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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: Polish FSSPX priest arrested in connection with covid sanitary restrictions
« Reply #45 on: January 18, 2022, 10:01:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on January 18, 2022, 09:51:07 PM
    Agreed. All these keyboard commandos on here throwing this priest in jail under the bus, I think they would see it differently if they were the ones in a hospital bed, knowing they were going to be dead in a few days, in the state of mortal sin wishing they had a priest to hear their confession and give them Extreme Unction ... in that situation, I'm sure they would have a different calculus to apply to a problem like this. But this Polish priest probably has a better sense of what people need, and he is the one who will answer for how he cared for the souls under his charge, and he is the one who made the decisions he made, which he is now suffering for. If you asked him now if he regretted his decision, I am fairly sure he would say no.

    Ends justify the means.  Got it.  I’ll reread the Bible after you edit it.
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    Re: Polish FSSPX priest arrested in connection with covid sanitary restrictions
    « Reply #46 on: January 18, 2022, 10:04:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 18, 2022, 09:16:33 PM
    Knock it off.

    The lesson from scripture was already provided, and you’re going to continue arguing the point?

    When you need to oppose scripture to defend your position, it a flaming sign that you need to abandon your position.
    I would if the moderator told me that only SeanJohnson's opinion was allowed on CI.
    Do you eat pork?  Your scripture quote is from the old testament.  There are multiple examples both for and against your opinion in the new testament.
    The priest rendered to Caesar that which was Caesars.....a piece of paper.
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    Re: Polish FSSPX priest arrested in connection with covid sanitary restrictions
    « Reply #47 on: January 18, 2022, 10:06:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 18, 2022, 08:46:35 PM
    Why would those who are scandalized by a priest (apparently) taking an abortion-tainted shot guilty of hypocrisy?

    Because they are fully aware that a black market for jab certs exists and some might take advantage of it in order to do what is important.
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    Re: Polish FSSPX priest arrested in connection with covid sanitary restrictions
    « Reply #48 on: January 18, 2022, 10:09:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miseremini on January 18, 2022, 10:04:14 PM
    I would if the moderator told me that only SeanJohnson's opinion was allowed on CI.
    Do you eat pork?  Your scripture quote is from the old testament.  There are multiple examples both for and against your opinion in the new testament.

    It’s not my quote, it’s Joe Z’s.

    Do you reject the 10 Commandments?  They’re from the OT, you know.
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    Re: Polish FSSPX priest arrested in connection with covid sanitary restrictions
    « Reply #49 on: January 18, 2022, 10:11:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: andy on January 18, 2022, 10:06:43 PM
    Because they are fully aware that a black market for jab certs exists and some might take advantage of it in order to do what is important.

    I’d say that’s quite a stretch to argue that laymen would presume a priest has acquired a fake covid pass, when most would assume the opposite (ie., that a priest is not a criminal).
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    Re: Polish FSSPX priest arrested in connection with covid sanitary restrictions
    « Reply #50 on: January 18, 2022, 10:28:51 PM »
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    • This whole thing wasn't a (possible) scandal until the priest got charged and it was made public. 
    When it was made public, anyone with common sense would realize it was a deception on the part of the priest who was fighting an unjust law.
    Prior to that the only people who would have know would have been the VERY FEW that were directly involved with his using the fake papers to minister to them, and he probably told them of the deception so they wouldn't be scandalized or feel guilty that he took the shot for them. 
    The real scandal is us, spreading it around.
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    Re: Polish FSSPX priest arrested in connection with covid sanitary restrictions
    « Reply #51 on: January 18, 2022, 10:31:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 18, 2022, 10:09:19 PM
    Do you reject the 10 Commandments?  They’re from the OT, you know.
    No, Christ didn't change them.
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    Re: Polish FSSPX priest arrested in connection with covid sanitary restrictions
    « Reply #52 on: January 18, 2022, 10:42:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miseremini on January 18, 2022, 10:28:51 PM
    This whole thing wasn't a (possible) scandal until the priest got charged and it was made public.
    When it was made public, anyone with common sense would realize it was a deception on the part of the priest who was fighting an unjust law.
    Prior to that the only people who would have know would have been the VERY FEW that were directly involved with his using the fake papers to minister to them, and he probably told them of the deception so they wouldn't be scandalized or feel guilty that he took the shot for them.
    The real scandal is us, spreading it around.

    False:

    If he couldn’t travel without a covid pass, then he’s presumed by all to have been jabbed in order to continue traveling.  So the scandal began (for those who don’t accept the moral liceity of the shot, anyway), the moment the law went into effect, and the priest was known/observed to continue traveling.

