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  • 2 Maccabees 6     

    The martyrdom of Eleazar
    Eleazar, one of the foremost teachers of the Law, a man already advanced in years and of most noble appearance, was being forced to open his mouth wide to swallow pig's flesh. ·But he, resolving to die with honor rather than to live disgraced, went to the block of his own accord, ·spitting the stuff out, the plain duty of anyone with the courage to reject what it is not lawful to taste, even from a natural tenderness for his own life. ·Those in charge of the impious banquet, because of their long-standing friendship with him, took him aside and privately urged him to have meat brought of a kind he could properly use, prepared by himself, and only pretend to eat the portions of sacrificial meat as prescribed by the king; ·this action would enable him to escape death, by availing himself of an act of kindness prompted by their long friendship. ·But having taken a noble decision worthy of his years and the dignity of his great age and the well-earned distinction of his gray hairs, worthy too of his impeccable conduct from boyhood, and above all of the holy legislation established by God himself, he publicly stated his convictions, telling them to send him at once to Hades. "Such pretense," he said, "does not square with our time of life; many young people would suppose that Eleazar at the age of ninety had conformed to the foreigners' way of life, ·and because I had played this part for the sake of a paltry brief spell of life might themselves be led astray on my account; I should only bring defilement and disgrace on my old age. ·Even though for the moment I avoid execution by man, I can never, living or dead, elude the grasp of the Almighty. ·Therefore if I am man enough to quit this life here and now I shall prove myself worthy of my old age, ·and I shall have left the young a noble example of how to make a good death, eagerly and generously, for the venerable and holy laws."

    With these words he went straight to the block. ·His escorts, so recently well disposed toward him, turned against him after this declaration, which they regarded as sheer madness. ·Just before he died under the blows, he groaned aloud and said, "The Lord whose knowledge is holy sees clearly that, though I might have escaped death, whatever agonies of body I now endure under this bludgeoning, in my soul I am glad to suffer, because of the awe which he inspires in me."



    This was how he died, leaving his death as an example of nobility and a
    record of virtue not only for the young but for the great majority of the nation.
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  • But it is precisely in feigning (or actually rendering) compliance with unjust laws that scandal arises, because others are induced to comply by the example.

    And in this case, the scandalous implication is that it’s ok to take the shot.
    This is true unless a vast part of the public is aware how absurd and unjust those laws are. Nobody is scandalized by people going grey market to make their living and not paying taxes in the country with effective rate is 60-70%.

    If the priest needs to go to hospital to visit sick or travel where unjust restrictions are imposed to enter (jabbed only) and he needs a piece of paper, I am not here to complain.


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  • I understand what you are saying, Sean.
    The Sspx leadership betrayed their own priests. 

    Right now SSPX is divided between vaxxed and unvaxxed. 

    There are vaxxed cowards in the pews pretending to be unvaxxed.


    (My parents want to see my vax card so bad. I’m not getting vaxxed or having anything shoved up nose by skanky nurse). 
    May God bless you and keep you

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  • 2 Maccabees 6   

    The martyrdom of Eleazar
    Eleazar, one of the foremost teachers of the Law, a man already advanced in years and of most noble appearance, was being forced to open his mouth wide to swallow pig's flesh. ·But he, resolving to die with honor rather than to live disgraced, went to the block of his own accord, ·spitting the stuff out, the plain duty of anyone with the courage to reject what it is not lawful to taste, even from a natural tenderness for his own life. ·Those in charge of the impious banquet, because of their long-standing friendship with him, took him aside and privately urged him to have meat brought of a kind he could properly use, prepared by himself, and only pretend to eat the portions of sacrificial meat as prescribed by the king; ·this action would enable him to escape death, by availing himself of an act of kindness prompted by their long friendship. ·But having taken a noble decision worthy of his years and the dignity of his great age and the well-earned distinction of his gray hairs, worthy too of his impeccable conduct from boyhood, and above all of the holy legislation established by God himself, he publicly stated his convictions, telling them to send him at once to Hades. "Such pretense," he said, "does not square with our time of life; many young people would suppose that Eleazar at the age of ninety had conformed to the foreigners' way of life, ·and because I had played this part for the sake of a paltry brief spell of life might themselves be led astray on my account; I should only bring defilement and disgrace on my old age. ·Even though for the moment I avoid execution by man, I can never, living or dead, elude the grasp of the Almighty. ·Therefore if I am man enough to quit this life here and now I shall prove myself worthy of my old age, ·and I shall have left the young a noble example of how to make a good death, eagerly and generously, for the venerable and holy laws."

