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Offline Ladislaus

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poche delendus est
« on: October 05, 2020, 10:48:46 AM »
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  • I am taking a momentary hiatus from my boycott of posting on CI to lay out the case for why poche must be banned.  I will, hereafter, not post again until he is gone.  I believe that I owe an explanation for my behavior in order for it to have its intended effect.

    poche pertinaciously promotes the error and heresy of religious indifferentism which has been condemned by a long line of Traditional Catholic Popes.  After the RBG controversy, he followed up by posting a bogus private revelation to the effect that some Protestant went straight to heaven.  Even among Catholics, who benefit from the Sacraments of the Church, it is an exceedingly rare thing for someone to bypass Purgatory and go straight to heaven; it's only through the indulgences in possession of the Church and not accessible to non-Catholics that this could happen, since it is nearly impossible to undo the temporal consequences of our sins without this Mercy.

    To this end, poche has gone so far as to slander Pope St. Pius X by providing a partial quotation which might, to those unacquainted with the context, suggest that the saint himself promoted religious indifferentism.  Supplying the very next sentence, truncated deliberately by poche, demonstrated the exact opposite.  He has repeatedly distorted and lied and taken things out of context to promote his heresies.

    poche also pertinaciously promotes the error and heresy of Modernism, defending Bergoglio's most outrageous heterodox statements.

    Continuing to allow poche to promote heresy in a public forum is to be complicit in his activities ... and is a grave sin.  So I take this action, and make this statement, in a spirit of charity, as a rebuke to Matthew for allowing him to continue promoting heresy and error.  Several Councils instructed that the toleration of heresy is tantamount to heresy itself.  Some popes have been condemned for the "mere" toleration of heresy.  And here, by refusing to ban poche, Matthew actively tolerates heresy.

    To claim that poche is merely a "harmless" reminder to us of the errors in the Novus Ordo is to trivialize the gravity of the heresies and other errors he promotes.  Ideas matter, Matthew; dogmas and doctrine and heresies matter -- as Bishop Williamson regularly instructed us.  That is why the Church has been so zealous to condemn every error, because she knew well the consequences of such errors over time.  Besides that, the entire world is swimming with the errors that poche promotes, and there's no need for this constant reminder.  We can merely read the daily headlines of what continuously emanates from the Conciliar Whore of Babylon.

    By constantly proclaiming that his behavior is tolerable among Catholics, you demonstrate that you are slowly being poisoned by this relativism which has infected the entire world.

    St. Pius X would have excommunicated a hundred times over a (prominent) figure who promoted the ideas that poche does, to rid the Church of the contagion of heresy.

    And, as an aside to Meg, who claims that the toleration of poche is on the same level as the toleration of sedevacantism, that is utter nonsense.  All Traditional Catholics admit the sedevacantist premises, that the Conciliar Church has taught error and heresy, and Father Chazal concedes the sedevacantist premise that Bergoglio is a manifest heretic.  Even if the sedevacantists are mistaken, at worst they are misapplying their conclusions regarding a hotly-contested (and unresolved by the Church) theological question regarding what happens to a heretical pope.  This is nowhere near the same thing as promoting heresies and errors that have been unequivocally condemned by the Magisterium.  Meg suffers from SDS, Sedevacantist Derangement Syndrome ... my adaptation of the term TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) ... where she gets immediately "triggered" by anything that remotely hints of sedevacantism.  Matthew has in fact, IMO rightly, banned the dogmatic sedevacantists who harbor a schismatic attitude that their theological conclusions regarding the Crisis demonstrate a severing of membership in the Church.

    After the last outcry against poche, I repeatedly requested of poche that he at least explain his motivation for being on a forum like this where he disagrees with the entire membership on our core beliefs.  Where is he coming from and what is his motivation for posting?  Is he an FSSP type, a Motarian, or even a straight left-wing Novus Ordite?  He refused to answer.  Consequently, he must be regarded as a malicious troll who participates in this forum to undermine and sabotage Traditional Catholic core principles.

    So it is a grave sin to continue allowing poche to promote his heresies and errors, and so I need to make a public act of dissociating myself from this forum until he has been banned, and also to serve as a reminder regarding the gravity of such errors.  And this is why I felt the need to briefly interrupt my abstention from posting on CI.



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    Re: poche delendus est
    « Reply #1 on: October 05, 2020, 12:10:14 PM »
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  • I am taking a momentary hiatus from my boycott of posting on CI to lay out the case for why poche must be banned.  I will, hereafter, not post again until he is gone.  I believe that I owe an explanation for my behavior in order for it to have its intended effect.

    poche pertinaciously promotes the error and heresy of religious indifferentism which has been condemned by a long line of Traditional Catholic Popes.  After the RBG controversy, he followed up by posting a bogus private revelation to the effect that some Protestant went straight to heaven.  Even among Catholics, who benefit from the Sacraments of the Church, it is an exceedingly rare thing for someone to bypass Purgatory and go straight to heaven; it's only through the indulgences in possession of the Church and not accessible to non-Catholics that this could happen, since it is nearly impossible to undo the temporal consequences of our sins without this Mercy.

