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Please help
« on: May 30, 2017, 03:03:19 PM »
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  • I don’t know if you are willing to help but I will ask.

    I am a cradle Catholic and want to be in good standing with the Church. In 2004 I made the observation
    that the Magisterium had come to believe in what I believe to be a mythical “homosexual person”.

    I do not judge anyone we all have the gift of freewill and will all be judged by the Lord for our lives.
    However the Magisterium does not have freewill but has an obligation to the Lord to be consistent with
    the Sacred Deposit of Faith.

    I don’t want to get too detailed if you are unwilling to help, I will give a synopsis.

    In this section of the Catechism 2357 I believe the Magisterium defines “homosexuality”:

    “Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive
    or predominate sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex.”

    I believe this defines two categories of "homosexual persons" those with an "exclusive sexual attraction toward
    persons of the same sex" and those with a "predominate sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex".

    I believe this is a new claim by the Magisterium circa 1997 with the new Catechism of the Catholic Church(2357).
    I cannot quantify what a predominate "homosexual person" is, the exclusive "homosexual person" is clear they
    are not capable of sexual attraction towards persons of the opposite sex. For the past thirteen years I have been
    seeking answers for this new claim from Catholic clergy, scholars and the Magisterium most do not respond, for
    those kind and reply it ultimately comes down to go away kid and don't bother me without providing a truly right
    and just reason for this new claim. I believe the "homosexual person"(as defined by the Magisterium) to be a false
    premise that is a stumbling block that has been laid on the path of confused individuals. I believe that accepting
    this false premise of the “homosexual person” keeps souls from the Father Almighty, and causes souls to fall to
    Satan. I understand that one can put a time constraint on an exclusivity the Magisterium does not in this case.
    To the contrary the Magisterium accepts a new type of person the “homosexual person” (CCC 2359). My
    understanding is that until this new claim the only type of persons that the Church has recognized are male and
    female created by the Lord for the gift of procreation. Do you know of a truly right and just reason for this new claim?

    I believe I have tried all methods available to me within the Church to have this issue addressed If nothing else I would
    be interested in an objective opinion. I believe this to be an error by the Magisterium that for reason I am unaware the
    Magisterium refuses to confront. This is a simple but I believe very serious error by the Magisterium whose ramification
    extends much beyond human sexuality.

    The most honest rationalization from the clergy I have had was a Priest who wrote:

    “It is an 'earthly fact' that there are homosexual people”

    I believe that this Priest is correct; unfortunately he also believes this to be true. The Magisterium at one time agree
    to the “earthly fact” that the sun circled the earth in time they corrected this error. I know that in the Lord’s time He
    will have this error corrected by the Magisterium. I believe the Magisterium encouraging confused individuals to
    believe they are something that doesn’t exist a much more harmful error.

    For over 3400 years since the earliest written recognition of the Lord by man; SSA and SS behavior have also
    been recognized. The mythical “homosexual person” was accepted by the Magisterium for no good reason in 1997
    less than 20 years ago.

    I believe the Magisterium has no authority to present what is false as true as they have here. I am just
    a faithful Catholic that doesn’t understand why my Bishop and the Magisterium shun me without addressing
    my concern.

    I believe the fundamental issue is that this mythical "homosexual person" has been accepted as real.
    SSA is real a temptation or sinful if obsessed on, SS behavior is real a sin and exclusive SSA a myth promoted
    by an LGBT orthodoxy that demands total acceptance with no tolerance of differing views. Do you know how
    to have the Magisterium address my concern?

    I hope you can help illuminate this error by the Magisterium so they will correct this error for the Lord.

    Maybe your Bishop would be willing to help pursue this for the Lord; while generous in his time my Bishop
    has refused to address or pursue this issue only pointing to Church teaching that does not address my concern.

    God bless and thanks

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    Re: Please help
    « Reply #1 on: May 30, 2017, 03:23:55 PM »
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  • Truth is the church you see is not catholic, that is, is not in line with Christ and the 10 commandments.  They know this. The church shook hand with Moscow a long time ago.  That New Order church serves Gov't and State.  They do the agenda of the Gov't and state/Federal.  The Church that Christ founded is now a remnant. That True Church can still be obtained, but not like it used to be.

    So, this counterfeit church accepts homosexuals and support them well in catholic charities, just like abortion is also $ supported in the charities.

    When New order does business, It is not the "Father's business.  The Church of Christ has been destroyed around the world.  Mexico was forced in 1917=29.  Many killed, in jail, or clergy left in the streets.  Europe, the same, forced.  Brazil in the 1980's, forced again.  USA must have it destroyed very slow, for the enemy knows how it can be destroyed.  

    Scriptures tells us in prophecies to expect this.  We are now in the most evil of times.  Satan has been permitted time and Christ will have His day.  So, best to leave where you are.  Find CMRI or independents Traditional.  www.traditio.com has a list by state.


