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Offline McFiggly

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« on: April 27, 2014, 05:00:26 AM »
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  • I feel as though my prayers have been vain. I pray "forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us" every day, but the first thing I do when I see somebody is to quickly judge them and withdraw any charity or good feeling from them.

    I was walking this morning on a field where a group of young men were preparing for a game of football (soccer). I noticed that their consciences were cleaner than my own conscience. They were not Christians (most likely), but at least they had a spirit of friendship towards one and other. Perhaps outside of their circle of friends they are judgemental and proud, but at least among one and other they were fairly humble, whereas I don't think there is anybody that I don't immediately compare myself with and judge unfavourably. At least among themselves they were brothers, whereas I habitually raise myself above everybody on the earth, making myself a friend to no one. I can remember the very few isolated instances that I was somewhat charitable to another recently, and I was very quick to glory in those acts as soon as I had done them. I didn't go around telling people what I had done, but I still praised myself inwardly.

    I have the seared conscience of the worst reprobate, and I don't fornicate, or steal, or covet, or spread rumours about or detract from others, or do drugs, or get into fights; moreover I pray, fast, do spiritual reading (when I am not distracted on the internet that is). I'm going to an SSPX chapel today that's about an hour's drive. I'm a neophyte and I've been putting off attending a Church while trying to decide just where I stand on the crisis (I think I lean towards sedevacantism, but I'm starting to appreciate that I need the sacraments more than anything). I grew up in a totally liberal, irreligious household, and I think one of the things that has drawn me to Catholicism is my finding out just how much evil there is in the world and just how deep the evil goes; however, this has lead me to see evil in everything and everyone. I don't think that I'm quite as corrupted by spiritual pride as the Dimond brothers are, but I think that I may resemble them more than I'd like to admit. I think that the Dimond brothers are a parable for spiritual pride among the traditionalists.

    I read recently of a pagan emperor who had to speak with a certain saint behind a screen, because he was afraid that if he had seen the saint's famous humility he would be tempted to convert to Christianity. I also read that when the Pope and, I think, a few Cardinals visited St. Bernard and his fellow monks, they cried tears of devotion upon seeing how humble they were.

    As Catholics (that have the faith) have become so small in number, the temptation to spiritual pride, which has always been so a great temptation, has become much greater. Anyhow, I don't want to preach on this subject any further; what I would ask is for you to pray for me, for humility and charity.

    God bless,
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    « Reply #1 on: April 27, 2014, 05:03:54 AM »
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  • If anybody has any recommendations for sermons or texts that teach humility, I'd be glad to receive them.


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    « Reply #2 on: April 28, 2014, 11:15:03 PM »
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  • There is a secret pact that people make in their hearts that puts them in league with the Devil. This pact is so secret that those that make it are, more often than not, unaware that it has been made. The pact is an agreement with the Devil that somewhere God made a mistake, that He isn't perfect, that the world He made and that He loved so much that He gave His only-begotten for it is a scandal, is a house of abominations that ought not to exist.

    Quote from: St. Paul
    All things are pure to the pure; but to the defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but both their mind and their conscience are defiled.


    Just as the Saints are able to see God in everything and everyone, the people that have made this pact are able to see the Devil everywhere, yes, because, though they know it not, they have made the Devil their god. Just as Satan - who is Lucifer, the Son of the Morning - means accuser, these proud souls who imitate Lucifer raise themselves up every morning to the loftiest peak on the earth so that they can look down upon it with contempt and condemn it, and, by extension, they accuse the God who created it of having a filthy and defiled mind, when it is they who are defiled and it is only their own filthiness that they see around them. They have a hidden fury against God; they believe only themselves to be pure and they inwardly despise God for not having made the rest of the world as pure as they are.

    Lord, have mercy on these souls.

    This is the test: that we are able to see all of the abominations around us and still rejoice to God for having created and loved the world; to believe that, despite anything, all is justified in the end, and that God's work is perfect. This is what it means to have faith, trust in God.

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    « Reply #3 on: April 28, 2014, 11:30:30 PM »
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  • You should pray the 15 decade Rosary everyday.

    You also need to convert from your schismatic rejection of the Dimond Brothers.  They are actually right about what they say, and they are not proud at all.

    You also need to reject these things, if you hold them:

    baptism of desire
    baptism of blood
    invincible ignorance
    Vatican II antipopes (embrace sedevacantism from John XXIII on to our day)

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    « Reply #4 on: April 29, 2014, 08:23:54 AM »
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  • Keep reading the saints' lives and never give in to discouragement.  Pray the rosary every day, meditating on the mysteries, and looking for lessons in them.  

