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PFAL Upset About Overturning Roe??
« on: June 25, 2022, 07:31:19 AM »
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    • From the same Pontifical Academy of Death that said you could take the abortion “Vax:”


    Pontifical Academy for Life responds to Roe ruling with ‘bizarre’ statement calling for ‘non-ideological debate’
    The Pontifical Academy for Life's statement has been met with mixed responses, with some suggesting the Academy was displeased at the overturning of Roe v. Wade.
    Featured ImageAbp. Vincenzo Paglia, head of the Pontifical Academy for Life.ROME REPORTS en Español / YouTube


    Michael Haynes

    VATICAN CITY (LifeSiteNews) – The Pontifical Academy for Life has issued a “bizarre” statement following the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, calling for a “a non-ideological debate” to determine the place “the protection of life has in a civil society.”

    The U.S. Supreme Court issued its decision this morning in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, upholding Mississippi’s 15-week abortion ban, overturning Roe v. Wade, and delivering the pro-life cause its most transformative victory since Roe unleashed nationwide abortion-on-demand in 1973.

    As pro-life advocates across the world begin to respond to the groundbreaking ruling, the Vatican’s Pontifical Academy for Life (PAL) issued its own statement, which has drawn mixed responses.

    The PAL echoed the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) statement, quoting from the U.S. bishops to say:

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    It is a time for healing wounds and repairing social divisions; it is a time for reasoned reflection and civil dialogue, and for coming together to build a society and economy that supports marriages and families, and where every woman has the support and resources she needs to bring her child into this world in love.

    The PAL avoided quoting the line from the USCCB statement which slated Roe as an “unjust law that has permitted some to decide whether others can live or die.” 

    Instead, the PAL took a distinctly noncommittal stance, and wrote that the Supreme Court’s ruling “shows how the issue of abortion continues to arouse heated debate.” 

    “The fact that a large country with a long democratic tradition has changed its position on this issue also challenges the whole world,” continued the statement. 

    The PAL added that “it is not right that the problem is set aside without adequate overall consideration,” saying that “the protection and defense of human life is not an issue that can remain confined to the exercise of individual rights but instead is a matter of broad social significance.”

    Avoiding condemning abortion, and only naming it once, the PAL called for a “debate” to discover the “place that the protection of life has in a civil society”:

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    After 50 years, it is important to reopen a non-ideological debate on the place that the protection of life has in a civil society to ask ourselves what kind of coexistence and society we want to build.

    It is a question of developing political choices that promote conditions of existence in favor of life without falling into a priori ideological positions.
    Such a “debate” would involve “ensuring adequate sɛҳuąƖ education, guaranteeing health care accessible to all and preparing legislative measures to protect the family and motherhood, overcoming existing inequalities,” added the PAL. The terms of “sɛҳuąƖ education” and accessible health care are typically used by pro-abortion advocates to advance contraceptive ideology.

    While the PAL did not specify what sort of “sɛҳuąƖ education” it desired, the Vatican academy has a history of being pro-abortion ever since Pope Francis gutted it in 2017.

    Archbishop Vincenzo Paglia, head of the Pontifical Academy for Life, said the overturning of Roe was “a powerful invitation to reflect together on the serious and urgent issue of human generativity and the conditions that make it possible; by choosing life, our responsibility for the future of humanity is at stake.”

    The PAL’s statement was met with mixed responses by Catholics, with Catholic News Agency’s Rome Correspondent Hannah Brockhaus calling it “bizarre.”
    Meanwhile, Br. Martin of the Oblates of St. Augustine, suggested the statement reflected the PAL’s “disappointment” in the Roe ruling.


    The Pontifical Academy for Life (PAV) has been described as being permeated by “heretical gnosticism” after it was overhauled by Pope Francis beginning in 2016. The Pope released new statutes for the PAV in November 2016, in which members were no longer required to sign a declaration that they uphold the Church’s pro-life teachings, while also expanding the PAV’s mandate to include a focus on the environment.

    Commenting on the reformed PAV in 2017, Lepanto Institute President Michael Hichborn declared, “The retooling of the Pontifical Academy for Life is yet another way the devil is burying the greatest abominations of our age.”
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    Re: PFAL Upset About Overturning Roe??
    « Reply #1 on: June 25, 2022, 07:35:10 AM »
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    • Here’s their bizarre statement:


    https://www.academyforlife.va/content/pav/en/news/2022/us-supreme-court-abortion.html


    Abortion USA - Press Release June 24, 2022

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    Regarding the United States Supreme Court decision that modified the 1973 legal position Roe v. Wade on the issue of abortion, the Pontifical Academy for Life presents the following statement.


