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Title: Please help
Post by: jjr9 on May 30, 2017, 03:03:19 PM
I don’t know if you are willing to help but I will ask.

I am a cradle Catholic and want to be in good standing with the Church. In 2004 I made the observation
that the Magisterium had come to believe in what I believe to be a mythical “homosexual person”.

I do not judge anyone we all have the gift of freewill and will all be judged by the Lord for our lives.
However the Magisterium does not have freewill but has an obligation to the Lord to be consistent with
the Sacred Deposit of Faith.

I don’t want to get too detailed if you are unwilling to help, I will give a synopsis.

In this section of the Catechism 2357 I believe the Magisterium defines “homosexuality”:

“Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive
or predominate sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex.”

I believe this defines two categories of "homosexual persons" those with an "exclusive sexual attraction toward
persons of the same sex" and those with a "predominate sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex".

I believe this is a new claim by the Magisterium circa 1997 with the new Catechism of the Catholic Church(2357).
I cannot quantify what a predominate "homosexual person" is, the exclusive "homosexual person" is clear they
are not capable of sexual attraction towards persons of the opposite sex. For the past thirteen years I have been
seeking answers for this new claim from Catholic clergy, scholars and the Magisterium most do not respond, for
those kind and reply it ultimately comes down to go away kid and don't bother me without providing a truly right
and just reason for this new claim. I believe the "homosexual person"(as defined by the Magisterium) to be a false
premise that is a stumbling block that has been laid on the path of confused individuals. I believe that accepting
this false premise of the “homosexual person” keeps souls from the Father Almighty, and causes souls to fall to
Satan. I understand that one can put a time constraint on an exclusivity the Magisterium does not in this case.
To the contrary the Magisterium accepts a new type of person the “homosexual person” (CCC 2359). My
understanding is that until this new claim the only type of persons that the Church has recognized are male and
female created by the Lord for the gift of procreation. Do you know of a truly right and just reason for this new claim?

I believe I have tried all methods available to me within the Church to have this issue addressed If nothing else I would
be interested in an objective opinion. I believe this to be an error by the Magisterium that for reason I am unaware the
Magisterium refuses to confront. This is a simple but I believe very serious error by the Magisterium whose ramification
extends much beyond human sexuality.

The most honest rationalization from the clergy I have had was a Priest who wrote:

“It is an 'earthly fact' that there are homosexual people”

I believe that this Priest is correct; unfortunately he also believes this to be true. The Magisterium at one time agree
to the “earthly fact” that the sun circled the earth in time they corrected this error. I know that in the Lord’s time He
will have this error corrected by the Magisterium. I believe the Magisterium encouraging confused individuals to
believe they are something that doesn’t exist a much more harmful error.

For over 3400 years since the earliest written recognition of the Lord by man; SSA and SS behavior have also
been recognized. The mythical “homosexual person” was accepted by the Magisterium for no good reason in 1997
less than 20 years ago.

I believe the Magisterium has no authority to present what is false as true as they have here. I am just
a faithful Catholic that doesn’t understand why my Bishop and the Magisterium shun me without addressing
my concern.

I believe the fundamental issue is that this mythical "homosexual person" has been accepted as real.
SSA is real a temptation or sinful if obsessed on, SS behavior is real a sin and exclusive SSA a myth promoted
by an LGBT orthodoxy that demands total acceptance with no tolerance of differing views. Do you know how
to have the Magisterium address my concern?

I hope you can help illuminate this error by the Magisterium so they will correct this error for the Lord.

Maybe your Bishop would be willing to help pursue this for the Lord; while generous in his time my Bishop
has refused to address or pursue this issue only pointing to Church teaching that does not address my concern.

God bless and thanks
Title: Re: Please help
Post by: songbird on May 30, 2017, 03:23:55 PM
Truth is the church you see is not catholic, that is, is not in line with Christ and the 10 commandments.  They know this. The church shook hand with Moscow a long time ago.  That New Order church serves Gov't and State.  They do the agenda of the Gov't and state/Federal.  The Church that Christ founded is now a remnant. That True Church can still be obtained, but not like it used to be.

