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Offline Luke3

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Re: Please help
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2018, 05:03:02 PM »
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  • I think what St Paul is saying is that we have Freewill and our Lord will
    not keep us from sinning. While turning away from the Lord makes it easier
    for the evil one to tempt us to sin I believe our Lord does not cause any
    of His children to have a SSA exclusive or otherwise.

    Are you saying their is no Pope? I disagree.

    God bless
    "I think what St Paul is saying is that we have Freewill and our Lord will not keep us from sinning." 

    Reply:  No, St. Paul, is clearly stating the punishments for faithlessness, sins of the flesh i.e. masturbation, the worship of man. 

    "While turning away from the Lord makes it easier for the evil one to tempt us to sin I believe our Lord does not cause any of His children to have a SSA exclusive or otherwise."

    Reply:  Just to clarify, when you turn away from God, the devil rushes right in, its a vacuum.  Everyone is not punished with same sex aversions, that is why other vices are stated.  But at the same time you just denied what Romans clearly has stated.  Wow.

    Romans 1:29-31 Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy.

    "Are you saying their is no Pope? I disagree."

    Reply:  What are you referring to, regarding a Pope?

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    Re: Please help
    « Reply #16 on: February 17, 2018, 06:48:41 PM »
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  • "I think what St Paul is saying is that we have Freewill and our Lord will not keep us from sinning."

    Reply:  No, St. Paul, is clearly stating the punishments for faithlessness, sins of the flesh i.e. masturbation, the worship of man.

    "While turning away from the Lord makes it easier for the evil one to tempt us to sin I believe our Lord does not cause any of His children to have a SSA exclusive or otherwise."

    Reply:  Just to clarify, when you turn away from God, the devil rushes right in, its a vacuum.  Everyone is not punished with same sex aversions, that is why other vices are stated.  But at the same time you just denied what Romans clearly has stated.  Wow.

    Romans 1:29-31 Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy.

    "Are you saying their is no Pope? I disagree."

    Reply:  What are you referring to, regarding a Pope?


    Romans 1:28:
    And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their
    undiscerning mind to do what is improper
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    St Paul is not saying God is punishing anyone God is allowing them Freewill. I believe
    we will be judged after we die and our Lord will reward us with Eternal Life or punish
    us with eternal damnation in hell the choice is ours the decision is the Lord's. Our
    Lord does not punish us with sin that is our decision.

    You mentioned a "a counterfeit catholic church" what do you believe the authentic
    Catholic Church to be?

    God bless


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    Re: Please help
    « Reply #17 on: February 17, 2018, 10:02:50 PM »
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  • Romans 1:28:
    And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their
    undiscerning mind to do what is improper
    .

    St Paul is not saying God is punishing anyone God is allowing them Freewill. I believe
    we will be judged after we die and our Lord will reward us with Eternal Life or punish
    us with eternal damnation in hell the choice is ours the decision is the Lord's. Our
    Lord does not punish us with sin that is our decision.

    You mentioned a "a counterfeit catholic church" what do you believe the authentic
    Catholic Church to be?

    God bless

    A man is punished for exercising his freewill to revolt from God, just as Adam did.   Freewill pertains to the fact that God will not force Himself upon anyone.   A man chooses the world or God and receives the reward for either one.

    Douay Rheims bible.
    Romans 1:26, 28 For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. … And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient;

    And so you say that God does not punish mankind?

    Jeremias 44:29 And this shall be a sign to you, saith the Lord, that I will punish you in this place: that you may know that my words shall be accomplished indeed against you for evil.

    "You mentioned a "a counterfeit catholic church" what do you believe the authentic

    Catholic Church to be?"

    The Catholic church is not a building, the Catholic church is a society of believers, the buildings are the place of worship.  And so, the authentic Catholic church is found in a faithful remnant, those who hold to every teaching of the true Catholic church.

    Read this file.  Carefully and slow.

    The Chair of St. Peter is Vacant!

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    Re: Please help
    « Reply #18 on: February 19, 2018, 11:15:41 AM »
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  • A man is punished for exercising his freewill to revolt from God, just as Adam did.   Freewill pertains to the fact that God will not force Himself upon anyone.   A man chooses the world or God and receives the reward for either one.

    Douay Rheims bible.
    Romans 1:26, 28 For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. … And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient;

    And so you say that God does not punish mankind?

    Jeremias 44:29 And this shall be a sign to you, saith the Lord, that I will punish you in this place: that you may know that my words shall be accomplished indeed against you for evil.

    "You mentioned a "a counterfeit catholic church" what do you believe the authentic

    Catholic Church to be?"

    The Catholic church is not a building, the Catholic church is a society of believers, the buildings are the place of worship.  And so, the authentic Catholic church is found in a faithful remnant, those who hold to every teaching of the true Catholic church.

    Read this file.  Carefully and slow.

    The Chair of St. Peter is Vacant!

    I agree that God punished people in the the old testament I believe you are
    wrong in what St Paul says we can disagree on that; I don't understand how
    you come to your view. I will pray for you and ask you pray for me.

    I believe Jesus began a new Covenant between God and man.

    Matthew 16:17-18:
    Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and
    blood* has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. 18k And so I say
    to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates
    of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.

    Jesus was aware that we are human including ST. Peter just a couple of verses
    later Jesus rebukes ST. Peter.

    Matthew 16:23:
    He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are an obstacle to me.
    You are thinking not as God does, but as human beings do.”

    Do you believe the Catholic Church became counterfeit then?

    God bless


     

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