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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: Matto on September 13, 2019, 07:34:40 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aDkQrTmZ1w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aDkQrTmZ1w)
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The ADL defiantly will take the $50,000 donation and fight to continue censorship and purge PewDiePie from the Internet and
YouTube.
The People whom make up the ADL have no compassion nor forgiveness against their made up enemies.
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Meyer Lansky's grand daughter worked at the ADL? Interesting.
m.a.f.i.a. Mazzini autorizza furti incendi avvelenamenti
"videte ne quis vos seducat", take heed that no man deceive you.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aDkQrTmZ1w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aDkQrTmZ1w)
Et tu, Matto? An antisemite! Congratulations. Who could have guessed? (chuckling)
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Et tu, Matto? An antisemite! Congratulations. Who could have guessed? (chuckling)
I was very proud when a few years ago, the poster "rum" said that I was one of the posters on the forum who was good on the Jєωιѕн question(s). But I do not hate Jews. Sometimes I think I should. I love them and want them to convert. I live among Jews. I hate their religion and as E Michael Jones describes it, their "revolutionary spirit", and think that the myth of the vampire was a warning against Jews, even more powerful than "The Merchant of Venice". But I do not talk about Jєωιѕн issues a lot. I prefer to talk about nature and God. If you notice lately I don't even argue much about the crisis in the Church. I used to talk more about EENS and sedevacantism and the social reign of Christ the King. But I think how one thinks of the Jews is a good shibboleth for traditional Catholics. The reason I do not trust for example Ann Barnhardt, is not because of her "Benny-vacantism", but because she dismisses Jones as a quack and compares those who do not trust the Jews to the people who think the world is run by "lizard people".
There is a man in Kew Gardens who I call the wandering Jew. We know each other by sight. His eyes are open. I want to convert him. Once in a blue moon we see each other. The last time we saw each other we waved to each other and smiled. He has a missing tooth and a gold tooth. He reminds me of the Jew in Canticle for Liebowitz.
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But I do not hate Jews.
This hating of Jews is a bit of a dilemma for me. I once asked what is the source of the teaching that it is wrong for Catholics to hate Jews. BTNYC gave a reply (https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/anti-semitism-part-of-wave-of-'depraved-hatred-'-pope-says/msg646714/#msg646714).
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This hating of Jews is a bit of a dilemma for me. I once asked what is the source of the teaching that it is wrong for Catholics to hate Jews. BTNYC gave a reply (https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/anti-semitism-part-of-wave-of-'depraved-hatred-'-pope-says/msg646714/#msg646714).
I wonder about the same. I once brought up the famous quote of St. John Chrysostom where he stated that God hated the Jews and I asked if it was true that God did hate the Jews and I was attacked on this forum and people seemed to think that I was some sort of Jєωιѕн troll trying to trick the goyim into wrongspeak and then reporting the offenders to the Mossad. That was the impression I got anyway.
But I was being honest as it troubled me and got me to thinking. Does God hate the Jews? Some of them? All of them? Only the leaders who know they are working for Satan and not the little ones who follow the Rabbis thinking they are working for the God of Abraham?
Because I do not feel a hatred for Jews. I am always walking in Kew Gardens where there are ѕуηαgσgυєs on almost every street and Jews are everywhere and I do not feel a hatred for them. I pity them to be honest, and I think about the children and the young women thoughts like "how beautiful they are (in a natural way), but what a shame that they are not pleasing to God because they lack Baptism" but I try to love them. But I want them to convert or go away.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aDkQrTmZ1w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aDkQrTmZ1w)
This surprised me. What surprised me is that there are so many on to the ADL. And that someone like this young youtuber makes that much money from his youtube videos.
I can't help but remember how the ADL and Abe Foxman went after Bishop Williamson with a vengeance about 15 or so years ago, but when Rashida, Ilhan, Sandy, and the other squad member make anti-semitic comments, they are mute.
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I wonder about the same. I once brought up the famous quote of St. John Chrysostom where he stated that God hated the Jews and I asked if it was true that God did hate the Jews and I was attacked on this forum and people seemed to think that I was some sort of Jєωιѕн troll trying to trick the goyim into wrongspeak and then reporting the offenders to the Mossad. That was the impression I got anyway.
