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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: Cera on July 31, 2022, 11:43:28 AM
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Please pray for Father Starbuck; he has covid. No masses today.
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Please pray for Father Starbuck; he has covid. No masses today.
Who is Father Starbuck?
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Please pray for Father Starbuck; he has covid. No masses today.
God bless Fr. Starbuck.
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:pray:
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Who is Father Starbuck?
He's a TLM priest who has been serving Mass at Our Lady Help of Christians in Garden Grove, CA.
Cera probably knows his current situation.
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He's a TLM priest who has been serving Mass at Our Lady Help of Christians in Garden Grove, CA.
Cera probably knows his current situation.
He has not served mass at OLHC since shortly after Fr. Perez died. The school board kicked him out.
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He has not served offered Holy Mass at OLHC since shortly after Fr. Perez died. The school board kicked him out.
This sounds so protestant. Priests offer the Holy Sacrifice. Altar boys serve.
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He's a TLM priest who has been serving Mass at Our Lady Help of Christians in Garden Grove, CA.
Cera probably knows his current situation.
Thanks for explaining! I just had never heard of him before! 😅
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He's a TLM priest who has been serving Mass at Our Lady Help of Christians in Garden Grove, CA.
Cera probably knows his current situation.
"Priests offer the Holy Sacrifice. Altar boys serve." ::)
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"Priests offer the Holy Sacrifice. Altar boys serve." ::)
He uses to be at OLHC in Garden Grove but had a falling out after Fr. Perez died. He offers the pre 55 Missal in his house I believe, which is close to Garden Grove. I think it's in Santa Anna, CA. His Sunday masses are live streamed on YouTube. Go to YouTube and search " st. Dominic's chapel father starbuck" and it will come right up. He's extremely outspoken against modernism and the controversial issues of the day.
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He uses to be at OLHC in Garden Grove but had a falling out after Fr. Perez died. He offers the pre 55 Missal in his house I believe, which is close to Garden Grove. I think it's in Santa Anna, CA. His Sunday masses are live streamed on YouTube. Go to YouTube and search " st. Dominic's chapel father starbuck" and it will come right up. He's extremely outspoken against modernism and the controversial issues of the day.
Oh! Another priest who does the pre-1955 missal! I will have to look him up! Thank you for the information! 🥰
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When he left OLHC, it was a mutual agreement. Santa Ana has only one n.
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When he left OLHC, it was a mutual agreement.
Wrong. He was kicked out.
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When he left OLHC, it was a mutual agreement.
This is a deceitful statement.
In another thread, Fr. Starbuck, himself, makes it clear it was NOT "a mutual agreement."
Others posted that Fr. Starbuck was threatened with police action against him if he set foot on the property of OLHC.
You posted heavily in that thread.
You know darn good and well that Fr. Starbuck's departure was NOT "a mutual agreement".
To refresh your memory:
19 December 2021
Sunday
I had a sermon prepared for this morning. However,there are some matters of business that do not allow ofdeferral. Therefore, I will present that sermon at a later time.
I have always tried to be truthful and to do the rightthing. And sometimes I have paid a price for that. Butplease know this about me: I will always try to be
honest with you and to fulfill my commitment to youas a public servant and as a priest.I want to begin by
saying that these past five weeks of my life have beenlike no others. My vocation is not a job. It demands my every moment, and my every commitment, but this is especially so these past few weeks. And this on top
of so much recent loss. I have given 15 years now ofmy life to this parish (a quarter of my life), and I washoping to spend the remainder of my years here. I still hope that is possible. Over these years, I have rolled with the punches, & endured intricate/delicate, indeed,often complex situations. I have held my own. But when Fr. Perez died, there was only one person here who would rightfully have pastoral seniority to succeed
him; and, like it or not, that is me. But shortly after Fr. Perez’s death, a lay board rose up asserting its legal authority to appoint the next “pastor” of this parish. Iwant to be clear in stating that (w/o pointing a finger at them) this is Lutheranism pure and simple.Laypeople could never have the ecclesial power or jurisdiction to appoint or create a pastor. That they may have a legal right is not the same as having a divine right. And while there are fine people on this board who engender
my complete respect, the cohesion and leadership of this lay incorporation has been problematic. Nor do I see it being able to work. I did make it clear that I will not serve under another “pastor.” At the same time, I have wanted to facilitate the transition that the church
is undergoing at least through the end of the year. That has been my desire.
I do not take my marching orders from laypeople. And I cannot, as a priest, answer to competing voices on a lay board. And moreover, as a priest, my credibility, leadership,and moral responsibility could be jeopardized if a
situation not yet addressed in this parish is allowed to continue. My continuous requests for the vetting of
priests serving in this parish have not & are not being met. We have had a couple of “priests” coming through here whose ordination I found questionable
(based on information that later became available), and we have had at least one priest who had no business being here. Yes, mistakes were made (albeit, not on
my part), and we should have learned from them. Five years ago, I proposed to Fr. Perez the following specific requirements of any priest serving in this parish. And they are the following:
1. A criminal background check with ID, performed by a reputable third party, meeting state compliancy.
Also, the background check that I am requesting is not just a clearance check. It must consist of a positive trace of the person’s history.
2. References.
3. A chronological work history.
4. Proof of ordination. And I want to know the ordaining bishop, seminary, and formational contacts. And just for your information, as a Dominican I
underwent thorough background checks and continuous vetting over a period of seven years. And I lived under a virtual microscope 24 hours a day during
that time. Moreover, my background is not hidden. My formation and ordination can be found on the Internet. They are public.