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    Re: Please help
    « Reply #2 on: May 30, 2017, 04:33:48 PM »
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  • Welcome jjr9! 

    First, you must realise that the CCC is the outcome of the Second Vatican Council - you know, that council that boasted that it would throw open the windows of the Church to allow in all the pollutants floating around in the outside world. So what do you know about the Second Vatican Council? You obviously take the CCC very seriously, and herein is your mistake. 

    In brief, the new order arising out of Vatican II is just that - a new church. There are many vested interests in keeping the status quo and no newchurch bishop that we know of right now is going to rock the boat. This is part of the great apostasy (the revolt) mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2. 

    Thirteen years is a good long time to search for answers from the new church. 

    Homosexuality is just one issue that has been confused by this CCC. Just keep it as a reference book but do not use it as a guide or believe that it is a truly Catholic document, because it is not.

    Gpd bless your persistence and sincere search.

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    Re: Please help
    « Reply #3 on: May 31, 2017, 04:40:45 AM »
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  • I don't worry about categories. I just say that homosexual acts are a mortal sin and they need to be confessed.   

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    Re: Please help
    « Reply #4 on: May 31, 2017, 01:08:42 PM »
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  • Thank you for the responses I believe that the Lord gave the Magisterium
    a great deal of latitude in how to run His Church as far as I know we were
    left with the Holy Spirit to help guide the Magisterium and the Lord said His
    Church will stand till the end of time and the Lord will return in Glory.

    I am just trying to serve the Lord and bring this error to the attention of the
    Magisterium. If someone can help with this I would be grateful. As far as I
    know this claim of exclusive SSA is the only thing the Magisterium is presenting
    as true that is false. I have Faith that the Lord will have the Magisterium
    correct this error in His time.

    God bless


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    Re: Please help
    « Reply #5 on: May 31, 2017, 08:05:39 PM »
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  • It is all in prophecies, what will happen.  We are in evil times, time given to Satan, when his time is up, the church will have gone to the crucifix and will resurrect.A time of peace will follow.  Apocalypse.

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    Re: Please help
    « Reply #6 on: June 01, 2017, 01:40:57 AM »
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  • Thank you for the responses I believe that the Lord gave the Magisterium
    a great deal of latitude in how to run His Church as far as I know we were
    left with the Holy Spirit to help guide the Magisterium and the Lord said His
    Church will stand till the end of time and the Lord will return in Glory.

    I am just trying to serve the Lord and bring this error to the attention of the
    Magisterium. If someone can help with this I would be grateful. As far as I
    know this claim of exclusive SSA is the only thing the Magisterium is presenting
    as true that is false. I have Faith that the Lord will have the Magisterium
    correct this error in His time.

    God bless
    Here is a prophecy given in an approved apparition:

    “Rome will lose the Faith and become the Seat of the Antichrist.”—- Our Lady of LaSalette.


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    Re: Please help
    « Reply #7 on: June 01, 2017, 05:46:55 AM »
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  • Here is a prophecy given in an approved apparition:

    “Rome will lose the Faith and become the Seat of the Antichrist.”—- Our Lady of LaSalette.
    Jesus said,  "and the gates of the hell shall not prevail" 


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    Re: Please help
    « Reply #8 on: June 01, 2017, 06:25:46 PM »
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  • Quote from: Nadir on Today at 01:40:57 AM
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    Here is a prophecy given in an approved apparition:

    “Rome will lose the Faith and become the Seat of the Antichrist.”—- Our Lady of LaSalette.
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    Response from Poche: Jesus said,  "and the gates of the hell shall not prevail" 


    Of course, Our Blessed Lady never contradicts her Son. And these two quotes do not contradict each other

    Here is another which gives us the assurance that the evil one will continue to do his business, but the Church will prevail and the faithfulness of Her members will be rewarded. 

    2 Thessalonians 2:

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    [1] And we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and of our gathering together unto him: [2] That you be not easily moved from your sense, nor be terrified, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by epistle, as sent from us, as if the day of the Lord were at hand. [3] Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, [4] Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God. [5] Remember you not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
    [6] And now you know what withholdeth, that he may be revealed in his time. [7] For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way. [8] And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, him, [9] Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders, [10] And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying:
    [11] That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity. [12] But we ought to give thanks to God always for you, brethren, beloved of God, for that God hath chosen you firstfruits unto salvation, in sanctification of the spirit, and faith of the truth: [13] Whereunto also he hath called you by our gospel, unto the purchasing of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. [14] Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. [15] Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God and our Father, who hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation, and good hope in grace, [16] Exhort your hearts, and confirm you in every good work and word.



