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Please help
« on: May 30, 2017, 03:03:19 PM »
I don’t know if you are willing to help but I will ask.

I am a cradle Catholic and want to be in good standing with the Church. In 2004 I made the observation
that the Magisterium had come to believe in what I believe to be a mythical “ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ person”.

I do not judge anyone we all have the gift of freewill and will all be judged by the Lord for our lives.
However the Magisterium does not have freewill but has an obligation to the Lord to be consistent with
the Sacred Deposit of Faith.

I don’t want to get too detailed if you are unwilling to help, I will give a synopsis.

In this section of the Catechism 2357 I believe the Magisterium defines “ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity”:

“ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive
or predominate sɛҳuąƖ attraction toward persons of the same sex.”

I believe this defines two categories of "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ persons" those with an "exclusive sɛҳuąƖ attraction toward
persons of the same sex" and those with a "predominate sɛҳuąƖ attraction toward persons of the same sex".

I believe this is a new claim by the Magisterium circa 1997 with the new Catechism of the Catholic Church(2357).
I cannot quantify what a predominate "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ person" is, the exclusive "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ person" is clear they
are not capable of sɛҳuąƖ attraction towards persons of the opposite sex. For the past thirteen years I have been
seeking answers for this new claim from Catholic clergy, scholars and the Magisterium most do not respond, for
those kind and reply it ultimately comes down to go away kid and don't bother me without providing a truly right
and just reason for this new claim. I believe the "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ person"(as defined by the Magisterium) to be a false
premise that is a stumbling block that has been laid on the path of confused individuals. I believe that accepting
this false premise of the “ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ person” keeps souls from the Father Almighty, and causes souls to fall to
Satan. I understand that one can put a time constraint on an exclusivity the Magisterium does not in this case.
To the contrary the Magisterium accepts a new type of person the “ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ person” (CCC 2359). My
understanding is that until this new claim the only type of persons that the Church has recognized are male and
female created by the Lord for the gift of procreation. Do you know of a truly right and just reason for this new claim?

I believe I have tried all methods available to me within the Church to have this issue addressed If nothing else I would
be interested in an objective opinion. I believe this to be an error by the Magisterium that for reason I am unaware the
Magisterium refuses to confront. This is a simple but I believe very serious error by the Magisterium whose ramification
extends much beyond human sɛҳuąƖity.

The most honest rationalization from the clergy I have had was a Priest who wrote:

“It is an 'earthly fact' that there are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ people”

I believe that this Priest is correct; unfortunately he also believes this to be true. The Magisterium at one time agree
to the “earthly fact” that the sun circled the earth in time they corrected this error. I know that in the Lord’s time He
will have this error corrected by the Magisterium. I believe the Magisterium encouraging confused individuals to
believe they are something that doesn’t exist a much more harmful error.

For over 3400 years since the earliest written recognition of the Lord by man; SSA and SS behavior have also
been recognized. The mythical “ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ person” was accepted by the Magisterium for no good reason in 1997
less than 20 years ago.

I believe the Magisterium has no authority to present what is false as true as they have here. I am just
a faithful Catholic that doesn’t understand why my Bishop and the Magisterium shun me without addressing
my concern.

I believe the fundamental issue is that this mythical "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ person" has been accepted as real.
SSA is real a temptation or sinful if obsessed on, SS behavior is real a sin and exclusive SSA a myth promoted
by an LGBT orthodoxy that demands total acceptance with no tolerance of differing views. Do you know how
to have the Magisterium address my concern?

I hope you can help illuminate this error by the Magisterium so they will correct this error for the Lord.

Maybe your Bishop would be willing to help pursue this for the Lord; while generous in his time my Bishop
has refused to address or pursue this issue only pointing to Church teaching that does not address my concern.

God bless and thanks

Re: Please help
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2017, 03:23:55 PM »
Truth is the church you see is not catholic, that is, is not in line with Christ and the 10 commandments.  They know this. The church shook hand with Moscow a long time ago.  That New Order church serves Gov't and State.  They do the agenda of the Gov't and state/Federal.  The Church that Christ founded is now a remnant. That True Church can still be obtained, but not like it used to be.

So, this counterfeit church accepts ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs and support them well in catholic charities, just like abortion is also $ supported in the charities.

When New order does business, It is not the "Father's business.  The Church of Christ has been destroyed around the world.  Mexico was forced in 1917=29.  Many killed, in jail, or clergy left in the streets.  Europe, the same, forced.  Brazil in the 1980's, forced again.  USA must have it destroyed very slow, for the enemy knows how it can be destroyed.  

Scriptures tells us in prophecies to expect this.  We are now in the most evil of times.  Satan has been permitted time and Christ will have His day.  So, best to leave where you are.  Find CMRI or independents Traditional.  www.traditio.com has a list by state.


Re: Please help
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2017, 04:33:48 PM »
Welcome jjr9! 

First, you must realise that the CCC is the outcome of the Second Vatican Council - you know, that council that boasted that it would throw open the windows of the Church to allow in all the pollutants floating around in the outside world. So what do you know about the Second Vatican Council? You obviously take the CCC very seriously, and herein is your mistake. 

In brief, the new order arising out of Vatican II is just that - a new church. There are many vested interests in keeping the status quo and no newchurch bishop that we know of right now is going to rock the boat. This is part of the great apostasy (the revolt) mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2. 

Thirteen years is a good long time to search for answers from the new church. 

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is just one issue that has been confused by this CCC. Just keep it as a reference book but do not use it as a guide or believe that it is a truly Catholic docuмent, because it is not.

Gpd bless your persistence and sincere search.

Re: Please help
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2017, 04:40:45 AM »
I don't worry about categories. I just say that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts are a mortal sin and they need to be confessed.   

Re: Please help
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2017, 01:08:42 PM »
Thank you for the responses I believe that the Lord gave the Magisterium
a great deal of latitude in how to run His Church as far as I know we were
left with the Holy Spirit to help guide the Magisterium and the Lord said His
Church will stand till the end of time and the Lord will return in Glory.

I am just trying to serve the Lord and bring this error to the attention of the
Magisterium. If someone can help with this I would be grateful. As far as I
know this claim of exclusive SSA is the only thing the Magisterium is presenting
as true that is false. I have Faith that the Lord will have the Magisterium
correct this error in His time.

God bless