    With these words he went straight to the block. ·His escorts, so recently well disposed toward him, turned against him after this declaration, which they regarded as sheer madness. ·Just before he died under the blows, he groaned aloud and said, "The Lord whose knowledge is holy sees clearly that, though I might have escaped death, whatever agonies of body I now endure under this bludgeoning, in my soul I am glad to suffer, because of the awe which he inspires in me."



    This was how he died, leaving his death as an example of nobility and a
    record of virtue not only for the young but for the great majority of the nation.
    Well, there it is. I need no more words. My sentiments exactly. Thanks JoeZ!
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  • Why "brave?"

    Using a fake covid pass represents the OPPOSITE of bravery (ie., he was afraid to openly resist).

    I tend to agree.

    He was helping his flock to not be decimated by the shot, but on the other hand he thought it "prudent" to feign compliance. I can't say that's the route I'd take. But I'm not in his position, so who knows? Maybe my ideal in this situation just isn't realistic for a priest out there in the real world.

    What I'm saying is, you have a point, but I'm going to stop short of judging him. Maybe I won't call him a hero though.
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  • If the priest needs to go to hospital to visit sick or travel where unjust restrictions are imposed to enter (jabbed only) and he needs a piece of paper, I am not here to complain.
    If that is what he stated to his congregation, that he was taking the shot like a soldier jumps on a grenade to save his troops, AND the shot had no baby parts in the testing or in it, then that is a different story. But I do not see that said anywhere in the article.
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  • This is true unless a vast part of the public is aware how absurd and unjust those laws are. Nobody is scandalized by people going grey market to make their living and not paying taxes in the country with effective rate is 60-70%.

    If the priest needs to go to hospital to visit sick or travel where unjust restrictions are imposed to enter (jabbed only) and he needs a piece of paper, I am not here to complain.

    if there were a vast population aware of how absurd the unjust mandate was, a priest feigning compliance would ENHANCE the scandal.

    And in your hospital example, sure, a priest might be able to administer last rights to 200 souls in such contexts throughout his career.  But how many more will he harm by scandalizing them into following his apparent example and taking an immoral shot?  

    Again, I have nothing against this priest.  I’m only addressing the argument/problem inherent with n his course of action.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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  • 2 Maccabees 6   

    The martyrdom of Eleazar
    Eleazar, one of the foremost teachers of the Law, a man already advanced in years and of most noble appearance, was being forced to open his mouth wide to swallow pig's flesh. ·But he, resolving to die with honor rather than to live disgraced, went to the block of his own accord, ·spitting the stuff out, the plain duty of anyone with the courage to reject what it is not lawful to taste, even from a natural tenderness for his own life. ·Those in charge of the impious banquet, because of their long-standing friendship with him, took him aside and privately urged him to have meat brought of a kind he could properly use, prepared by himself, and only pretend to eat the portions of sacrificial meat as prescribed by the king; ·this action would enable him to escape death, by availing himself of an act of kindness prompted by their long friendship. ·But having taken a noble decision worthy of his years and the dignity of his great age and the well-earned distinction of his gray hairs, worthy too of his impeccable conduct from boyhood, and above all of the holy legislation established by God himself, he publicly stated his convictions, telling them to send him at once to Hades. "Such pretense," he said, "does not square with our time of life; many young people would suppose that Eleazar at the age of ninety had conformed to the foreigners' way of life, ·and because I had played this part for the sake of a paltry brief spell of life might themselves be led astray on my account; I should only bring defilement and disgrace on my old age. ·Even though for the moment I avoid execution by man, I can never, living or dead, elude the grasp of the Almighty. ·Therefore if I am man enough to quit this life here and now I shall prove myself worthy of my old age, ·and I shall have left the young a noble example of how to make a good death, eagerly and generously, for the venerable and holy laws."

