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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Please pray for Father Starbuck
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2022, 08:06:35 AM »
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  • But shortly after Fr. Perez’s death, a lay board rose up asserting its legal authority to appoint the next “pastor” of this parish. Iwant to be clear in stating that (w/o pointing a finger at them) this is Lutheranism pure and simple.Laypeople could never have the ecclesial power or jurisdiction to appoint or create a pastor. That they may have a legal right is not the same as having a divine right.

    That's a bit of a tricky situation given the crisis.  Of course lay people don't have jurisdiction to appoint or create a pastor, but neither do Trad priests somehow have jurisdiction by some kind of divine right or can be given jurisdiction from a Trad bishop.  Given the circuмstances, I don't see anything wrong with a practical situation where the lay people who perhaps built and funded the chapel, would have some say over who their Traditional priests (note, NOT pastors) are.  In the early church, bishops were often selected and elected by popular acclaim from the people, and there are stories of lay people driving out scoundrel (or heretical) bishops and then asking the Church to "send [them] a new one".  While it was never the case that these priests or bishops received their authority from the people, formally, nevertheless, it seemed common practice for the people to (materially) designate their pastors.  Given the situation here, where in either case there's no jurisdiction involved, I don't see the problem with it in principle.  Whether or not how they treated Father Starbuck was just or in conformity with charity is a separate issue (and I haven't followed the details closely to be able to comment on that).


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    Re: Please pray for Father Starbuck
    « Reply #16 on: August 16, 2022, 08:11:52 AM »
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  • That's a bit of a tricky situation given the crisis.  Of course lay people don't have jurisdiction to appoint or create a pastor, but neither do Trad priests somehow have jurisdiction by some kind of divine right or can be given jurisdiction from a Trad bishop.  Given the circuмstances, I don't see anything wrong with a practical situation where the lay people who perhaps built and funded the chapel, would have some say over who their Traditional priests (note, NOT pastors) are.  In the early church, bishops were often selected and elected by popular acclaim from the people, and there are stories of lay people driving out scoundrel (or heretical) bishops and then asking the Church to "send [them] a new one".  While it was never the case that these priests or bishops received their authority from the people, formally, nevertheless, it seemed common practice for the people to (materially) designate their pastors.  Given the situation here, where in either case there's no jurisdiction involved, I don't see the problem with it in principle.  Whether or not how they treated Father Starbuck was just or in conformity with charity is a separate issue (and I haven't followed the details closely to be able to comment on that).
    Indeed, and that is the issue to which I was referring.


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    Re: Please pray for Father Starbuck
    « Reply #17 on: August 16, 2022, 09:55:33 AM »
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  • Speaking of Our Lady Help of Christians, does anyone know who is staffing the chapel currently? I did see some time ago that some SSPX priests were helping out while the board was searching for a permanent pastor.

    And whatever happened to the mysterious "Father" Wiest? Is he still hanging around? There were many questions about the validity of his ordination.

    God bless Fr. Starbuck. He always struck me as a good and devoted priest, very solid.

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    Re: Please pray for Father Starbuck
    « Reply #18 on: August 16, 2022, 10:57:55 AM »
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  • Speaking of Our Lady Help of Christians, does anyone know who is staffing the chapel currently? I did see some time ago that some SSPX priests were helping out while the board was searching for a permanent pastor.

    And whatever happened to the mysterious "Father" Wiest? Is he still hanging around? There were many questions about the validity of his ordination.

    God bless Fr. Starbuck. He always struck me as a good and devoted priest, very solid.
    The bulletin for this past Sunday indicated a "Fr. Johnson".

    I heard "Fr." Wiest joined fr/b? Pfeiffer in his KY compound.

    There is NO PROOF of his having been ordained, validly or otherwise.

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    Re: Please pray for Father Starbuck
    « Reply #19 on: August 16, 2022, 12:14:24 PM »
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  • The Society's priory is sending priests there. Fr Johnson, Fr Burfitt have been there the most as of late.
    "You must train harder than the enemy who is trying to kill you. You will get all the rest you need in the grave."- Leon Degrelle


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    Re: Please pray for Father Starbuck
    « Reply #20 on: August 16, 2022, 04:30:06 PM »
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  • Sorry I didn't see this thread. Father Starbuck recovered several weeks ago and is doing well and saying Mass on Sundays and Holy Days. Thank you to all who added him to their prayers. Our little St. Dominic chapel now has three vocations, two who are leaving us to become Priests -- going to different seminaries, and one to become a sister.
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    Re: Please pray for Father Starbuck
    « Reply #21 on: August 16, 2022, 10:24:36 PM »
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  • "Priests offer the Holy Sacrifice. Altar boys serve."  ::)
    My mistake! :facepalm:

    Celebrating Mass, not serving.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Please pray for Father Starbuck
    « Reply #22 on: August 17, 2022, 07:13:44 AM »
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  • Sorry I didn't see this thread. Father Starbuck recovered several weeks ago and is doing well and saying Mass on Sundays and Holy Days. Thank you to all who added him to their prayers. Our little St. Dominic chapel now has three vocations, two who are leaving us to become Priests -- going to different seminaries, and one to become a sister.
    Thank you for the update 
    Which seminaries and convent are they going to?


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    Re: Please pray for Father Starbuck
    « Reply #23 on: August 17, 2022, 11:41:50 AM »
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  • Thank you for the update
    Which seminaries and convent are they going to?
    Hi Epiphany, I don't know, but one of the seminaries is in Europe.
    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary