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Plinio-worshippers: interesting link sent to me by Marion
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  • ANDREA TORNIELLI
    VATICAN CITY
    Pubblicato il 14/06/2017
    Ultima modifica il 15/06/2017 alle ore 12:01
    From afterlife, Plinio Correa de Oliveira, while sitting next to the Virgin Mary, is also regulating climate change and working in favor of Pope Francis’ soon death. Absurdities supported by the leaders of the Heralds of the Gospel. It was evident to many that, at the origin of the Vatican’s decision to conduct a thorough investigation on the Heralds there were more than solid reasons. However, some sought to mislead the investigation, by attempting to frame the decision of the Congregation for Religious in a non-existent witch hunt against those more traditional and conservative associations. On June 12, was issued the resignation letter of Monsignor João Scognamiglio Clá Dias, 77, founder and superior general of the clerical society of apostolic life “Virgo Flos Carmeli” and chairman of the “Arautos do Evangelho (Heralds of the Gospel), the first born and approved private association of faithful of the new millennium. In his letter, Monsignor Clá makes no reference to the thorough inquiry that the Vatican dicastery, led by the Brazilian Cardinal João Braz de Aviz, has begun. But the temporal coincidence is rather eloquent.
    The worship of Correa
    Among the reasons for the investigation is what the sociologist Massimo Introvigne calls “a sort of secret and extravagant cult to a kind of trinity composed of Plinio Correa de Oliveira, his mother Donna Lucilia, and Monsignor Clá Días himself.” The Brazilian Correa de Oliveira, named “Dr. Plinio,” who died in 1995, was a traditional, right wing and counter-revolutionary Catholic thinker, creator and founder of the TFP (Tradition, Family and Property) association, which dismembered after his death and from whose branches the Heralds of the Gospel were born. Many who quit the association wrote about this secret cult, which according to some would have gone far beyond the cult of personality.
    An occult doctrine supported by the devil
    What makes things even more complicated are some recently recorded videos, from which emerges that Scognamiglio Clá Dias, the Herald’s founder, and his priests use self-made exorcist rituals, believing ineffective those of the Catholic Church approved by the Holy See. And not only: the video also confirms the extravagant nature of Dr. Plinio and his mother Lucilia’s cult, as well as the fact that the now former superior of the Heralds gives credit to delusional theories, convincing his priests to do likewise. But who is the source of these pseudo-revelations? The devil himself, during one of the frequent exorcisms that the Heralds of the Gospel’s priests perform using formulas that do not have ecclesiastical approval. To prove it is a video that you can view here.
    http://www.lastampa.it/modulo/slideshow/jsp/video_embed.jsp?u=372ccda2-51ab-11e7-8399-e72a076712c7&w=480&h=270
    The video – which was certainly not “stolen” given the steadiness of the image and the fact that at the beginning there is footage showing the whole room – shows Scognamiglio Clá Dias while talking to about sixty of his priests. The video was shot during a recent papal journey and most certainly dates after February 2016, as one of the participants cites Francis’ pilgrimage to Mexico. Bishop Clá hands over to Father Beccari, who is standing next to him, some sheets of paper containing the transcript of a question-and-answer dialogue between a priest and the devil during an exorcism. The content of this delirious speech is read without the superior or the participants objecting anything. Indeed, everything is endorsed, and it is also understood, from a priest’s request to the devil, that all the questions were asked “by Bishop Clá’s order” and serve only “to confirm” what the Heralds already believe.
    A video shows Bishop João Clá, resigning superior of the lay association on which the Vatican is investigating, while giving credit to disturbing theories revealed by an alleged devil. Semi-divine celebration of the TFP founder and his mother
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    Re: Plinio-worshippers: interesting link sent to me by Marion
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  • Cera,

    Here's a recent TIA post authored by Professor Plinio Correa de Oliveira.

    Would you be so kind as to read it and debunk it for us?



    The Most Precious Blood of Our Lord
    Jesus Christ - July 1


     Prof. Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira

     I confess that of the feasts honoring Our Lord Jesus Christ, none speaks to me and impresses me more than the Feast of the Most Precious Blood.

     Of course, such impressions are personal and depend upon the way grace touches each person, but with me it is this way. This feast impresses me and I have a great personal inclination to the devotion of the Most Precious Blood. The reasons follow.