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    Re: Please help
    « Reply #9 on: February 03, 2018, 02:37:18 PM »
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  • What I have seen in press reports is very disturbing:
    ( Ref: https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/car...osexual-un )
    __________________________________________________________________________________
    According to Cardinal Reinhard Marx, homosexual relationships have "worth," a worth
    that must be recognized by the Catholic Church.

    "We have to respect the decisions of people," Marx told the media last week in Dublin after
    delivering a speech at Trinity College, according to a recent report in the Irish Times.

    "We have to respect the decisions of people. We have to respect also, as I said in the first
    synod on the family, some were shocked but I think it's normal, you cannot say that a
    relationship between a man and a man and they are faithful [that] that is nothing, that has
    no worth," he said.

    Consequently, according to Marx, the Church owes homosexuals an apology for its historical
    treatment of homosexuals. "As Church and society, we have to say 'Sorry, Sorry,'" Marx said.
    He added that the Church should support "regulating" homosexual partnerships. "We as church
    cannot be against it."
    __________________________________________________________________________________

    I believe Cardinal Marx's remarks the predictable fruit of this error by the Magisterium; accepting the
    mythical "homosexual person" as real. While the official position of the Magisterium is not as far down
    the path of accepting the mythical "homosexual person" as real, make no mistake the Magisterium is
    on the same path as Cardinal Marx. As far as I know the Magisterium has not condemned these statements
    by Cardinal Marx's.

    I believe no one can show this idea of exclusive SSA in any Church teaching prior to 1997 because it
    does not exist. With the same rational Cardinal Marx's view could be inserted into "Church teaching"
    if you believe exclusive SSA is in Church teaching prior to 1997 can you please show this to me?

    I hope you can forgive my frustration coming through but the wall of apathy that I have been
    hitting my head against, in the Clergy, while serving the Lord is taxing; the Lord has not failed in
    refreshing my soul. In my conversations with Priests about 1 in 5 believe SS behavior should become
    acceptable in the eyes of the Lord's Church, for the rest it can be best summed up by a young Priest
    I have talked to recently who believes the claim by the Magisterium doesn't matter; so long as the
    Lord's Church continues to hold the line that SS behavior is sinful. I believe this false claim by the
    Magisterium, that some of God's Children have an exclusive SSA, only bolsters the view by the number
    of Priests I have found, that believe SS behavior should become acceptable in the eyes of the Lord's
    Church. I believe if the Magisterium were to continue to spread this lie of Satan Cardinal Marx's view
    would become dominate and the Lord's Church in future generations would declare SS behavior AOK in
    "marriage" as other "churches" already unmoored from the Sacred Deposit of Faith do. I know the Lord
    will not allow this to continue. I believe this error by the Magisterium an unmooring from and not in
    harmony with the Sacred Deposit of Faith, in this matter, and a terrible precedent. What in the Sacred
    Deposit of Faith is safe? What is next?

    I believe from Adam to Jesus, the perfect Adam, our faith has warned about an external evil one whether
    the snake in the garden or Christ allowing the evil one to tempt Himself in the desert. I believed Christ
    warned more about falling for the lies of Satan than anything else:

    "deliver us from the evil one." Matthew 6:13

    I believe the evil one is behind the LGBTQ+ orthodoxy spreading Satan's lie that some of God's children
    have an exclusive SSA. I note that this name and mob is getting larger and louder as time goes by. This
    whole LGBTQ+ movement is really a rejection of our Lord as their Creator substituting themselves for our
    Lord. I understand that the Magisterium does not yet condone degenerate behavior and self-mutilation;
    unfortunately, this is not far down the path chosen. I do not know what is going on here; but this generation
    in the Magisterium is not in harmony with tradition in regard to this matter. Why the Magisterium is adopting
    this lie of Satan's as its own is beyond my understanding. I believe it will be a shame if the Magisterium
    degenerates into a Sanhedrin, looking to earthly wisdom rather than the Holy Spirit; the Person of the
    Trinity who stays here to help keep us connected to the Sacred Deposit of Faith, precipitating the glorious
    return of our Lord to fix this error Himself and right His Church Himself.

    My faith tells me none of God's children has an exclusive SSA I hope yours does too.

    If someone knows how to have the Magisterium address this error I would be grateful.

    God bless

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    Re: Please help
    « Reply #10 on: February 03, 2018, 02:54:18 PM »
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  • I just posted this tidbit on my blog a short time ago ... 

    The other day I was watching on Youtube an old video from 1955, it was Archbishop Fulton Sheen titled: How to Think, (about statistics).
    If you are familiar with his style, he has a unique way of blending serious facts with humor.  After his presentation, he mentioned that he would now give us a statistic that was 100% accurate, no doubt about it, we could take this particular statistic to the bank.  He said speaking of marriage, that 50% of the people married were women, and the other 50% were men.  