    What you describe is very common in neophytes.  God shows us the condition of our soul to the degree that He knows we will not get discouraged.  We must always trust Him.  Be grateful when you see your faults, and immediately ask for help.  Don't expect the sacraments and sacramentals to change you permanently, or instantly.  They do change you, of course, but the change isn't always sensible, or the kind that we were expecting.  See your faults as proof of the truth of the Faith.  Never be vexed by them.  That's a kind of pride - expecting perfection from ourselves.  It's very important never to get discouraged.

    One great book is 'True Devotion to Mary' by St. Louis Marie de Montfort.  Another is 'Introduction to the Devout Life' by St. Francis de Sales.  
    What return shall I make to the Lord for all the things that He hath given unto me?


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    « Reply #5 on: April 29, 2014, 09:33:23 AM »
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  • I'm sorry I forgot to say I'm not sure I understand your situation correctly.  You wrote:
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    I'm a neophyte and I've been putting off attending a Church while trying to decide just where I stand on the crisis

    Are you newly confirmed?  A neophyte is someone who has recently been received into the Church.  
    What return shall I make to the Lord for all the things that He hath given unto me?

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    « Reply #6 on: April 29, 2014, 10:51:40 AM »
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  • Quote from: McFiggly
    If anybody has any recommendations for sermons or texts that teach humility, I'd be glad to receive them.


    Francis De Sales: Introduction to a Devout Life

    On Greater Humility

    http://www.catholictreasury.info/books/devout_life/dev48.php

    Strict adherence to dogma without charity and mercy only causes harshness and pride.

    Hatred for sin without a sincere love for souls only causes uncharity and bitterness . St Paul reminds us of the extreme importance of charity in all of our doings.  
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #7 on: April 29, 2014, 11:01:36 AM »
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  • Quote from: MariaCatherine
    I'm sorry I forgot to say I'm not sure I understand your situation correctly.  You wrote:
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    I'm a neophyte and I've been putting off attending a Church while trying to decide just where I stand on the crisis

    Are you newly confirmed?  A neophyte is someone who has recently been received into the Church.  


    Sorry, I ought to have said that I'm a catechumen.

    Cantarella, thanks for the suggestion. It's on my Kindle now.


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    « Reply #8 on: April 29, 2014, 11:21:54 AM »
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    I'm sorry I forgot to say I'm not sure I understand your situation correctly.  You wrote:
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    I'm a neophyte and I've been putting off attending a Church while trying to decide just where I stand on the crisis

    Are you newly confirmed?  A neophyte is who has recently been received into the Church.  


    Sorry, I ought to have said that I'm a catechumen.

    Cantarella, thanks for the suggestion. It's on my Kindle now.


    Satan is particularly offensive when one is about to show great advancement in the supernatural life. Spiritual pride is yet another temptation to conquer.  Best remedy is humility and unconditional consecration of one's soul to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and Our Lady. It is only when we accept that without God we are dust and can do nothing that we can start really advancing towards Salvation. But we must annihilate our ego first. Rejoice that God is showing great mercy to draw a lost soul to Himself against all odds.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #9 on: April 29, 2014, 12:06:09 PM »
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    You should pray the 15 decade Rosary everyday.


    Yes. I've done this a few times, and on others I only managed 5 decades due to lukewarmness. I've felt humbled and closer to God every time I've prayed the Rosary though, so I'll resolve to pray the 15 decades every day (starting today).

    God bless.

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    Keep reading the saints' lives and never give in to discouragement. Pray the rosary every day, meditating on the mysteries, and looking for lessons in them.

    What you describe is very common in neophytes. God shows us the condition of our soul to the degree that He knows we will not get discouraged. We must always trust Him. Be grateful when you see your faults, and immediately ask for help. Don't expect the sacraments and sacramentals to change you permanently, or instantly. They do change you, of course, but the change isn't always sensible, or the kind that we were expecting. See your faults as proof of the truth of the Faith. Never be vexed by them. That's a kind of pride - expecting perfection from ourselves. It's very important never to get discouraged.