But I was being honest as it troubled me and got me to thinking. Does God hate the Jews? Some of them? All of them? Only the leaders who know they are working for Satan and not the little ones who follow the Rabbis thinking they are working for the God of Abraham?
Because I do not feel a hatred for Jews. I am always walking in Kew Gardens where there are ѕуηαgσgυєs on almost every street and Jews are everywhere and I do not feel a hatred for them. I pity them to be honest, and I think about the children and the young women thoughts like "how beautiful they are (in a natural way), but what a shame that they are not pleasing to God because they lack Baptism" but I try to love them. But I want them to convert or go away.
"The Jews, Indeed, we also pray for them: that their minds be enlightened. " - Pope St Pius X
https://ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/primary-texts-from-the-history-of-the-relationship/herzl1904 (https://ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/primary-texts-from-the-history-of-the-relationship/herzl1904)
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Pope St. Pius V, Hebraeorum gens: “The Jєωιѕн people fell from the heights because of their faithlessness and condemned their Redeemer to a shameful death. Their godlessness has assumed such forms that, for the salvation of our own people, it becomes necessary to prevent their disease. Besides usury, through which Jews everywhere have sucked dry the property of impoverished Christians, they are accomplices of thieves and robbers; and the most damaging aspect of the matter is that they allure the unsuspecting through magical incantations, superstition, and witchcraft to the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan and boast of being able to predict the future. We have carefully investigated how this revolting sect abuses the name of Christ and how harmful they are to those whose life is threatened by their deceit. On account of these and other serious matters, and because of the gravity of their crimes which increase day to day more and more, We order that, within 90 days, all Jews in our entire earthly realm of justice -- in all towns, districts, and places -- must depart these regions.”
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Pope St. Pius V, Hebraeorum gens: “The Jєωιѕн people fell from the heights because of their faithlessness and condemned their Redeemer to a shameful death. Their godlessness has assumed such forms that, for the salvation of our own people, it becomes necessary to prevent their disease. Besides usury, through which Jews everywhere have sucked dry the property of impoverished Christians, they are accomplices of thieves and robbers; and the most damaging aspect of the matter is that they allure the unsuspecting through magical incantations, superstition, and witchcraft to the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan and boast of being able to predict the future. We have carefully investigated how this revolting sect abuses the name of Christ and how harmful they are to those whose life is threatened by their deceit. On account of these and other serious matters, and because of the gravity of their crimes which increase day to day more and more, We order that, within 90 days, all Jews in our entire earthly realm of justice -- in all towns, districts, and places -- must depart these regions.”
You should also remember that all of the apostles and the Blessed Virgin were Jews.
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You should also remember that all of the apostles and the Blessed Virgin were Jews.
With respect to the Apostles, you mean in the past tense, in that upon recognizing Jesus Christ, they converted. In the present tense, especially ~2000 years after the fact, Jews have, and continue to, fully reject Jesus Christ and his One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
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You should also remember that all of the apostles and the Blessed Virgin were Jews.
Almost all of today's observant Jews are тαℓмυdic Jews, followers of the Pharisees.
None of the Holy Family were Pharisees. In fact, Jesus Christ, True Man and True God, damned the Pharisees and damned the followers of the Pharisees as "two-fold children of hell" (Mt 23:15)
You, Poche, are a monstrous blasphemer for attempting to conflate the Holy Family with the damned Pharisees.
(https://www.judaism.is/images/jesus%20was%20a%20jew2.jpg)
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Jesus: Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you go round about the sea and the land to make one proselyte; and when he is made, you make him the child of hell twofold more than yourselves.
Jews: “The Jєωιѕн religion as it is today traces its descent, without a break, through all the centuries, from the Pharisees.” Universal Jєωιѕн Encyclopedia, Vol. 3 pg. 474
“Pharisaism became тαℓмυdism, тαℓмυdism became Medieval Rabbinism, and Medieval Rabbinism became Modern Rabbinism. But throughout these changes of name, inevitable adaptation of custom, and adjustment of Law, the spirit of the ancient Pharisee survives unaltered.” Rabbi Dr. Finkelstein, The Pharisees: The Sociological Background of Their Faith, The Jєωιѕн Publication Society of America (1946) p. xxi
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… I asked if it was true that God did hate the Jews and I was attacked on this forum and people seemed to think that I was some sort of Jєωιѕн troll trying to trick the goyim into wrongspeak and then reporting the offenders to the Mossad.