    The Pontifical Academy for Life joins U.S. Bishops' statement on the decision of the Supreme Court of the United States. As Archbishop H. Gomez and Archbishop Lori declared:

    “It is a time for healing wounds and repairing social divisions; it is a time for reasoned reflection and civil dialogue, and for coming together to build a society and economy that supports marriages and families, and where every woman has the support and resources she needs to bring her child into this world in love.”

    The Court's opinion shows how the issue of abortion continues to arouse heated debate. The fact that a large country with a long democratic tradition has changed its position on this issue also challenges the whole world. It is not right that the problem is set aside without adequate overall consideration. The protection and defense of human life is not an issue that can remain confined to the exercise of individual rights but instead is a matter of broad social significance. After 50 years, it is important to reopen a non-ideological debate on the place that the protection of life has in a civil society to ask ourselves what kind of coexistence and society we want to build.

    It is a question of developing political choices that promote conditions of existence in favor of life without falling into a priori ideological positions. This also means ensuring adequate sɛҳuąƖ education, guaranteeing health care accessible to all and preparing legislative measures to protect the family and motherhood, overcoming existing inequalities. We need solid assistance to mothers, couples and the unborn child that involves the whole community, encouraging the possibility for mothers in difficulty to carry on with the pregnancy and to entrust the child to those who can guarantee the child’s growth.

    Archbishop Paglia said: “in the face of Western society that is losing its passion for life, this act is a powerful invitation to reflect together on the serious and urgent issue of human generativity and the conditions that make it possible; by choosing life, our responsibility for the future of humanity is at stake”.

    Vatican City, June 24, 2022
     
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    Re: PFAL Upset About Overturning Roe??
    « Reply #2 on: June 25, 2022, 07:41:14 AM »
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    • A perfectly conciliar equivocation ^^^^

    :facepalm:
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    Re: PFAL Upset About Overturning Roe??
    « Reply #3 on: June 25, 2022, 07:52:18 AM »
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    • “After 50 years, it is important to reopen a non-ideological debate on the place that the protection of life has in a civil society to ask ourselves what kind of coexistence and society we want to build.”

    Apparently, DeepChurch is pissed that this decision heads away from the NWO vision of antichrist society?
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    Re: PFAL Upset About Overturning Roe??
    « Reply #4 on: June 25, 2022, 08:12:48 AM »
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    • By "non-ideological," I just read that as meaning that this debate needs to be above politics and should not be a (in the US) Republican vs. Democrat thing.

    Nevertheless, it's an incredibly mealy-mouthed statement ... as is typical of the Conciliars.

    Notable to me is no mention whatsoever of God.  For them, the issue is whether we look at it from the perspective of "individual rights" vs. its "social significance."  No mention of the fact that God has the sole right over life, and THAT is why abortion is evil.  This principle has long been absent from the Pro Life movement, which has always emphasized human rights, leading to issues such as being forced by their own arguments into condemning capital punishment, among other things ... and sticking them in the position of having to argue/debate that the rights of the unborn child outweigh those of the mother in abortion (so human rights vs. human rights, rather than God's rights).  Pro Life has relied on "look at the suffering inflicted on these babies" argument, which evaporates the second they were to come up with a relatively-painless method of abortion (e.g. requiring anesthetizing the infant).  Abraham won grate favor before God for intending to sacrifice his son at God's request, an incident which sticks in the craw of most modern Pro Lifers, because they've gone off the rails in terms of the principle that God has rights over human life, and can take as He wishes ... which then leads to an explanation of why capital punishment is permitted.
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    Re: PFAL Upset About Overturning Roe??
    « Reply #5 on: June 25, 2022, 08:21:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 25, 2022, 08:12:48 AM
    By "non-ideological," I just read that as meaning that this debate needs to be above politics and should not be a (in the US) Republican vs. Democrat thing.

    Nevertheless, it's an incredibly mealy-mouthed statement ... as is typical of the Conciliars.

    Notable to me is no mention whatsoever of God.  For them, the issue is whether we look at it from the perspective of "individual rights" vs. its "social significance."  No mention of the fact that God has the sole right over life, and THAT is why abortion is evil.  This principle has long been absent from the Pro Life movement, which has always emphasized human rights, leading to issues such as being forced by their own arguments into condemning capital punishment, among other things ... and sticking them in the position of having to argue/debate that the rights of the unborn child outweigh those of the mother in abortion (so human rights vs. human rights, rather than God's rights).  Pro Life has relied on "look at the suffering inflicted on these babies" argument, which evaporates the second they were to come up with a relatively-painless method of abortion (e.g. requiring anesthetizing the infant).  Abraham won grate favor before God for intending to sacrifice his son at God's request, an incident which sticks in the craw of most modern Pro Lifers, because they've gone off the rails in terms of the principle that God has rights over human life, and can take as He wishes ... which then leads to an explanation of why capital punishment is permitted.