So, this counterfeit church accepts homosexuals and support them well in catholic charities, just like abortion is also $ supported in the charities.

When New order does business, It is not the "Father's business.  The Church of Christ has been destroyed around the world.  Mexico was forced in 1917=29.  Many killed, in jail, or clergy left in the streets.  Europe, the same, forced.  Brazil in the 1980's, forced again.  USA must have it destroyed very slow, for the enemy knows how it can be destroyed.  

Scriptures tells us in prophecies to expect this.  We are now in the most evil of times.  Satan has been permitted time and Christ will have His day.  So, best to leave where you are.  Find CMRI or independents Traditional.  www.traditio.com has a list by state.
Title: Re: Please help
Post by: Nadir on May 30, 2017, 04:33:48 PM
Welcome jjr9! 

First, you must realise that the CCC is the outcome of the Second Vatican Council - you know, that council that boasted that it would throw open the windows of the Church to allow in all the pollutants floating around in the outside world. So what do you know about the Second Vatican Council? You obviously take the CCC very seriously, and herein is your mistake. 

In brief, the new order arising out of Vatican II is just that - a new church. There are many vested interests in keeping the status quo and no newchurch bishop that we know of right now is going to rock the boat. This is part of the great apostasy (the revolt) mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2. 

Thirteen years is a good long time to search for answers from the new church. 

Homosexuality is just one issue that has been confused by this CCC. Just keep it as a reference book but do not use it as a guide or believe that it is a truly Catholic document, because it is not.

Gpd bless your persistence and sincere search.
Title: Re: Please help
Post by: poche on May 31, 2017, 04:40:45 AM
I don't worry about categories. I just say that homosexual acts are a mortal sin and they need to be confessed.   
Title: Re: Please help
Post by: jjr9 on May 31, 2017, 01:08:42 PM
Thank you for the responses I believe that the Lord gave the Magisterium
a great deal of latitude in how to run His Church as far as I know we were
left with the Holy Spirit to help guide the Magisterium and the Lord said His
Church will stand till the end of time and the Lord will return in Glory.

I am just trying to serve the Lord and bring this error to the attention of the
Magisterium. If someone can help with this I would be grateful. As far as I
know this claim of exclusive SSA is the only thing the Magisterium is presenting
as true that is false. I have Faith that the Lord will have the Magisterium
correct this error in His time.

God bless
Title: Re: Please help
Post by: songbird on May 31, 2017, 08:05:39 PM
It is all in prophecies, what will happen.  We are in evil times, time given to Satan, when his time is up, the church will have gone to the crucifix and will resurrect.A time of peace will follow.  Apocalypse.
Title: Re: Please help
Post by: Nadir on June 01, 2017, 01:40:57 AM
Thank you for the responses I believe that the Lord gave the Magisterium
a great deal of latitude in how to run His Church as far as I know we were
left with the Holy Spirit to help guide the Magisterium and the Lord said His
Church will stand till the end of time and the Lord will return in Glory.

I am just trying to serve the Lord and bring this error to the attention of the
Magisterium. If someone can help with this I would be grateful. As far as I
know this claim of exclusive SSA is the only thing the Magisterium is presenting
as true that is false. I have Faith that the Lord will have the Magisterium
correct this error in His time.

God bless
Here is a prophecy given in an approved apparition:

“Rome will lose the Faith and become the Seat of the Antichrist.”—- Our Lady of LaSalette.

Title: Re: Please help
Post by: poche on June 01, 2017, 05:46:55 AM
Here is a prophecy given in an approved apparition:

“Rome will lose the Faith and become the Seat of the Antichrist.”—- Our Lady of LaSalette.
Jesus said,  "and the gates of the hell shall not prevail" 
Title: Re: Please help
Post by: Nadir on June 01, 2017, 06:25:46 PM
Quote from: Nadir on Today at 01:40:57 AM (https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/please-help-44952/msg552260/#msg552260)
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Here is a prophecy given in an approved apparition:

“Rome will lose the Faith and become the Seat of the Antichrist.”—- Our Lady of LaSalette.
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Response from Poche: Jesus said,  "and the gates of the hell shall not prevail" 


Of course, Our Blessed Lady never contradicts her Son. And these two quotes do not contradict each other

Here is another which gives us the assurance that the evil one will continue to do his business, but the Church will prevail and the faithfulness of Her members will be rewarded. 