     What blood is & signifies


    bƖσσdshɛd speaks of violence, such as Cain killing Abel
    First, let us consider well what blood is and what bƖσσdshɛd signifies for us to understand the meaning of the effusion of the Precious Blood of Christ.

     We all know that the blood is an important part of our body and an essential element of our person. Therefore, we owe the same adoration to the Blood of Christ that we owe to Christ Himself.

     Blood flows inside our body, which is its natural condition and place. Thus, every effusion of blood, everything that makes the blood issue from our body, has a catastrophic character. There are illnesses that announce themselves by a loss of blood: A sign of pleurisy, for example, is when a person spits up blood. It signifies a disaster inside the body and is an alarm bell for us to pay attention because the internal system is not in good condition.

     bƖσσdshɛd speaks to us of violence, of crime. It is impossible to speak of bƖσσdshɛd without thinking of the blood of Abel, murdered by his brother Cain. Abel's blood, according to the Scripture, rose to Heaven calling for vengeance.

     Blood spilling on the ground — gushing from the body by a profound dilaceration of the being — gives us the idea of something unjust and iniquitous, representing a great perturbation of order, clamoring to God for redress.

     A sign of the mystery of iniquity

     When we think of the infinitely Precious Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ — that Blood generated in the womb of Our Lady, the Blood of David, a Blood hypostatically united to the Second Divine Person — we should consider that His Blood symbolized all the dignity of His Body, more or less like the juice of the grape represents what is best in it.


    Our Lord's blood spilled at the fierce flagellation
    That Blood, which fell to the ground by a series of abominable acts of violence — the Flagellation, the Crowing of Thorns, the Cross borne on His shoulders, the Crucifixion and torments of every kind — speaks of human wickedness and is a manifestation of the mystery of iniquity.

     It is so great a manifestation of iniquity that it acts as a reminder for us to understand all that decadent human nature — above all when directed by the Devil - is capable of doing: Man will go to the extreme of evil and not back down from anything.

     Therefore, in the face of evil we must have every possible suspicion; we must exercise the greatest vigilance. This is what the precept "watch and pray" means. Evil is capable of everything, of the worst infamies. We should employ against evil every way possible that is in accordance with the Law of God to deter it. From this perspective, every nap in the face of evil, every stupid optimism and every postponement of the fight becomes a crime.

     This is a very unpleasant thought for our natural tendency to be agreeable and sweet, and an enemy of division. But, we should meditate on the Precious Blood and see to what extreme the Revolution is willing to go. It does not recede before anything. It is evident that we are already before a manifestation of the Revolution — the worst one of them all — when we consider the one that went against the Man-God.

     The mercy of Our Lord for us

     Considering the Blood that Our Lord shed, it is important to note the mercy of God who desired it to flow with an unheard of abundance. Every drop of Blood in the Body of Our Lord was shed to show that He gave everything, moved by His intense desire to save us.

     He could have achieved the Redemption with just one drop of His Blood, but He shed all the Blood He had — to the point that, with the spear of Longinus, the last drops of Blood shed were mixed with water. He desired that nothing from His Blood should be spared to redeem us.


    His last drop of Precious Blood flowed with water when Longinus pierced His Heart with a lance
    This abundance of Blood and of suffering, this full surrender of Himself, remind us of these words of Our Lord: "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." (Jn 15:13) Now then, on this feast of the Precious Blood these words of the Gospel take on a special significance.

     He not only gave His life for us, but He wanted to suffer every physical and moral suffering. Each drop of Blood that fell from His Body was a drop of life that led to death. He wanted to pass through all those small deaths to show to what point He was our Friend.

     From this outpouring comes, on one hand, the trust we should have in His mercy. Since He did so much for us, enveloping us in His Blood and presenting us to the Eternal Father to ask forgiveness for our sins, we should also plead for forgiveness.

     On the other hand, it shows us how horrible the eternal destiny of the reprobates is. To prevent us from this fate, He went to that extreme point of suffering. We should see the terribleness of that evil He wanted us to avoid. So then, considering the Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ, we should measure the bottomless depth of Hell.

     The tears of Our Lady & Holy Eucharist

     It is impossible to deal with this subject without also considering, first, the tears Our Lady shed along with the Blood of Christ; and second, the Holy Eucharist.

     Our Lord did not want Our Lady to shed one single drop of her blood. He permitted everything to be done against Him, but did not allow the powers of evil to touch His Immaculate Mother with even a fingertip.