    Thank you for your kind advice, MariaCatherine, God bless you. I've noticed change already, but what's impeded my progress is my pride. I've been failing to attribute the graces that I've received to God by falsely attributing them to myself. You're right about expecting perfection; I think it is due to impatience as well as pride. I have stupidly expected myself to be made a Saint overnight, and have been really impatient with God by asking him for graces that I am not humble enough to receive, and that would surely be my downfall if I received them in my current pride. I think part of the problem is that I've spent too much time online trying to figure things out in regards to the Crisis in the Church, after deciding that I wanted to be made a Catholic. This search for answers has slowed me down a bit, and in the process of hearing about how the Church has been infiltrated by modernists, communists, freemasons, sodomites, etc., I've allowed the Devil to puff me up with pride, imagining myself as some kind of Elias figure, destined to restore the Church. I haven't even received my first Holy Communion and I already suffer from pharisaical delusions of religious pride. I couldn't give a basic sermon without stammering and yet I entertain pictures of myself as a booming, fire-and-brimstone preacher in the order of Elias. Vanity of vanities. I've also noticed that I have developed a sweet-tooth for spiritual sweetness. I've read a passage from St. John of the Cross where he describes this malady as "spiritual gluttony". To summarize, I need to spend more time in a Church absorbing a sense of my own littleness, and less time on the mind-warping pseudo-reality of the internet where you are your own God with a world at your fingertips.

    I've been tempted to go to the Novus Ordo Church that is nearby, as the nearest traditional chapel, an SSPX chapel, is 1.5 hrs away. On the other hand, why should I handle something as important as religion so carelessly? Surely I owe it to God to seek out correct instruction in his Faith and the form of worship pleasing to Him. I've been to that Novus Ordo church (a beautiful old cathedral) once, and on the way out I overheard the priest saying to an anglican woman who had stopped by for the service that there was no real difference between the Catholic & Anglican churches, which is not encouraging for somebody who is looking for the ancient, dogmatic Catholic religion (and what is frustrating about the situation is the people who talk about how they needed to modernize the Church in order to attract young people to it; obviously these unfortunate idiots are unaware that the main attraction of the Catholic Church for an outsider is that it's the only institution that dogmatically claims to have the Truth amidst a society filled with liberal, sceptical, "there is no truth, only different points of view" institutions. I went to said SSPX chapel the other day; unfortunately the Priest that was offering Mass that day was not one of the usual priests that goes to that chapel, and so I was unable to talk to him about arranging catechism and being confirmed in the Church. I'm thinking of ringing the SSPX (which I have done once before, where the Priest advised me to come down to the nearest chapel and see what it was like) and asking them to arrange catechism for me, so that I can be joined to the Church and start receiving the blessed sacraments already (which I'm sure will be a great step forward in progress; especially considering I have 21 years of an irreligious, atheist life's worth of sin to repent for, as, unfortunately, I think that the baptism I received as an infant in the Church of England was valid, so I don't think that I can have my sins washed in that less humiliating fashion :laugh1:). Yeah, I think this mortal sin lingering in my soul might just be an impediment to receiving graces from and friendship with God, maybe; perhaps you veteran Catholics can tell me whether or not I'm correct.

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    One great book is 'True Devotion to Mary' by St. Louis Marie de Montfort. Another is 'Introduction to the Devout Life' by St. Francis de Sales.


    I've bought a Kindle version of St. Louis' True Devotion, but I'm thinking of setting it aside for the time being for the reason that it involves a serious religious devotion that I don't think I would be able to honour properly as yet.

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    « Reply #10 on: April 29, 2014, 12:24:55 PM »
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  • You don't have to answer these questions but thinking about them may help.

    Are you actually judging people or are you just noticing their sinful behavior?

    There's a difference between the two. The world likes to blur this line and make people believe it's one and the same, noticing the sin and judging the person. This is because the world doesn't want anyone even to notice sin. They want to whole concept of sin to disappear. So they try to make people believe that they can't even notice sin or they're Pharisees. But this is not true. As Catholics we have formed consciences and we can't help but realize when actions are sinful (or potentially sinful). It's engrained in us. That's good!!

    What you do after noticing is what makes or breaks you. Do you truly think you are better than them? Or do you experience some sadness, perhaps anger (where just anger is due), and say a prayer for them? Do you realize in the depth of your soul that were it not for God's grace, you would be the same or worse? In fact you could actually be the same or worse, just in a different way!

    When considering your own objectively superior lifestyle, do you realize that God has given you those graces so you could pray for them? Compare your spiritual wealth to material wealth. It's never given to us for us to hoard all to ourselves. It is meant to be given away and shared with those less fortunate. People who hoard their material wealth while others suffer will pay greatly for abusing the responsibilities God gave them. Same with spiritual wealth. It is not meant for you. You have a responsibility to pray and sacrifice in union with Our Lord to gain graces for others; to empty yourself for them. That in itself should take your attention off yourself and put it on your fellow man which will help you exercise humility.