2 Thessalonians 2:

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[1] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=1-#x) And we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and of our gathering together unto him: [2] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=2-#x) That you be not easily moved from your sense, nor be terrified, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by epistle, as sent from us, as if the day of the Lord were at hand. [3] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=3-#x) Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, [4] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=4-#x) Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God. [5] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=5-#x) Remember you not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
[6] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=6-#x) And now you know what withholdeth, that he may be revealed in his time. [7] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=7-#x) For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way. [8] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=8-#x) And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, him, [9] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=9-#x) Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders, [10] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=10-#x) And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying:
[11] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=11-#x) That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity. [12] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=12-#x) But we ought to give thanks to God always for you, brethren, beloved of God, for that God hath chosen you firstfruits unto salvation, in sanctification of the spirit, and faith of the truth: [13] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=13-#x) Whereunto also he hath called you by our gospel, unto the purchasing of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. [14] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=14-#x) Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. [15] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=15-#x) Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God and our Father, who hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation, and good hope in grace, [16] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=16-#x) Exhort your hearts, and confirm you in every good work and word.


Title: Re: Please help
Post by: jjr9 on February 03, 2018, 02:37:18 PM
What I have seen in press reports is very disturbing:
( Ref: https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/car...osexual-un (https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/cardinal-reinhard-marx-vs.-cardinal-and-saint-peter-damian-do-homosexual-un) )
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According to Cardinal Reinhard Marx, homosexual relationships have "worth," a worth
that must be recognized by the Catholic Church.

"We have to respect the decisions of people," Marx told the media last week in Dublin after
delivering a speech at Trinity College, according to a recent report in the Irish Times.

"We have to respect the decisions of people. We have to respect also, as I said in the first
synod on the family, some were shocked but I think it's normal, you cannot say that a
relationship between a man and a man and they are faithful [that] that is nothing, that has
no worth," he said.

Consequently, according to Marx, the Church owes homosexuals an apology for its historical
treatment of homosexuals. "As Church and society, we have to say 'Sorry, Sorry,'" Marx said.
He added that the Church should support "regulating" homosexual partnerships. "We as church
cannot be against it."
__________________________________________________________________________________

I believe Cardinal Marx's remarks the predictable fruit of this error by the Magisterium; accepting the
mythical "homosexual person" as real. While the official position of the Magisterium is not as far down
the path of accepting the mythical "homosexual person" as real, make no mistake the Magisterium is
on the same path as Cardinal Marx. As far as I know the Magisterium has not condemned these statements
by Cardinal Marx's.

I believe no one can show this idea of exclusive SSA in any Church teaching prior to 1997 because it
does not exist. With the same rational Cardinal Marx's view could be inserted into "Church teaching"
if you believe exclusive SSA is in Church teaching prior to 1997 can you please show this to me?

I hope you can forgive my frustration coming through but the wall of apathy that I have been
hitting my head against, in the Clergy, while serving the Lord is taxing; the Lord has not failed in
refreshing my soul. In my conversations with Priests about 1 in 5 believe SS behavior should become
acceptable in the eyes of the Lord's Church, for the rest it can be best summed up by a young Priest
I have talked to recently who believes the claim by the Magisterium doesn't matter; so long as the
Lord's Church continues to hold the line that SS behavior is sinful. I believe this false claim by the
Magisterium, that some of God's Children have an exclusive SSA, only bolsters the view by the number
of Priests I have found, that believe SS behavior should become acceptable in the eyes of the Lord's
Church. I believe if the Magisterium were to continue to spread this lie of Satan Cardinal Marx's view
would become dominate and the Lord's Church in future generations would declare SS behavior AOK in
"marriage" as other "churches" already unmoored from the Sacred Deposit of Faith do. I know the Lord
will not allow this to continue. I believe this error by the Magisterium an unmooring from and not in
harmony with the Sacred Deposit of Faith, in this matter, and a terrible precedent. What in the Sacred
Deposit of Faith is safe? What is next?