    The tears of Our Lady, the blood of her soul, shed for the salvation of mankind
    She did not endure any physical torment, but Our Lady shed another type of blood, her tears. We can say that tears are the blood of the soul. She suffered in her soul all the pain of His Passion and Death. The tears of Mary were shed as the first tribute of Christendom to complete what God desired be completed by the sufferings of the faithful in His Passion so that a great number of souls could be saved.

     Finally, we must think of the Holy Eucharist. The Blood of Christ that was shed along the road of the Way of the Cross, in Pilate's Praetorium, and from the heights of Calvary is entirely present in the holy Host.

     Many of us perhaps have received the Blood of Christ today or yesterday. When we receive the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ we should remember that this Precious Blood shed for us is inside us, laying claim to Heaven's mercy for us instead of vengeance, like the blood of Abel. We should receive the Holy Eucharist with great confidence and much joy to receive the Blood of Christ that ascends to Heaven claiming mercy for us.


           





    Prof. Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira

    The Saint of the Day features highlights from the lives of saints based on comments made by the late Prof. Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira. Following the example of St. John Bosco who used to make similar talks for the boys of his College, each evening it was Prof. Plinioʼs custom to make a short commentary on the lives of the next dayʼs saint in a meeting for youth in order to encourage them in the practice of virtue and love for the Catholic Church. TIA thought that its readers could profit from these valuable commentaries.

     The texts of both the biographical data and the comments come from personal notes taken by Atila S. Guimarães from 1964 to 1995. Given the fact that the source is a personal notebook, it is possible that at times the biographic notes transcribed here will not rigorously follow the original text read by Prof. Plinio. The commentaries have also been adapted and translated for TIAʼs site.


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Plinio-worshippers: interesting link sent to me by Marion
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  • Cera continues the obsession with TFP.  Most of the anti-TFP propaganda comes from that breakaway group, the Heralds, who were trying to take the entire organization and assets of the TFP in Brazil.  I know quite a few American TFP members and they are good, devout, zealous Catholics who deny all the Plinio worship nonsense.  None of those I know show any signs of being party to a cult.  Now I’ve known Opus Dei members who clearly are, so I know what that looks like.

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    Re: Plinio-worshippers: interesting link sent to me by Marion
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  • The OP article has nothing to do with Plinio. 

    It is about Monsignor Clá Días and the Heralds of the Gospel, who were formed after Plinio had gone to his reward. How  Plinio can be responsible for the actions of this group is beyond my understanding.

    And I don’t understand Cera’s repetetive attempts to besmirch his good name.

    I have been reading TIA for quite a while and have never come across any sign that would point to his self-aggrandisation.
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    Re: Plinio-worshippers: interesting link sent to me by Marion
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  • I can't comment if the TFP is a cult or cult like. The all seem like gentlemen to me, even the younger ones.
    However they seem to be fine with the Novus Ordo Church although they prefer to attend the Indult TLM.
    Also they seem to take many devout young men out of the running for the priesthood or marriage and maintain them in the single state- I think they must be single to be a member. I asked a leader about this, and he told me " We can do much more good outside of the Church (as a lay member) than in it". I disagree.


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    Re: Plinio-worshippers: interesting link sent to me by Marion
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  • I can't comment if the TFP is a cult or cult like. The all seem like gentlemen to me, even the younger ones.
    However they seem to be fine with the Novus Ordo Church although they prefer to attend the Indult TLM.
    Also they seem to take many devout young men out of the running for the priesthood or marriage and maintain them in the single state- I think they must be single to be a member. I asked a leader about this, and he told me " We can do much more good outside of the Church (as a lay member) than in it". I disagree.

    I wouldn't say they're "fine" with the NO, but they certainly have a Motarian mindset.  They don't like the NOM, but that's as far as it goes.

    Did you reverse the logic of that quote?  Didn't they say, "We can do much more good inside the Church than outside of it."

    Part of that is a hidden assumption that if you're a Traditional Catholic you're "outside" of the Church".