… I do not feel a hatred for Jews. … I try to love them. But I want them to convert or go away.
Your attitude is laudable. It is disturbing to see self-described Catholics talking blithely about how hatred for Jews is perfectly OK because they hate us Catholics so much.
The old Baltimore Catechism states the authentic Catholic position simply and unequivocally:
[Question] 478. For whom should we pray?
[Answer] We should pray especially for ourselves, for our parents, relatives, friends, and enemies, for sinners, for the souls in purgatory, for the Pope, bishops, and priests of the Church, and for the officials of our country.
But I say to you, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who persecute and calumniate you, so that you may be children of your Father in heaven. (Matthew 5:44-45)
It is obviously and terribly wrong to hold delusional views about Jєωιѕн suffering, virtue, integrity[!], and magnanimity. As a collective, the Jews are evil through and through, however secularly decent and well meaning this or that individual Jew might be. Their plans and actions in contempt of the Cross and expressive of their hatred of those who follow the Cross must be resisted with the maximum of effort. It is also terribly wrong, however, to hate them because they persecute and calumniate us. We spurn Our Divine Lord's example when we do.
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…It is disturbing to see self-described Catholics talking blithely about how hatred for Jews is perfectly OK because they hate us Catholics so much.…
I missed the posts of the self-described Catholics talking blithely about how hatred for Jews is perfectly OK for any reason.
Who said that? When and where?
I am interested in the exact quote.
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Almost all of today's observant Jews are тαℓмυdic Jews, followers of the Pharisees.
None of the Holy Family were Pharisees. In fact, Jesus Christ, True Man and True God, damned the Pharisees and damned the followers of the Pharisees as "two-fold children of hell" (Mt 23:15)
You, Poche, are a monstrous blasphemer for attempting to conflate the Holy Family with the damned Pharisees.
(https://www.judaism.is/images/jesus%20was%20a%20jew2.jpg)
Jesus didn't damn the Pharisees. In fact he said from the Cross, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." He condemned certain behaviors and attitudes that are very easy to fall into in spiritual life, the facile condemning of others, the focus on the Law as opposed to the spirit of the Law, a lack of charity toward others, rash judgments. In some instances he told certain teachers of the Law, "You are not far from the Kingdom."
The Holy Family taught us how to live in part by their obedience to the Mosaic Law.
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"[34] And Jesus said: Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. But they, dividing his garments, cast lots."
[Luke 23:34]
Poche, The THEY Jesus speaks of here are the Roman soldiers, as you will see if you take the WHOLE of the verse.
And what have the pharisees to do with the Mosaic law?
And what has the Holy Family to do with the pharisees?
These are rhetorical questions, and so not requiring an answer.
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Jesus didn't damn the Pharisees. In fact he said from the Cross, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." He condemned certain behaviors and attitudes that are very easy to fall into in spiritual life, the facile condemning of others, the focus on the Law as opposed to the spirit of the Law, a lack of charity toward others, rash judgments. In some instances he told certain teachers of the Law, "You are not far from the Kingdom."
The Holy Family taught us how to live in part by their obedience to the Mosaic Law.
Precisely as Nadir notes, Luke 23:24 was not a general absolution of the Pharisees.
Further, since the Pharisees proselytes (тαℓмυdic Jews) weren't alive and "doing" the Deicide, today's Jews are not absolved in advance for all they do in following the damned Pharisees. Today's observant Jews remain "twofold children of hell" (Matthew 23:15).