I believe from Adam to Jesus, the perfect Adam, our faith has warned about an external evil one whether
the snake in the garden or Christ allowing the evil one to tempt Himself in the desert. I believed Christ
warned more about falling for the lies of Satan than anything else:

"deliver us from the evil one." Matthew 6:13

I believe the evil one is behind the LGBTQ+ orthodoxy spreading Satan's lie that some of God's children
have an exclusive SSA. I note that this name and mob is getting larger and louder as time goes by. This
whole LGBTQ+ movement is really a rejection of our Lord as their Creator substituting themselves for our
Lord. I understand that the Magisterium does not yet condone degenerate behavior and self-mutilation;
unfortunately, this is not far down the path chosen. I do not know what is going on here; but this generation
in the Magisterium is not in harmony with tradition in regard to this matter. Why the Magisterium is adopting
this lie of Satan's as its own is beyond my understanding. I believe it will be a shame if the Magisterium
degenerates into a Sanhedrin, looking to earthly wisdom rather than the Holy Spirit; the Person of the
Trinity who stays here to help keep us connected to the Sacred Deposit of Faith, precipitating the glorious
return of our Lord to fix this error Himself and right His Church Himself.

My faith tells me none of God's children has an exclusive SSA I hope yours does too.

If someone knows how to have the Magisterium address this error I would be grateful.

God bless
Title: Re: Please help
Post by: MyrnaM on February 03, 2018, 02:54:18 PM
I just posted this tidbit on my blog a short time ago ... 

The other day I was watching on Youtube an old video from 1955, it was Archbishop Fulton Sheen titled: How to Think, (about statistics).
If you are familiar with his style, he has a unique way of blending serious facts with humor.  After his presentation, he mentioned that he would now give us a statistic that was 100% accurate, no doubt about it, we could take this particular statistic to the bank.  He said speaking of marriage, that 50% of the people married were women, and the other 50% were men.  
Title: Re: Please help
Post by: graceseeker on February 13, 2018, 04:06:53 PM
Truth is the church you see is not catholic, that is, is not in line with Christ and the 10 commandments.  They know this. The church shook hand with Moscow a long time ago.  That New Order church serves Gov't and State.  They do the agenda of the Gov't and state/Federal.  The Church that Christ founded is now a remnant. That True Church can still be obtained, but not like it used to be.

So, this counterfeit church accepts homosexuals and support them well in catholic charities, just like abortion is also $ supported in the charities.

When New order does business, It is not the "Father's business.  The Church of Christ has been destroyed around the world.  Mexico was forced in 1917=29.  Many killed, in jail, or clergy left in the streets.  Europe, the same, forced.  Brazil in the 1980's, forced again.  USA must have it destroyed very slow, for the enemy knows how it can be destroyed.  

Scriptures tells us in prophecies to expect this.  We are now in the most evil of times.  Satan has been permitted time and Christ will have His day.  So, best to leave where you are.  Find CMRI or independents Traditional.  www.traditio.com has a list by state.
biggest tragedy in world history
Title: Re: Please help
Post by: Luke3 on February 15, 2018, 08:26:52 PM
Thank you for the responses I believe that the Lord gave the Magisterium
a great deal of latitude in how to run His Church as far as I know we were
left with the Holy Spirit to help guide the Magisterium and the Lord said His
Church will stand till the end of time and the Lord will return in Glory.

I am just trying to serve the Lord and bring this error to the attention of the
Magisterium. If someone can help with this I would be grateful. As far as I
know this claim of exclusive SSA is the only thing the Magisterium is presenting
as true that is false. I have Faith that the Lord will have the Magisterium
correct this error in His time.

God bless
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In case anyone did not know, homosexuality is a punishment from God, for faithlessness, sins of the flesh, and the worship of man.  This is why there is an obelisk [phallic symbol] down at the swamp [Washington D.C.].  The punishment is cited in Romans chapter 1.

Romans 1:18-28,32 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and injustice of those men that detain the truth of God in injustice: Because that which is known of God is manifest in them. For God hath manifested it unto them.  For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable. Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God, or given thanks; but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened.  For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.  And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man, and of birds, and of fourfooted beasts, and of creeping things. Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves.  Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.  For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature.  And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.  And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient; … Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.

