor. Rampolla almost got in, but for the veto. I can see the humility of St. Pius X making a comment that might be intended to soften bitter, hard, and fractious hearts - to heal gaping wounds caused by that heroic intervention. 

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    Re: Pope Leo XIII's Deathbed Soliloquy
    « Reply #21 on: September 08, 2023, 06:56:20 PM »
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  • I can see the humility of St. Pius X making a comment that ...

    That too.

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    Re: Pope Leo XIII's Deathbed Soliloquy
    « Reply #22 on: September 08, 2023, 07:50:46 PM »
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  • So, roscoe, please explain which is these points is not true.
    All of them.... You are sick FE :popcorn: who thinks he is Il Papa
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    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    Re: Pope Leo XIII's Deathbed Soliloquy
    « Reply #23 on: September 09, 2023, 11:24:02 AM »
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  • Not true.  I've cited the evidence that he was ill from 1954 on.

    If you’ve read this book, you understand Pacelli’s Jєωιѕн side 😉

    He was a natural nervous wreck and needed the efficiency of an ambitious Austrian Nun to take care of his household and to “mommy” him.



     Pope Pius XII knew he was dying and one wonders if he had fatalistically accepted it as all part of the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic plan?  

    In addition to the charges of his “Duty of State” failures that Lad’s listed,  I don’t see where he ever supported Cardinal Siri as his natural successor, who at the time was a favorite of the Holy See.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Pope Leo XIII's Deathbed Soliloquy
    « Reply #24 on: September 09, 2023, 12:17:49 PM »
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  • If you’ve read this book, you understand Pacelli’s Jєωιѕн side 😉

    He was a natural nervous wreck and needed the efficiency of an ambitious Austrian Nun to take care of his household and to “mommy” him.



     Pope Pius XII knew he was dying and one wonders if he had fatalistically accepted it as all part of the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic plan? 

    In addition to the charges of his “Duty of State” failures that Lad’s listed,  I don’t see where he ever supported Cardinal Siri as his natural successor, who at the time was a favorite of the Holy See.


    It is in La Popessa where I learned that Pius XII recovered from his 1954 illness. As for his "Jєωιѕн side" , I got nothing from the book that would suggest such. BTW-- It is well known that the Pope supported Card Siri-- quit spreading shinola. If Siri was the favorite of the "Holy See", the Pope IS the "Holy See" :cowboy:
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    Re: Pope Leo XIII's Deathbed Soliloquy
    « Reply #25 on: September 09, 2023, 12:27:47 PM »
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  • It is in La Popessa where I learned that Pius XII recovered from his 1954 illness. As for his "Jєωιѕн side" , I got nothing from the book that would suggest such. BTW-- It is well known that the Pope supported Card Siri-- quit spreading shinola. If Siri was the favorite of the "Holy See", the Pope IS the "Holy See" :cowboy:
    Ouch Roscoe! :facepalm:

    BTW, I happened upon one of your posts from 2008, where you at least admit that commercial jews (including the Pacelli's) were crawling around the Vatican from the Pontificate of Gregory XVI.

    "Shinola"... a type of Italian liquor?
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Pope Leo XIII's Deathbed Soliloquy
    « Reply #26 on: September 09, 2023, 01:08:20 PM »
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  • A mystic of the time, cannot remember which, said that Our Lady was not pleased with Leo because he was too concerned with advancing his family.

     I think you nailed it.... St. Gemma Galgani ?


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Pope Leo XIII's Deathbed Soliloquy
    « Reply #27 on: September 09, 2023, 05:57:45 PM »
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  • Concerning the book "LA Popessa", do not take that as an authority on anything of Pope Pius XII as well as Mother Pascalina.  It was put out by a pseudo-journalist. He just showed up one day in Rome in the early 80's, got the see Mother Pascalina for a relatively short meeting one day, than put out that trash in short order.

      You can get the most direct commentary on that incident in Fr Charles Murr's "The Godmother: Madre Pascalina, a feminine tour de force", 2017.  He knew her as a seminarian starting in the early 70's until her death.  In this book, she clearly denounces "LaPopessa".
     While Fr Murr is, yes a Novus Ordo ordained priest, in my reading him and hearing some of his interviews, he comes off as truthful, consistent and serious. I haven't seen any reason to doubt him.
      While I know much will be revealed on the last day, the office of the papacy is the most solemn office.  It is easy to look back on some things and say"I would have done it this way" and the like.

     Just something to consider. The 3 hour fast. Had he not lessened the Midnight requirement, there probably early on have been some good priests as well as many of the faithful that would yes, maintain the Catholic Faith and carry on the by offering or  assisting at Holy Mass, but the times would not be so late.  1pm was the traditional latest Mass time. So, no Masses after that.  If a traditional priest has 2 or 3 Masses, he would have to start the last one by that time.  Under the older law, he could not even take water until finished with his last Mass.
      Related, in a way, and pertinent to what the Catholic faithful today also benefit from is Pope Pius XII permitting late afternoon/evening Masses, if the local bishop thought there would be benefit to the faithful.
     By his holiness permitting this, possible qualms of conscience was effectively lifted from the tradional priests and faithful.  While, yes, epikeia could be invoked, how much more solace to the average Catholic it would provide in these turbulent times.
      That is why it is important to charitably  correct anyone who might innocently conclude that we have late Masses because of Paul VI's "permission" in the mid-60's for so called Vigil Masses".  He brought that out so they could meet there obligation for Sunday assistance at Mass be fulfilled by attendance at their Mass at 4pm or later on Saturday.
     That is from the usurper Paul VI. It is totally different from what Pope Pius XII permitted with later in the day Masses.

     Pope Pius XII-Saturday is Saturday. Sunday is Sunday.

    Paul VI - Saturday late afternoon on is like Sunday.

    I know many on the board recognize this.

    I just wanted to offer this here.

    Joe

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    Re: Pope Leo XIII's Deathbed Soliloquy
    « Reply #28 on: September 09, 2023, 06:59:59 PM »
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  • Thanks for your inputs Joe, especially on the Rules of Fasting.

    Actually, I admired Mother Pascalina who sounded incredibly competent.

    One funny memory from La Popessa was Pope Pius XII coming back to his Vatican apartment after a High Mass and extended papal duties.  To relax, the Pontiff turned on classical music (record player?) and let all of his finches out of their cages. 
    Imagine the scene of all the finches flying about in jubilation to the music. :jester:

    Here's a brief video of Fr. Murr being interviewed about his book on her.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoH8v9gOcHo
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Pope Leo XIII's Deathbed Soliloquy
    « Reply #29 on: September 11, 2023, 12:15:07 AM »
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  • And perhaps the statement was falsely attributed to him or taken out of context. Remember, +Sarto's election was the result of a brutal shakeup that ended in the assassination of the Holy Roman Emperor. Rampolla almost got in, but for the veto. I can see the humility of St. Pius X making a comment that might be intended to soften bitter, hard, and fractious hearts - to heal gaping wounds caused by that heroic intervention.
    :confused:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'