Your Judaizing misinterpretation of Luke 23:24 would make Jesus a liar in these verses:
axe laid to the root Matthew 3:10
broken off Romans 11:17-20
cast into the fire Matthew 3:10; 7:19; Luke 3:9
condemned Mark 16:16
cut down Matthew 3:10
in vain do they worship me Matthew 15:9; Mark 7:7
judgment of Hell Matthew 23:33
shall be broken Matthew 21:44
shall be ground into powder Matthew 21:44
the kingdom of God shall be taken from them Matthew 21:43
woe Matthew 23:13, 14, 15, 16, 23, 25, 27; Luke 11:42, 43, 44, 46, 47, 52
wrath Matthew 3:7; Luke 3:7; 21:23; John 3:36; Romans 2:5; I Thessalonians 2:16
their house shall be left desolate Matthew 23:38
they do not enter the kingdom of Heaven Matthew 23:13
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Poor Felix, maybe one day he'll figure out what life is really about. Take the Pewdiepie challenge and stop watching the video when he takes the Lord's Name in vain (hint: you'll never see another full length PDP clip again).
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I missed the posts of the self-described Catholics talking blithely about how hatred for Jews is perfectly OK for any reason.
Who said that? When and where?
I am interested in the exact quote.
I wasn't referring to you, Mark, either directly or implicitly. I thought that you knew that I have great respect for your work. As for your question, one doesn't have to look long and hard through the archives to find examples of the phenomenon I referred to.
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I wasn't referring to you, Mark, either directly or implicitly. I thought that you knew that I have great respect for your work. As for your question, one doesn't have to look long and hard through the archives to find examples of the phenomenon I referred to.
Thank you for the clarification and your kind compliment. I will work harder to deserve it, but I am genuinely surprised at the accusation because I do not recall anyone making such comments… though I do pass over much dross.
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Thank you for the clarification and your kind compliment. I will work harder to deserve it, but I am genuinely surprised at the accusation because I do not recall anyone making such comments… though I do pass over much dross.
You are wise indeed to pass over the dross, of which there is no shortage.
I would add only that there are several examples of approving reference to hate in the thread that rum linked to on page 1 of this thread. Half a dozen years ago, however, when I was a novice commenter, there was a great deal more of that sort of thing than there is now. I must say in fairness that Matthew has done good work in locating and expelling many of the worst fomenters.
A teacher of mine from many, many decades ago used to say repeatedly that the two Gospel counsels that were the hardest to put into practice were "love thy neighbor as thyself" and "do good to those that hate you." Speaking for myself and with especial reference to the Jews, I have never had occasion to doubt the accuracy of his sentiment.
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You are wise indeed to pass over the dross, of which there is no shortage.
I would add only that there are several examples of approving reference to hate in the thread that rum linked to on page 1 of this thread. Half a dozen years ago, however, when I was a novice commenter, there was a great deal more of that sort of thing than there is now. I must say in fairness that Matthew has done good work in locating and expelling many of the worst fomenters.
A teacher of mine from many, many decades ago used to say repeatedly that the two Gospel counsels that were the hardest to put into practice were "love thy neighbor as thyself" and "do good to those that hate you." Speaking for myself and with especial reference to the Jews, I have never had occasion to doubt the accuracy of his sentiment.
Certainly our private and professional lives offer many opportunities to live those counsels, but we must keep our eyes wide open lest we fall to their deceits, seductions, and misanthropy.
Too, upon meeting their organized opposition to God, we owe the Jews our fiercest truth and unwavering resistance.
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Certainly our private and professional lives offer many opportunities to live those counsels, but we must keep our eyes wide open lest we fall to their deceits, seductions, and misanthropy.
Too, upon meeting their organized opposition to God, we owe the Jews our fiercest truth and unwavering resistance.
Just so.
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It is disturbing to see self-described Catholics talking blithely about how hatred for Jews is perfectly OK because they hate us Catholics so much.
Apparently, you fail to realize that Jews are enemies of God, not merely our enemies. The Lord commands us to love our enemies, not His enemies. Quote the Lord's commandment telling us to love His enemies.
Now, I can quote the Gospel of Luke 19:27 commanding the Lord's elect to deal with His enemies who refuses the Christ to rule over them. Read it for yourself. It's direct. The Lord doesn't mince His words.
Regarding hatred for the Jews:
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St. John Chrysostom's commentary on Luke 19:27 here:
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