Those who consent or condone this behavior, is guilty of death also.  Sexual perversion is associated with all false religions.  The vatican II sect, is a counterfeit catholic church, to deceive catholics and keep everyone else in their false religions.  This is why the claimants to the papacy of the vatican II sect, say not to proselytize anyone, in spite of Ephesians 4:5.
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Title: Re: Please help
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on February 15, 2018, 08:50:38 PM
I just posted this tidbit on my blog a short time ago ...

The other day I was watching on Youtube an old video from 1955, it was Archbishop Fulton Sheen titled: How to Think, (about statistics).
If you are familiar with his style, he has a unique way of blending serious facts with humor.  After his presentation, he mentioned that he would now give us a statistic that was 100% accurate, no doubt about it, we could take this particular statistic to the bank.  He said speaking of marriage, that 50% of the people married were women, and the other 50% were men.  

I get it, if all the marriages were rounded out at 100%. 50% would be men, and 50% are women.
This was uncontested morality in 1955 and many years afterwards until the 1990's when there was
a media campaign to force recognition of gay lifestyles on a public that did not want anything to do
with it.
Title: Re: Please help
Post by: jjr9 on February 17, 2018, 12:43:18 PM
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In case anyone did not know, homosexuality is a punishment from God, for faithlessness, sins of the flesh, and the worship of man.  This is why there is an obelisk [phallic symbol] down at the swamp [Washington D.C.].  The punishment is cited in Romans chapter 1.

Romans 1:18-28,32 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and injustice of those men that detain the truth of God in injustice: Because that which is known of God is manifest in them. For God hath manifested it unto them.  For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable. Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God, or given thanks; but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened.  For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.  And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man, and of birds, and of fourfooted beasts, and of creeping things. Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves.  Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.  For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature.  And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.  And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient; … Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.

Those who consent or condone this behavior, is guilty of death also.  Sexual perversion is associated with all false religions.  The vatican II sect, is a counterfeit catholic church, to deceive catholics and keep everyone else in their false religions.  This is why the claimants to the papacy of the vatican II sect, say not to proselytize anyone, in spite of Ephesians 4:5.
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I think what St Paul is saying is that we have Freewill and our Lord will
not keep us from sinning. While turning away from the Lord makes it easier
for the evil one to tempt us to sin I believe our Lord does not cause any
of His children to have a SSA exclusive or otherwise.

Are you saying their is no Pope? I disagree.

God bless
Title: Re: Please help
Post by: Luke3 on February 17, 2018, 05:03:02 PM
I think what St Paul is saying is that we have Freewill and our Lord will
not keep us from sinning. While turning away from the Lord makes it easier
for the evil one to tempt us to sin I believe our Lord does not cause any
of His children to have a SSA exclusive or otherwise.

Are you saying their is no Pope? I disagree.

God bless
"I think what St Paul is saying is that we have Freewill and our Lord will not keep us from sinning." 

Reply:  No, St. Paul, is clearly stating the punishments for faithlessness, sins of the flesh i.e. masturbation, the worship of man. 

"While turning away from the Lord makes it easier for the evil one to tempt us to sin I believe our Lord does not cause any of His children to have a SSA exclusive or otherwise."

Reply:  Just to clarify, when you turn away from God, the devil rushes right in, its a vacuum.  Everyone is not punished with same sex aversions, that is why other vices are stated.  But at the same time you just denied what Romans clearly has stated.  Wow.

Romans 1:29-31 Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy.

"Are you saying their is no Pope? I disagree."

Reply:  What are you referring to, regarding a Pope?
Title: Re: Please help
Post by: jjr9 on February 17, 2018, 06:48:41 PM
"I think what St Paul is saying is that we have Freewill and our Lord will not keep us from sinning."

Reply:  No, St. Paul, is clearly stating the punishments for faithlessness, sins of the flesh i.e. masturbation, the worship of man.

"While turning away from the Lord makes it easier for the evil one to tempt us to sin I believe our Lord does not cause any of His children to have a SSA exclusive or otherwise."