    Focusing on how proud we are can sometimes be a little trick of the devil because it seems humble but... who are we focused on? Ourselves. So while it's good to know and realize just how proud and sinful we are, it's not good to dwell on it too much. Offer it to God. And if it bothers you that you are proud and sinful, offer that too! If it bothers you that it bothers you, offer that too!! Pride turns round and round and round, chasing its own tail, until you can't tell the beginning from the end. It will make you dizzy and disoriented if you pay too much attention to it. It is a very unique sin, one that we literally cannot root out alone because once you cut off one head, 7 more spring up and they're all chasing their tails! I don't know why but we are literally powerless against this one and the ironic thing is that it takes humility to realize that and to stop fussing about it.

    Just ask God to root it out and then trust that He will; but also know that it will take time and patience.

    Also note, Pharisees hold different standards for themselves as for others. If you hold yourself to the same standard as you wish others would hold, you are not a Pharisee. You might be proud or have other weaknesses, but you're not a hypocrite. You seem like you might lack patience with yourself and your own failings which makes sense that you might lack patience with others as well. Same standard. Not the correct one, but not hypocritical either. That's also a line many people blur but if you realize the difference it helps keep your own mind straight.

       



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  • I just read your new post and am hoping someone can address your "delusions of grandeur". I don't think this is entirely unnatural or even sinful, especially for a man and a new convert. Perhaps you can mold it into the virtue of magnanimity.




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    « Reply #12 on: April 29, 2014, 12:39:53 PM »
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    Satan is particularly offensive when one is about to show great advancement in the supernatural life. Spiritual pride is yet another temptation to conquer.  Best remedy is humility and unconditional consecration of one's soul to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and Our Lady. It is only when we accept that without God we are dust and can do nothing that we can start really advancing towards Salvation. But we must annihilate our ego first. Rejoice that God is showing great mercy to draw a lost soul to Himself against all odds.


    Yes, this is another thing I'd like to mention. I've been in reflection for the last several years, and I've noticed that every clever idea or opinion I dream up one day I will look back on the vanity of it in embarrassment the next; conversely, every time I've felt that I've drawn close to some lasting wisdom it has been accompanied by a feeling of being humbled before God. As it says in Proverbs, the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. If you don't fear God, you haven't even begun to be wise. I was distracted for a time by the vain but superficially erudite opinions of modern philosophy. It took me some time to realize that at the bottom of this "deep" modern philosophy was nothing but despair; it took me longer to realize that modern philosophy is the intellectual poison that freemasons and communists of all stripes have devised to degrade the moral body of society; and it took me even longer to perceive Satan's hand in all of this. I was melancholy, depressed throughout this search, and I eventually arrived at the logical ultimatum: it's all about God. If there is no God, there can neither be truth, morality, or authority, and life is reduced to a meaningless struggle for existence (precisely what the communists want you to believe); if there is a God then there is also ultimate truth, morality and authority, and hope and love and beauty are not meaningless at all, because they are eternal. Chapter 2 of the Book of Wisdom explains this dilemma versus the "you only live once, make the most of it" and the "God is eternal, the just are rewarded by heaven" crowds. For a moment I despaired of finding God. I said to my own heart that God does not exist, and when I had said that I knew immediately that after years of falling through an abyss I had finally reached rockbottom. "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God". I don't think most people realize what it means to say that there is no God. If you give up on God you give up on all hope, justice, truth, morality, love, etc., because God is the foundation for all these things, and without God "life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing", "nothing is either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.", and so on, into the abyss of hell. From rockbottom you can only work your way up, and my choice was either to give up on life or to admit that there was a God. That may sound melodramatic but I knew then that the alternative to God is nihilism. The sentimentality and romanticism of the typical modern person is a pretty veil that covers up a bottomless pit in the soul, of horror and despair, where the Spirit of God belongs. At the bottom of every person's soul who lives a life committed to material gains and the impossible hope of the perfect romance is despair. Forgive my verbosity.

    You're absolutely right, Cantarella, unless once reduces oneself to dust before God progress in the spiritual life is impossible. That's what I think I'm beginning to understand. If you don't humble yourself this much then there always remains this double mindedness where you believe that you can get by without God most of the time, and only need Him on occasion. This is stupidity and spiritual ѕυιcιdє. As St. Augustine said, "Christ is not valued at all, unless he is valued above all." Amen.