    With these words he went straight to the block. ·His escorts, so recently well disposed toward him, turned against him after this declaration, which they regarded as sheer madness. ·Just before he died under the blows, he groaned aloud and said, "The Lord whose knowledge is holy sees clearly that, though I might have escaped death, whatever agonies of body I now endure under this bludgeoning, in my soul I am glad to suffer, because of the awe which he inspires in me."



    This was how he died, leaving his death as an example of nobility and a
    record of virtue not only for the young but for the great majority of the nation.

    Precisely the spirit I was trying to convey, however ineptly.  Thank you, Joe.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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  • BTW, in Hungary (and I suspect the same is true of Poland), the chief jab available was the Chinese one that is not abortion-tainted, the Sinopharm. 
    In China, they make health drinks for the rich out of macerated aborted baby parts, so I do not swallow the narrative that the Chinese Sinopharm jab is not abortion tainted. In fact, that would be the last country that I would believe has a non-abortion tainted jab.
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  • Sinovac Biotech Co., Ltd.: Inactivated virus “CoronaVac” Intramuscular
    => HEK 293 used for testing

    See list on lozierinstitute.org

    There are six other Chinese vaccines listed, some using HEK 293.
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  • But how many more will he harm by scandalizing them into following his apparent example and taking an immoral shot? 

    [...]  I’m only addressing the argument/problem inherent with n his course of action.
    Those potentially scandalized are hypocrites anyway - you shall no judge ... - who cares?


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  • Those potentially scandalized are hypocrites anyway - you shall no judge ... - who cares?

    Why would those who are scandalized by a priest (apparently) taking an abortion-tainted shot guilty of hypocrisy?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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  • Desperate times oft times call for desperate measures.  Think of the priests in France when St. Jean Vianney was a boy, or more recently Father Miguel Pro and the Cristeros.  They went around in  disguise pretending to be something they weren't.  Those who didn't know WHY were probably scandalized, but that didn't stop them.  
    Then think of Christ in company with Magdalen, a public sinner.  That caused scandal even amongst the apostles.
    And here we sit, thousands of miles away, reading a short translation of an event that doesn't affect us in the least........judging. 
    God help us.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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  • Desperate times oft times call for desperate measures.  Think of the priests in France when St. Jean Vianney was a boy, or more recently Father Miguel Pro and the Cristeros.  They went around in  disguise pretending to be something they weren't.  Those who didn't know WHY were probably scandalized, but that didn't stop them. 
    Then think of Christ in company with Magdalen, a public sinner.  That caused scandal even amongst the apostles.
    And here we sit, thousands of miles away, reading a short translation of an event that doesn't affect us in the least........judging.
    God help us.

    Knock it off.

    The lesson from scripture was already provided, and you’re going to continue arguing the point?

    When you need to oppose scripture to defend your position, it a flaming sign that you need to abandon your position.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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  • This is true unless a vast part of the public is aware how absurd and unjust those laws are. Nobody is scandalized by people going grey market to make their living and not paying taxes in the country with effective rate is 60-70%.

    If the priest needs to go to hospital to visit sick or travel where unjust restrictions are imposed to enter (jabbed only) and he needs a piece of paper, I am not here to complain.
    Agreed. All these keyboard commandos on here throwing this priest in jail under the bus, I think they would see it differently if they were the ones in a hospital bed, knowing they were going to be dead in a few days, in the state of mortal sin wishing they had a priest to hear their confession and give them Extreme Unction ... in that situation, I'm sure they would have a different calculus to apply to a problem like this. But this Polish priest probably has a better sense of what people need, and he is the one who will answer for how he cared for the souls under his charge, and he is the one who made the decisions he made, which he is now suffering for. If you asked him now if he regretted his decision, I am fairly sure he would say no.