Reply:  Just to clarify, when you turn away from God, the devil rushes right in, its a vacuum.  Everyone is not punished with same sex aversions, that is why other vices are stated.  But at the same time you just denied what Romans clearly has stated.  Wow.

Romans 1:29-31 Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy.

"Are you saying their is no Pope? I disagree."

Reply:  What are you referring to, regarding a Pope?


Romans 1:28:
And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their
undiscerning mind to do what is improper
.

St Paul is not saying God is punishing anyone God is allowing them Freewill. I believe
we will be judged after we die and our Lord will reward us with Eternal Life or punish
us with eternal damnation in hell the choice is ours the decision is the Lord's. Our
Lord does not punish us with sin that is our decision.

You mentioned a "a counterfeit catholic church" what do you believe the authentic
Catholic Church to be?

God bless
Title: Re: Please help
Post by: Luke3 on February 17, 2018, 10:02:50 PM

Romans 1:28:
And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their
undiscerning mind to do what is improper
.

St Paul is not saying God is punishing anyone God is allowing them Freewill. I believe
we will be judged after we die and our Lord will reward us with Eternal Life or punish
us with eternal damnation in hell the choice is ours the decision is the Lord's. Our
Lord does not punish us with sin that is our decision.

You mentioned a "a counterfeit catholic church" what do you believe the authentic
Catholic Church to be?

God bless

A man is punished for exercising his freewill to revolt from God, just as Adam did.   Freewill pertains to the fact that God will not force Himself upon anyone.   A man chooses the world or God and receives the reward for either one.

Douay Rheims bible.
Romans 1:26, 28 For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. … And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient;

And so you say that God does not punish mankind?

Jeremias 44:29 And this shall be a sign to you, saith the Lord, that I will punish you in this place: that you may know that my words shall be accomplished indeed against you for evil.

"You mentioned a "a counterfeit catholic church" what do you believe the authentic

Catholic Church to be?"

The Catholic church is not a building, the Catholic church is a society of believers, the buildings are the place of worship.  And so, the authentic Catholic church is found in a faithful remnant, those who hold to every teaching of the true Catholic church.

Read this file.  Carefully and slow.

The Chair of St. Peter is Vacant! (http://thydailybreadforum.proboards.com/thread/7636/chair-st-peter-vacant)
Title: Re: Please help
Post by: jjr9 on February 19, 2018, 11:15:41 AM
A man is punished for exercising his freewill to revolt from God, just as Adam did.   Freewill pertains to the fact that God will not force Himself upon anyone.   A man chooses the world or God and receives the reward for either one.

Douay Rheims bible.
Romans 1:26, 28 For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. … And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient;

And so you say that God does not punish mankind?

Jeremias 44:29 And this shall be a sign to you, saith the Lord, that I will punish you in this place: that you may know that my words shall be accomplished indeed against you for evil.

"You mentioned a "a counterfeit catholic church" what do you believe the authentic

Catholic Church to be?"

The Catholic church is not a building, the Catholic church is a society of believers, the buildings are the place of worship.  And so, the authentic Catholic church is found in a faithful remnant, those who hold to every teaching of the true Catholic church.

Read this file.  Carefully and slow.

The Chair of St. Peter is Vacant! (http://thydailybreadforum.proboards.com/thread/7636/chair-st-peter-vacant)

I agree that God punished people in the the old testament I believe you are
wrong in what St Paul says we can disagree on that; I don't understand how
you come to your view. I will pray for you and ask you pray for me.

I believe Jesus began a new Covenant between God and man.

Matthew 16:17-18:
Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and
blood* (http://www.usccb.org/bible/matthew/16#48016017-1) has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. 18k (http://www.usccb.org/bible/matthew/16#48016018-k) And so I say
to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* (http://www.usccb.org/bible/matthew/16#48016018-1) and the gates
of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.

Jesus was aware that we are human including ST. Peter just a couple of verses
later Jesus rebukes ST. Peter.

Matthew 16:23:
He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are an obstacle to me.
You are thinking not as God does, but as human beings do.”

Do you believe the Catholic Church became counterfeit then?

God bless