    God bless.

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    « Reply #13 on: April 29, 2014, 12:57:14 PM »
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    Are you actually judging people or are you just noticing their sinful behavior?


    Definitely judging, because it is accompanied by feelings of resentment: not for the sin, but for the person. Even when people have not being doing anything at all sinful I would see them at a glance and condemn them for the sins that I imagine them to commit.

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    There's a difference between the two. The world likes to blur this line and make people believe it's one and the same, noticing the sin and judging the person. This is because the world doesn't want anyone even to notice sin. They want to whole concept of sin to disappear. So they try to make people believe that they can't even notice sin or they're Pharisees. But this is not true. As Catholics we have formed consciences and we can't help but realize when actions are sinful (or potentially sinful). It's engrained in us. That's good!!


    I agree. There's nothing wrong with simply seeing sin (as long as you are doing your best not to look for it in others), if you maintain charity and a hope for their conversion. I have some of the principles in my mind, you see; I'm just slothful about practicing them, and this leads me into hypocrisy. You know, I think it's possible for a person to be made worse by religion. Not by religion itself, because religion itself is good (I'm speaking of true religion, Catholicism), it's that a proud man can turn religion into something truly wicked - that is the accomplishment of the Pharisee, whom we know Our Lord abhorred above all men. But yes, a proud man without religion is probably less harmful than a proud man who has a pharisee distortion of religion. I have hope that I will be humbled and corrected though. Like I have said, I think part of this disease is due to my not yet spending enough time in church.

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    What you do after noticing is what makes or breaks you. Do you truly think you are better than them? Or do you experience some sadness, perhaps anger (where just anger is due), and say a prayer for them? Do you realize in the depth of your soul that were it not for God's grace, you would be the same or worse? In fact you could actually be the same or worse, just in a different way!


    I think probably worse. Your assessment about the proper reaction to seeing sin in others I feel is correct.

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    When considering your own objectively superior lifestyle, do you realize that God has given you those graces so you could pray for them? Compare your spiritual wealth to material wealth. It's never given to us for us to hoard all to ourselves. It is meant to be given away and shared with those less fortunate. People who hoard their material wealth while others suffer will pay greatly for abusing the responsibilities God gave them. Same with spiritual wealth. It is not meant for you. You have a responsibility to pray and sacrifice in union with Our Lord to gain graces for others; to empty yourself for them. That in itself should take your attention off yourself and put it on your fellow man which will help you exercise humility.

    Focusing on how proud we are can sometimes be a little trick of the devil because it seems humble but... who are we focused on? Ourselves. So while it's good to know and realize just how proud and sinful we are, it's not good to dwell on it too much. Offer it to God. And if it bothers you that you are proud and sinful, offer that too! If it bothers you that it bothers you, offer that too!! Pride turns round and round and round, chasing its own tail, until you can't tell the beginning from the end. It will make you dizzy and disoriented if you pay too much attention to it. It is a very unique sin, one that we literally cannot root out alone because once you cut off one head, 7 more spring up and they're all chasing their tails! I don't know why but we are literally powerless against this one and the ironic thing is that it takes humility to realize that and to stop fussing about it.

    Just ask God to root it out and then trust that He will; but also know that it will take time and patience.


    These are valuable lessons. I've been listening to a sermon that teaches the same. Here it is: http://www.audiosancto.org/sermon/20090809-Conquer-Your-Inner-Pharisee-With-Humility-and-Meekness.html
    A great sermon.

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    lso note, Pharisees hold different standards for themselves as for others. If you hold yourself to the same standard as you wish others would hold, you are not a Pharisee. You might be proud or have other weaknesses, but you're not a hypocrite. You seem like you might lack patience with yourself and your own failings which makes sense that you might lack patience with others as well. Same standard. Not the correct one, but not hypocritical either. That's also a line many people blur but if you realize the difference it helps keep your own mind straight.


    Yes, it's important to be precise with terms. I blundered earlier with the term neophyte, for example.

    God bless.

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    « Reply #14 on: April 29, 2014, 01:26:49 PM »
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  • Instead of judging them, pray to their guardian angel to open their eyes to truth and virtue.  Remember God doesn't really need us to be happy.  I would say that I have had some of the same judgmental feelings to pagans and worldlings, only to find out that they had more natural virtue than me.