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    Re: Plinio-worshippers: interesting link sent to me by Marion
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  • I can't comment if the TFP is a cult or cult like. The all seem like gentlemen to me, even the younger ones.
    However they seem to be fine with the Novus Ordo Church although they prefer to attend the Indult TLM.
    Also they seem to take many devout young men out of the running for the priesthood or marriage and maintain them in the single state- I think they must be single to be a member. I asked a leader about this, and he told me " We can do much more good outside of the Church (as a lay member) than in it". I disagree.
    TFP is controlled opposition. One former member wrote this, which was published in Angelus Magazine:

    TFP: A DANGEROUS CULT

    John T. Armour

    I WAS A MEMBER of the American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property (TFP) from July 1980 until January 1981. I affiliated with the group after meeting with a TFP sympathizer in my home state of California. As a member, I lived at "the TFP seat" in Mount Kisco, New York, where I received the training and indoctrination that all members are given. I consider myself very fortunate to have been convinced by some good friends to separate from this group.

    Looking back, I can now see that the TFP is a dangerous personality cult whose purpose is the glorification of its Brazilian founder, Dr. Plinio Corea de Olivera. Many highly idealistic and religiously motivated young men have been captivated by its persuasive program. The appeals to moral, dogmatic and liturgical tradition which are so refreshing in this age of turmoil are, in my opinion, simply a means to lure individuals into the cult.

    During the period of training which I received, I was taught:

    * Dr. Plinio will never die. When his mission on earth is fulfilled, he will walk into an earthly paradise and then ascend into heaven.

    * Dr. Plinio's mission is to defeat "the revolution," the Communistic and/or demonic forces which are corrupting the human race. He is the "pilgrim of justice" sent by God for this purpose.

    * Next to the Blessed Virgin Mary, Dr. Plinio is most loved by God. Hence, St. Michael the Archangel is his own personal guardian angel.

    * Dr. Plinio has the power to read a man's soul in order to determine if he possesses "Tau," the vocation and quality to fight the revolution. He is even supposed to be able to make this determination from viewing a photograph. "Tau" can be found only in males.

    * Members of the TFP are required to pledge their allegiance to Dr. Plinio. They make a consecration of slavery to the Blessed Mother and to Dr. Plinio. So highly regarded is Dr. Plinio that we were encouraged to kiss one of his hats that had come into our possession. And we kept a special room set aside for him where we had a special bed raised on a platform above the floor.

    When I first arrived at TFP headquarters in New York, the leaders convinced me that the group was not a cult. They asked me what I had heard about the group and, after correcting minor mistaken notions I had, and after I had assured myself that I was not getting into something I would later regret being a part of, I became a member.

    Right away, a man was assigned to watch over me, answer my questions and keep me from knowing too much until they were sure of me. He even told me what to write in my letter to my parents. Those of us whose parents did not agree with the TFP soon found ourselves referring to our mothers and fathers as the "fountain of my revolution" (FMR). The inference was that each of us had a trace of the revolution in him, and it had been obtained as a result of the corruption and leniency of our parents. We were convinced to reject and ignore any advice from them, to see this corruption in all our family members, and to treat them accordingly. In time, I grew to despise my family. On one occasion when I was being encouraged in this attitude, I told the leaders that I had caused my mother to cry when I had talked with her by telephone. The leaders actually laughed. But, at the same time, we were urged to convince our parents that they should be proud of us because we were clean-cut gentlemen who were doing God's work.

    It may seem odd that a group such as the TFP could attract and hold anyone's confidence and loyalty. But the appeal of spirituality was very strong. We all knew that something was wrong both in the world and in the Church. Here was a dedicated group living an exemplary semi-monastic life, ostensibly formed to fight the decay we knew existed. And we were young and inexperienced. I was actually convinced that I was in the Blessed Mother's special army.

    The religious overtones were very heavy. We were encouraged to receive Holy Communion daily in the TFP Chapel. That it was distributed to us by a layman who was one of our own was done only out of supposed need. That need, of course, served to provide more evidence of the spread of the revolution. (A large number of hosts were consecrated three or four times a year by a visiting priest from Canada. He left them in our Chapel tabernacle.)

    The converted mansion where about sixty of us lived was full of holy pictures, statues and other religious articles. We were required to pray all fifteen decades of the Rosary daily, and meditation was encouraged. Each evening, after dinner, instruction from Dr. Plinio was given to all. Most often, this instruction came via recordings; sometimes it was a printed message that was read. All messages were in the Portuguese language which was translated into English by one of the leaders.

    We were led to believe that, if we left the TFP, Our Lady would chastise us because She did not want anyone to leave Her army. Many tales of terrible deaths suffered by those who left were recounted. We actually knew a Brazilian member who had been transferred to the United States, but who left the organization to get married. When he contracted a bone disease which killed him, many were pleased to learn that such justice had been delivered to a turncoat.