    Excellent comment!!
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    Re: PFAL Upset About Overturning Roe??
    « Reply #6 on: June 25, 2022, 08:26:23 AM »
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    • The decision overturning RVW throws down a challenge to the rest of the world, and quite frankly, makes them look bad.  Rome has never quite known quite what to do with America since Day One, and this just aggravates them further, especially given the Modernist tilt of Newchurch.

    The recurring theme among pro-abortion folks in the US, at least the more sophisticated of them, is similar to how anti-gun people think --- "if only we could be like the rest of the world".  While I am a monarchist and have long been of the opinion that the American "Revolution" was an illegitimate and sinful rejection of a Crown that had a claim over her colonies (as imperfect and heretical as that Crown may have been), motivated in large part by business interests with a Masonic philosophical overlay, still, I am wondering if Divine Providence has unfolded so that we may set an example for the rest of the world regarding the murderous crime and sin of abortion.  

    Sadly, even this country is now divided between "abortion states" and "pro-life states".  I am seriously considering finding a way not to spend money in the "abortion states", and to stay away from those places.  There are countless things to see and do in the "pro-life states".
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    Re: PFAL Upset About Overturning Roe??
    « Reply #7 on: June 25, 2022, 08:30:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on June 25, 2022, 08:26:23 AM
    I am seriously considering finding a way not to spend money in the "abortion states", and to stay away from those places.  There are countless things to see and do in the "pro-life states".

    Intriguing.  🤔
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    Re: PFAL Upset About Overturning Roe??
    « Reply #8 on: June 25, 2022, 08:56:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on June 25, 2022, 08:26:23 AM
    The decision overturning RVW throws down a challenge to the rest of the world, and quite frankly, makes them look bad.

    You wouldn't know this from the media, but there are quite a few countries where abortion is completely prohibited, and many more where it's only allowed "to save the life of the mother".

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-where-abortion-is-illegal
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    Re: PFAL Upset About Overturning Roe??
    « Reply #9 on: June 25, 2022, 09:44:03 AM »
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    • The only sacrament the Novus Ordo sect recognizes is "dialogue."
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    Re: PFAL Upset About Overturning Roe??
    « Reply #10 on: June 25, 2022, 09:52:26 AM »
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    • Of course because the pro life Catholics were removed and replaced with humanistic satanists who are for child sacrifice and orgies involving children. Global demonic freaks took over the Vatican.  Yep, the smoke of satan took over the Church. 
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    Re: PFAL Upset About Overturning Roe??
    « Reply #11 on: June 25, 2022, 09:57:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on June 25, 2022, 09:52:26 AM
    Yep, the smoke of satan took over the Church. Eclipsed the Church.
    The Whore of Babylon is NOT the Catholic Church.
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    Re: PFAL Upset About Overturning Roe??
    « Reply #12 on: June 25, 2022, 10:56:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 25, 2022, 08:56:34 AM
    You wouldn't know this from the media, but there are quite a few countries where abortion is completely prohibited, and many more where it's only allowed "to save the life of the mother".

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-where-abortion-is-illegal

    The countries where abortion is completely prohibited aren't all that many, and except for the Philippines and some of the sub-Saharan African countries, they aren't countries with a sizable Catholic population.  Laos is an interesting outlier.

    I admit that I did have in mind the Western countries with largely European-descended populations.

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    Re: PFAL Upset About Overturning Roe??
    « Reply #13 on: June 25, 2022, 11:35:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 25, 2022, 07:52:18 AM
    “After 50 years, it is important to reopen a non-ideological debate on the place that the protection of life has in a civil society to ask ourselves what kind of coexistence and society we want to build.”
    The Church, of all people and entities, should know we are to build a society Christ wants.
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    Re: PFAL Upset About Overturning Roe??
    « Reply #14 on: June 25, 2022, 11:37:45 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on June 25, 2022, 08:26:23 AM
      I am seriously considering finding a way not to spend money in the "abortion states", and to stay away from those places.  There are countless things to see and do in the "pro-life states".
    Excellent idea!
    It is really hard to boycott every company that supports abortion, but certainly we can boycott states!
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