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    Re: Please help
    « Reply #11 on: February 13, 2018, 04:06:53 PM »
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  • Truth is the church you see is not catholic, that is, is not in line with Christ and the 10 commandments.  They know this. The church shook hand with Moscow a long time ago.  That New Order church serves Gov't and State.  They do the agenda of the Gov't and state/Federal.  The Church that Christ founded is now a remnant. That True Church can still be obtained, but not like it used to be.

    So, this counterfeit church accepts homosexuals and support them well in catholic charities, just like abortion is also $ supported in the charities.

    When New order does business, It is not the "Father's business.  The Church of Christ has been destroyed around the world.  Mexico was forced in 1917=29.  Many killed, in jail, or clergy left in the streets.  Europe, the same, forced.  Brazil in the 1980's, forced again.  USA must have it destroyed very slow, for the enemy knows how it can be destroyed.  

    Scriptures tells us in prophecies to expect this.  We are now in the most evil of times.  Satan has been permitted time and Christ will have His day.  So, best to leave where you are.  Find CMRI or independents Traditional.  www.traditio.com has a list by state.
    biggest tragedy in world history

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    Re: Please help
    « Reply #12 on: February 15, 2018, 08:26:52 PM »
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  • Thank you for the responses I believe that the Lord gave the Magisterium
    a great deal of latitude in how to run His Church as far as I know we were
    left with the Holy Spirit to help guide the Magisterium and the Lord said His
    Church will stand till the end of time and the Lord will return in Glory.

    I am just trying to serve the Lord and bring this error to the attention of the
    Magisterium. If someone can help with this I would be grateful. As far as I
    know this claim of exclusive SSA is the only thing the Magisterium is presenting
    as true that is false. I have Faith that the Lord will have the Magisterium
    correct this error in His time.

    God bless
    .
    In case anyone did not know, homosexuality is a punishment from God, for faithlessness, sins of the flesh, and the worship of man.  This is why there is an obelisk [phallic symbol] down at the swamp [Washington D.C.].  The punishment is cited in Romans chapter 1.

    Romans 1:18-28,32 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and injustice of those men that detain the truth of God in injustice: Because that which is known of God is manifest in them. For God hath manifested it unto them.  For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable. Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God, or given thanks; but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened.  For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.  And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man, and of birds, and of fourfooted beasts, and of creeping things. Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves.  Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.  For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature.  And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.  And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient; … Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.

    Those who consent or condone this behavior, is guilty of death also.  Sexual perversion is associated with all false religions.  The vatican II sect, is a counterfeit catholic church, to deceive catholics and keep everyone else in their false religions.  This is why the claimants to the papacy of the vatican II sect, say not to proselytize anyone, in spite of Ephesians 4:5.
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    Re: Please help
    « Reply #13 on: February 15, 2018, 08:50:38 PM »
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  • I just posted this tidbit on my blog a short time ago ...

    The other day I was watching on Youtube an old video from 1955, it was Archbishop Fulton Sheen titled: How to Think, (about statistics).
    If you are familiar with his style, he has a unique way of blending serious facts with humor.  After his presentation, he mentioned that he would now give us a statistic that was 100% accurate, no doubt about it, we could take this particular statistic to the bank.  He said speaking of marriage, that 50% of the people married were women, and the other 50% were men.  

    I get it, if all the marriages were rounded out at 100%. 50% would be men, and 50% are women.
    This was uncontested morality in 1955 and many years afterwards until the 1990's when there was
    a media campaign to force recognition of gay lifestyles on a public that did not want anything to do
    with it.

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    Re: Please help
    « Reply #14 on: February 17, 2018, 12:43:18 PM »
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  • .
    In case anyone did not know, homosexuality is a punishment from God, for faithlessness, sins of the flesh, and the worship of man.  This is why there is an obelisk [phallic symbol] down at the swamp [Washington D.C.].  The punishment is cited in Romans chapter 1.

    Romans 1:18-28,32 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and injustice of those men that detain the truth of God in injustice: Because that which is known of God is manifest in them. For God hath manifested it unto them.  For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable. Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God, or given thanks; but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened.  For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.  And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man, and of birds, and of fourfooted beasts, and of creeping things. Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves.  Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.  For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature.  And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.  And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient; … Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.

    Those who consent or condone this behavior, is guilty of death also.  Sexual perversion is associated with all false religions.  The vatican II sect, is a counterfeit catholic church, to deceive catholics and keep everyone else in their false religions.  This is why the claimants to the papacy of the vatican II sect, say not to proselytize anyone, in spite of Ephesians 4:5.
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    I think what St Paul is saying is that we have Freewill and our Lord will
    not keep us from sinning. While turning away from the Lord makes it easier
    for the evil one to tempt us to sin I believe our Lord does not cause any
    of His children to have a SSA exclusive or otherwise.

    Are you saying their is no Pope? I disagree.

    God bless

     

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