    The atmosphere cultivated within this group is one which holds that the entire world is corrupt and only the TFP has escaped the corruption. Even traditional Catholics, such as Archbishop Lefebvre and his followers, are scorned—though never publicly.

    Very few members ever attend Mass on Sundays, not because of any inability to locate a Tridentine Mass chapel, but because most do not want to go. A few do attend Mass at a nearby Byzantine Catholic Church. Members of the TFP derisively refer to faithful Catholics who do attend the Tridentine Mass as "trads." I was mocked one Sunday for reading the Mass to myself out of a missal. TFP leaders even joke about "trad" priests saying on one occasion that they would like to have one kept in the basement to be brought out when needed.

    It is my hope that no one will accept the TFP at face value. I believe the group to be a dangerous cult which does harm to those within its web, and to the Catholic Church which I thought I was serving while I was with it.

    http://www.angelusonline.org/index.php?section=articles
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    Re: Plinio-worshippers: interesting link sent to me by Marion
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  • TFP is controlled opposition. One former member wrote this, which was published in Angelus Magazine:

    TFP: A DANGEROUS CULT

    :facepalm:


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  • I wouldn't say they're "fine" with the NO, but they certainly have a Motarian mindset.  They don't like the NOM, but that's as far as it goes.

    Did you reverse the logic of that quote?  Didn't they say, "We can do much more good inside the Church than outside of it."

    Part of that is a hidden assumption that if you're a Traditional Catholic you're "outside" of the Church".
    No , I meant outside the Church in reference to being single as opposed to being a priest. I should have been more clear.

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  • No , I meant outside the Church in reference to being single as opposed to being a priest. I should have been more clear.

    Oh, I see.  Well, that may be true for some individuals.  It depends on what kind of thing an individual is called to.

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    Re: Plinio-worshippers: interesting link sent to me by Marion
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  • The grotesque video shows how João Scognamiglio Clá Dias more or less "sits in the temple shewing himself as" part of a blasphemous trinity consisting of Plínio, Plínio's mother Dona Lucília, and himself.

    What a peculiar coincidence: Dias does more or less the same thing which Plínio was accused to do, a few decades ago.

    Quote from: Átila Sinke Guimarães, Refutation of the TFP to a Frustrated Onslaught, 1984
    CHAPTER V
    SUPPOSED DETHRONEMENT OF OUR LADY IN THE TFP

    Another accusation that Mr. O.F. paints in dramatic colors is the supposed “dethronement” of Our Lady in the TFP.

    In his zeal to prove something so grave, he affirms that in the TFP there is devotion (cult) to Dona Lucilia and to Dr. Plinio.

    https://www.traditioninaction.org/Library/A_000_Index.htm
    https://www.traditioninaction.org/Library/texts/B_001_3Letters.pdf


    "Mr. O.F." is Orlando Fedeli, who had quit TFP, and in 1983 sent the “Litany of Dona Lucília” prayed by the TFP's inner circle to Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer, who condemned it. The litany and the letter of Fedeli are included in the above "Refutation" written by Guimarães, page 205. Response of de Castro Mayer page 207.
    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)


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  • Oh, I see.  Well, that may be true for some individuals.  It depends on what kind of thing an individual is called to.
    What is the benefit of all those Catholic single men, not in a religious vocation, living together indefinitely? No priesthood, no families... It is not individualized, it is the policy.

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  • ANDREA TORNIELLI
    [...]
    A video shows Bishop João Clá [...] while giving credit to disturbing theories revealed by an alleged devil. Semi-divine celebration of the TFP founder and his mother

    There is an article on the website of Brazilian mainstreem weekly IstoÉ (roughly the equivalent of U.S. Times or Newsweek) of 2019 titled: Os arautos do anticristo (The Heralds of Antichrist, in Portuguese language). Below the article there are 4 videos.

    The first video is an interview with a man who says he has been a member first of TFP, then Heralds for 18 years, his main job having been walking from door to door convincing people to give monthly donations. When he became overwrought, they put him into a clinic in Jundiaí SP, where he was drugged, and where he would still be today without help from his family.

    The other three videos show João Scognamiglio Clá Dias maltreating minors using weird kinds of exorcism, apparently to produce the type of content of the transcripts, read in the video linked in the OP. The deamons bear witness to the power of Plínio (better turn down the volume before starting these videos).

    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)