Of note, a request that I made of Fr. Perez last summer got dragged out, & and was never completed. And if I
do not say something now, this situation will never be addressed. Let me ask a question. If you hired someone to work on your house, would you not want
references? Or if you sent your children to a day care center, would you not want references? This is the house of God. Can we be any less responsible? So here is what I am asking: A priest is a public person. Let me repeat that: A priest is a public person. Therefore, with due respect to all parties involved & a presumption of good will on the part of
all, I am asking that the vetting of Fr. Wiest be completed, and that the results of that vetting process, including proof of ordination be made public. The
problem is that there is no public life of any Fr.Michael Wiest (I know this in part, not just because it cannot be found on the internet, but because I actually had a professional investigator call me one day to inform me of this. He was completely puzzled.) there is no public life of any Fr. Michael Wiest who was
born in Chicago, ordained in Italy, and who served in any parish or diocese during these past 30 or so years.
There is no public record of ministry. There is norecord of pastoral assignments. In short, there is no
such public person. And the fact that there is no such public person does not just amount to an absence of information, it amounts to a fact that demands explanation. It is a problem. And for this reason many in this parish question his ordination. For his own benefit we need to answer this question. And we need to know the credentials of any priest serving in
this parish. That is not asking too much.
Finally, while I do not acknowledge the ecclesial authority of a lay board, if one is to exist, it must be cohesive, charitable, and committed to the principles of the Catholic faith. And if the parishioners of this church are unhappy with this arrangement, perhaps they need to consider another option, perhaps the appointment of a new board which they feel represents
them. ....
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Please pray for Father Starbuck; he has covid. No masses today.
How is Fr. Starbuck doing?
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But shortly after Fr. Perez’s death, a lay board rose up asserting its legal authority to appoint the next “pastor” of this parish. Iwant to be clear in stating that (w/o pointing a finger at them) this is Lutheranism pure and simple.Laypeople could never have the ecclesial power or jurisdiction to appoint or create a pastor. That they may have a legal right is not the same as having a divine right.
That's a bit of a tricky situation given the crisis. Of course lay people don't have jurisdiction to appoint or create a pastor, but neither do Trad priests somehow have jurisdiction by some kind of divine right or can be given jurisdiction from a Trad bishop. Given the circuмstances, I don't see anything wrong with a practical situation where the lay people who perhaps built and funded the chapel, would have some say over who their Traditional priests (note, NOT pastors) are. In the early church, bishops were often selected and elected by popular acclaim from the people, and there are stories of lay people driving out scoundrel (or heretical) bishops and then asking the Church to "send [them] a new one". While it was never the case that these priests or bishops received their authority from the people, formally, nevertheless, it seemed common practice for the people to (materially) designate their pastors. Given the situation here, where in either case there's no jurisdiction involved, I don't see the problem with it in principle. Whether or not how they treated Father Starbuck was just or in conformity with charity is a separate issue (and I haven't followed the details closely to be able to comment on that).
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That's a bit of a tricky situation given the crisis. Of course lay people don't have jurisdiction to appoint or create a pastor, but neither do Trad priests somehow have jurisdiction by some kind of divine right or can be given jurisdiction from a Trad bishop. Given the circuмstances, I don't see anything wrong with a practical situation where the lay people who perhaps built and funded the chapel, would have some say over who their Traditional priests (note, NOT pastors) are. In the early church, bishops were often selected and elected by popular acclaim from the people, and there are stories of lay people driving out scoundrel (or heretical) bishops and then asking the Church to "send [them] a new one". While it was never the case that these priests or bishops received their authority from the people, formally, nevertheless, it seemed common practice for the people to (materially) designate their pastors. Given the situation here, where in either case there's no jurisdiction involved, I don't see the problem with it in principle. Whether or not how they treated Father Starbuck was just or in conformity with charity is a separate issue (and I haven't followed the details closely to be able to comment on that).
Indeed, and that is the issue to which I was referring.
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Speaking of Our Lady Help of Christians, does anyone know who is staffing the chapel currently? I did see some time ago that some SSPX priests were helping out while the board was searching for a permanent pastor.
And whatever happened to the mysterious "Father" Wiest? Is he still hanging around? There were many questions about the validity of his ordination.
God bless Fr. Starbuck. He always struck me as a good and devoted priest, very solid.
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Speaking of Our Lady Help of Christians, does anyone know who is staffing the chapel currently? I did see some time ago that some SSPX priests were helping out while the board was searching for a permanent pastor.
And whatever happened to the mysterious "Father" Wiest? Is he still hanging around? There were many questions about the validity of his ordination.
God bless Fr. Starbuck. He always struck me as a good and devoted priest, very solid.
The bulletin for this past Sunday indicated a "Fr. Johnson".
I heard "Fr." Wiest joined fr/b? Pfeiffer in his KY compound.
There is NO PROOF of his having been ordained, validly or otherwise.
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The Society's priory is sending priests there. Fr Johnson, Fr Burfitt have been there the most as of late.
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Sorry I didn't see this thread. Father Starbuck recovered several weeks ago and is doing well and saying Mass on Sundays and Holy Days. Thank you to all who added him to their prayers. Our little St. Dominic chapel now has three vocations, two who are leaving us to become Priests -- going to different seminaries, and one to become a sister.
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"Priests offer the Holy Sacrifice. Altar boys serve." ::)
My mistake! :facepalm:
Celebrating Mass, not serving.
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Sorry I didn't see this thread. Father Starbuck recovered several weeks ago and is doing well and saying Mass on Sundays and Holy Days. Thank you to all who added him to their prayers. Our little St. Dominic chapel now has three vocations, two who are leaving us to become Priests -- going to different seminaries, and one to become a sister.
Thank you for the update
Which seminaries and convent are they going to?
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Thank you for the update
Which seminaries and convent are they going to?
Hi Epiphany, I don't know, but one of the seminaries is in Europe.