    To this end, poche has gone so far as to slander Pope St. Pius X by providing a partial quotation which might, to those unacquainted with the context, suggest that the saint himself promoted religious indifferentism.  Supplying the very next sentence, truncated deliberately by poche, demonstrated the exact opposite.  He has repeatedly distorted and lied and taken things out of context to promote his heresies.

    poche also pertinaciously promotes the error and heresy of Modernism, defending Bergoglio's most outrageous heterodox statements.

    Continuing to allow poche to promote heresy in a public forum is to be complicit in his activities ... and is a grave sin.  So I take this action, and make this statement, in a spirit of charity, as a rebuke to Matthew for allowing him to continue promoting heresy and error.  Several Councils instructed that the toleration of heresy is tantamount to heresy itself.  Some popes have been condemned for the "mere" toleration of heresy.  And here, by refusing to ban poche, Matthew actively tolerates heresy.

    To claim that poche is merely a "harmless" reminder to us of the errors in the Novus Ordo is to trivialize the gravity of the heresies and other errors he promotes.  Ideas matter, Matthew; dogmas and doctrine and heresies matter -- as Bishop Williamson regularly instructed us.  That is why the Church has been so zealous to condemn every error, because she knew well the consequences of such errors over time.  Besides that, the entire world is swimming with the errors that poche promotes, and there's no need for this constant reminder.  We can merely read the daily headlines of what continuously emanates from the Conciliar Whore of Babylon.

    By constantly proclaiming that his behavior is tolerable among Catholics, you demonstrate that you are slowly being poisoned by this relativism which has infected the entire world.

    St. Pius X would have excommunicated a hundred times over a (prominent) figure who promoted the ideas that poche does, to rid the Church of the contagion of heresy.

    And, as an aside to Meg, who claims that the toleration of poche is on the same level as the toleration of sedevacantism, that is utter nonsense.  All Traditional Catholics admit the sedevacantist premises, that the Conciliar Church has taught error and heresy, and Father Chazal concedes the sedevacantist premise that Bergoglio is a manifest heretic.  Even if the sedevacantists are mistaken, at worst they are misapplying their conclusions regarding a hotly-contested (and unresolved by the Church) theological question regarding what happens to a heretical pope.  This is nowhere near the same thing as promoting heresies and errors that have been unequivocally condemned by the Magisterium.  Meg suffers from SDS, Sedevacantist Derangement Syndrome ... my adaptation of the term TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) ... where she gets immediately "triggered" by anything that remotely hints of sedevacantism.  Matthew has in fact, IMO rightly, banned the dogmatic sedevacantists who harbor a schismatic attitude that their theological conclusions regarding the Crisis demonstrate a severing of membership in the Church.

    After the last outcry against poche, I repeatedly requested of poche that he at least explain his motivation for being on a forum like this where he disagrees with the entire membership on our core beliefs.  Where is he coming from and what is his motivation for posting?  Is he an FSSP type, a Motarian, or even a straight left-wing Novus Ordite?  He refused to answer.  Consequently, he must be regarded as a malicious troll who participates in this forum to undermine and sabotage Traditional Catholic core principles.

    So it is a grave sin to continue allowing poche to promote his heresies and errors, and so I need to make a public act of dissociating myself from this forum until he has been banned, and also to serve as a reminder regarding the gravity of such errors.  And this is why I felt the need to briefly interrupt my abstention from posting on CI.
    Well said sir. Thank you for being a voice of reason over the years, and your willingness to share your knowledge acquired at the seminary and life in general. I have not always agreed with your posts, however, most have made me take pause to reflect and research further. I've learned much thanks to your presence on this board. Pax Christi.


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    Re: poche delendus est
    « Reply #2 on: October 05, 2020, 12:26:19 PM »
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  • Well said, Lad. Get him outta here.
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    Re: poche delendus est
    « Reply #3 on: October 05, 2020, 12:30:05 PM »
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  • Poche has become more brazen in his errors, more V2-ish in his heresies, and more confusing to those who are trying to learn.  He never explains his errors when challenged and either plays dumb or just ignores questions.  He's of bad will, who only posts to challenge the Truth.

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    Re: poche delendus est
    « Reply #4 on: October 05, 2020, 12:33:18 PM »
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  • I miss the old HIDE/IGNORE Function :laugh1:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    Re: poche delendus est
    « Reply #5 on: October 05, 2020, 01:22:15 PM »
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  • Poche is not a flesh and blood person, he is a computer out of a novus ordo Bishops office.

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    Re: poche delendus est
    « Reply #6 on: October 05, 2020, 01:45:09 PM »
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    Poche is not a flesh and blood person, he is a computer out of a novus ordo Bishops office.

    +Fellay??

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    Re: poche delendus est
    « Reply #7 on: October 05, 2020, 01:58:11 PM »
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  • I miss the old HIDE/IGNORE Function :laugh1:
    You can still use the ignore function. However, ignored posters can still get into the system. Just do not respond
    to anything they post. Once out always out.


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    Re: poche delendus est
    « Reply #8 on: October 05, 2020, 02:08:34 PM »
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  • I've been wondering where Ladislaus has been recently. Do I understand this correctly, that he will not post here again until poche is gone? Matthew, I know you don't want to have to choose between Ladislaus and poche, but this seems to be the position you are in. This forum needs Ladislaus a hell of a lot more than it needs poche. Actually, it needs poche like you need a screen door on a submarine. Please click the Delete button on poche's account, and then when it asks, "Are you sure?", just click Yes. Everyone here will be grateful.

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    Re: poche delendus est
    « Reply #9 on: October 05, 2020, 02:33:28 PM »
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  • Thank you Ladislaus for this much needed coherent consolidation of why Poche needs to go. I've been troubled for a very long time about his undermining of Tradition . Now if we could only get back the great contributors that have left or have been banned over this golem's opinions.

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    Re: poche delendus est
    « Reply #10 on: October 05, 2020, 02:50:47 PM »
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  • You make me wonder "What am I waiting for?"

    But did I not ask repeatedly to point out any actual heresies and errors? This wasn't that long ago. Not much was scraped together, and I dealt with those few issues. I told poche to start using the official Douay-Rheims Bible translation, for example. He seemed to accede to my corrections and demands.

    Ladislaus isn't the first to "consolidate" what's bad about poche. Maybe Lad did a better job? But still, "poche must go" is not exactly a new topic!

    Are there really outstanding heresies by poche on this forum, or are they only in our memories, deep in the past?

    Or is this just a question of "He hasn't broken any rules, but that's the problem! He's a satanic plant who will do all that he can get away with, without overtly breaking any rule so he can stay here and undermine."

    That's quite a charge. Not commenting on it one way or the other, but that's quite a charge.

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    Re: poche delendus est
    « Reply #11 on: October 05, 2020, 02:53:25 PM »
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  • If someone could come up with some actual errors/heresies posted by poche, it would make my job so much easier.
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    Re: poche delendus est
    « Reply #12 on: October 05, 2020, 02:58:35 PM »
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  • You make me wonder "What am I waiting for?"

    But did I not ask repeatedly to point out any actual heresies and errors? This wasn't that long ago. Not much was scraped together, and I dealt with those few issues. I told poche to start using the official Douay-Rheims Bible translation, for example. He seemed to accede to my corrections and demands.

    Ladislaus isn't the first to "consolidate" what's bad about poche. Maybe Lad did a better job? But still, "poche must go" is not exactly a new topic!

    Are there really outstanding heresies by poche on this forum, or are they only in our memories, deep in the past?

    Or is this just a question of "He hasn't broken any rules, but that's the problem! He's a satanic plant who will do all that he can get away with, without overtly breaking any rule so he can stay here and undermine."

    That's quite a charge. Not commenting on it one way or the other, but that's quite a charge.

    I'm considering your request. Please answer my questions.
    OK, so I'll try this again.  Poche refuses to recant his belief that it is Catholic to pray for non-Catholics (and notorious ones at that!) as part of the Faithful Departed.  Instead, he continues to up the ante. 
        
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: poche delendus est
    « Reply #13 on: October 05, 2020, 03:14:20 PM »
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  • How will I know what Poche has to eat on Friday?

    Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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    Re: poche delendus est
    « Reply #14 on: October 05, 2020, 03:50:09 PM »
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  • Poche,

    For the love of God, just clarify what you meant.

    You make a big point of "we don't know if she's damned." Fine. We don't know whether there was some miraculous conversion. Got it.

    But you're implying that she is among the faithful departed, without any evidence. That's rash, and sows heresy in its implications.

    So sure, pray for her soul and that she converted to the Catholic faith in her last moments; that's extremely unlikely, but hey, yes, who knows? It's charitable to pray that she did leave this earth with the Catholic faith, and is not in torment now.

    The problem here is you're doing the rubber band, high wire act of Vatican II and Conciliar Church ambiguities - before Francis said clearly, enuf with the ambiguities - and allowing heresy to ferment when you could choke it out with a simple disavowal.  

    If Matthew bans you without a clarification from you, it's because you deserved it - and the reasonable suspicion is that the clarification does not come because that would manifest the deserving.
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.