    One does not presume a priest has committed a criminal act or deception in order to continue traveling, particularly when his own congregation is defending the moral liceity of taking the shot.
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    Re: Polish FSSPX priest arrested in connection with covid sanitary restrictions
    « Reply #53 on: January 18, 2022, 10:50:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miseremini on January 18, 2022, 10:31:45 PM
    No, Christ didn't change them.

    The implication being that Christ has abrogated the law against giving scandal?

    You are deceived, if that’s what you believe.

    Christ’s examples in the NT of eating with tax collectors and publicans, healing on the Sabbath, befriending St. Mary Magdalen, etc. were most certainly not intended to do any such thing, but to point out the hypocrisy of the Pharisees.

    The proof of it is that every manual of moral theology still discusses giving scandal, which they need not do were it true that Christ changed the moral law in that regard.
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    Re: Polish FSSPX priest arrested in connection with covid sanitary restrictions
    « Reply #54 on: January 18, 2022, 11:15:55 PM »
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    • Too much time on your hands?  If you were on your deathbed, you’d judge him a hypocrite or coward and send him away?  Call the authorities and turn him in?  
    Take the 💰 but not the ✝️?  Take both?
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    Re: Polish FSSPX priest arrested in connection with covid sanitary restrictions
    « Reply #55 on: January 19, 2022, 05:07:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on January 18, 2022, 11:15:55 PM
    Too much time on your hands?  If you were on your deathbed, you’d judge him a hypocrite or coward and send him away?  Call the authorities and turn him in? 
    Take the 💰 but not the ✝️?  Take both?

    Anyone making this argument should have no problem taking the abortion shot, because the unCatholic argument boils down to this:

    The ends justify the means.
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    Re: Polish FSSPX priest arrested in connection with covid sanitary restrictions
    « Reply #56 on: January 19, 2022, 05:56:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on January 18, 2022, 11:15:55 PM
    Too much time on your hands?  If you were on your deathbed, you’d judge him a hypocrite or coward and send him away?  Call the authorities and turn him in? 
    Take the 💰 but not the ✝️?  Take both?

    Leaving aside the emotional content and nature of this brief rant, in order to be logically consistent, you must accept the SSPX position on the abortion jab, per Fr. Selegny’s September/2021 article, in which he opined that taking the jab can be charitable and prudent (he has in mind, for example, a priest to give last rites to hospital patients.

    Do you?

    Even if one were to concede Fr. Selegny’s argument, toward the end of his December/2020 article on the same topic, Fr. Selegny admits that scandal would prevent the liceity of such an act, citing scripture (as Joe Z did above):

    “To properly situate this question, it is important to know that all the meat consumed in Antiquity necessarily passed through the temples. Moreover, there is only one word in Greek, mageiros (used exclusively in the masculine), to designate the priest, the butcher and the cook: for those who wanted to abstain from immolated meat, there was no other meat to eat.
    Let us add that the sin of idolatry is one of the most serious, since it attacks God himself.

    St. Paul answers that it is permissible to eat these meats, unless it scandalizes the neighbor.”

    https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/it-morally-permissible-use-covid-19-vaccine-62290

    Venenum in cauda (“the sting is in the tail@).

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    Re: Polish FSSPX priest arrested in connection with covid sanitary restrictions
    « Reply #57 on: January 19, 2022, 12:30:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on January 18, 2022, 09:51:07 PM
    Agreed. All these keyboard commandos on here throwing this priest in jail under the bus, I think they would see it differently if they were the ones in a hospital bed, knowing they were going to be dead in a few days, in the state of mortal sin wishing they had a priest to hear their confession and give them Extreme Unction ...
    The question is:
    1) Did he take an abortion tainted shot?

    Sean is assuming he did. What are you assuming Mr. Yeti?
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    Re: Polish FSSPX priest arrested in connection with covid sanitary restrictions
    « Reply #58 on: January 19, 2022, 01:13:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on January 19, 2022, 12:30:11 PM
    The question is:
    1) Did he take an abortion tainted shot?

    Sean is assuming he did. What are you assuming Mr. Yeti?

    Correction: I do NOT assume he did.  In fact, I assume he didn't, otherwise he would not have procured a fake covid pass.

    But I'm saying OTHERS who don't know him will reasonably assume he did (and will be scandalized by it, and therefore it is not permissible to go the fake docuмents route).
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    Re: Polish FSSPX priest arrested in connection with covid sanitary restrictions
    « Reply #59 on: January 19, 2022, 01:16:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 18, 2022, 10:11:52 PM
    I’d say that’s quite a stretch to argue that laymen would presume a priest has acquired a fake covid pass, when most would assume the opposite (ie., that a priest is not a criminal).
    A stretch in the west world, perhaps yes. Not in the countries where people routinely ignore nonsense laws.
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