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Personality types. good and evil?
« on: December 30, 2009, 06:13:57 AM »
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  •   It is God who creates us with different personality types, so it follows that all of them are good and worthy of respect, and all of them have some role in God's plan.
      But reading some articles on traditional gender roles and marriage, makes me think that perhaps some personality types are undesireable and people who have them make bad spouses.
      examples:
      1-Alpha vs. Beta men (type A vs. type B) just read some marriage manual and see how they are telling women how to find Alpha men, as if a type B man was not a person.

      2-The whole emphasis on being extrovert and sociable, as though introversion was a defect.

      3- The fact that our definition of a successful person (especially a successful man) matches so well with ST types, and so little with NF ones.

      I think it is very discriminatory.

      any thoughts?

    PS. to read more about their definitions:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_A_and_Type_B_personality_theory

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keirsey_Temperament_Sorter

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16_Personality_Factors


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    « Reply #1 on: December 30, 2009, 08:38:40 AM »
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    « Reply #2 on: December 30, 2009, 09:24:53 AM »
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  • Spouse, I agree with you that it is discriminatory.

    I believe it is due to two things: in the world we treat our bodies as a "commodity", available for trade to the highest bidder, and since the so-called "alpha" male is likely to make more money in business, people who are seeking the highest bidder will seek him.

    The other thing is that our society around the world becomes more fascist every day, and the "alpha" type is the fighter. It is all about violence and Darwinian survival.

    Love and gentleness have been tossed out along with any notion of Eternity being more important than physical survival.

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    « Reply #3 on: December 30, 2009, 10:13:03 AM »
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       On-line anti-feminist websites, that speak about marriage. Also searching on-line libraries for books written before 1950 on this topic, gives you many results.

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    « Reply #4 on: December 30, 2009, 10:19:32 AM »
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       On-line anti-feminist websites, that speak about marriage. Also searching on-line libraries for books written before 1950 on this topic, gives you many results.


    I'd be wary of "anti-feminists."  Obviously women are attracted more to certain kind of men, just like men are attracted to certain kind of women.  

    It seems like strange advice, like telling a man he should marry a beautiful woman.





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    « Reply #5 on: December 30, 2009, 10:20:28 AM »
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    Spouse, I agree with you that it is discriminatory.


      People with higher sensitivity and emotional passivity are called immature, irresponsible and instable. But if it is my creator's plan, it is good for me.
      To say introversion is a disease is as silly as saying that having brown hair is a disease.
      Some people may think that beta men are effeminate..... :shocked:

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    « Reply #6 on: December 30, 2009, 10:48:09 AM »
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     It is God who creates us with different personality types, so it follows that all of them are good and worthy of respect, and all of them have some role in God's plan.


    Don't forget the influence of original sin.  Not everybody is as God wants them to be.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 30, 2009, 12:13:53 PM »
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  •   But it doesn't mean that the charactristics with which we are born are sinful. It doesn't mean that we have any obligation to be similar to one another.
      Just as every race has it's own weak and strong points, just as can't tell people to change their colour, just as there is no merit or demit in being born this way or that way, So is the case with temperaments and personality types.

      PS. I am not trying to justify sins by speaking about personality types, It is true that each type may have a greater or lesser tendency to special sins. Differences in race, gender, environment and other factors too can give us differnt tendencies to sin but It doesn't mean that if I say that I am a persian woman I am trying to justify my sins. In the same way, temperants are not licenses to do evil, but they are:
      1- real
      2-God's plan and choice for you.
      3- not evil.


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    « Reply #8 on: December 30, 2009, 11:20:46 PM »
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  • I'd question what you're reading if it recommends the examples you provided. (one and two at least, the third was unfamiliar to me) As you well know, personality types do not define holiness or lack thereof and that is what we all strive for.

    It's helpful to understand your personality (and that of your children) in order to understand which sorts of sin will be greater challenges to overcome.

    I believe declaring one type "better" than another has only to do with what society expects of us, not God.
    "I think that Catholicism, that's as sane as people can get."  - Jordan Peterson

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    « Reply #9 on: December 30, 2009, 11:58:23 PM »
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     But it doesn't mean that the charactristics with which we are born are sinful. It doesn't mean that we have any obligation to be similar to one another.
      Just as every race has it's own weak and strong points, just as can't tell people to change their colour, just as there is no merit or demit in being born this way or that way, So is the case with temperaments and personality types.

      PS. I am not trying to justify sins by speaking about personality types, It is true that each type may have a greater or lesser tendency to special sins. Differences in race, gender, environment and other factors too can give us differnt tendencies to sin but It doesn't mean that if I say that I am a persian woman I am trying to justify my sins. In the same way, temperants are not licenses to do evil, but they are:
      1- real
      2-God's plan and choice for you.
      3- not evil.


    I think it is dangerous when preachers attempt to be psychologists. Those personality-type things are oversimplified and can lead us to label ourselves instead of actually getting to know ourselves.

    There is a subtle tendency that I see in those three items about temperaments.

    The first suggests that if your temperament is "real", any experience that you have to the contrary is not real. For example, if you believe you have a timid temperament, but in a crisis you feel courageous, you might refuse to act on your courage because it does not fit the "reality" of your label. Likewise, if someone has labeled himself an "Alpha", he might believe that a willingness to let someone else take charge is not "real", and disobey it, even if it is the right thing to do.

    The second seems like the Protestant heresy that disconnects each individual Christian from the larger Communion of Saints, leading  individuals  to ignore moral and ethical standards because they think their life-plan is uniquely privileged.

    The third is the pagan heresy of denying the actual existence of evil, and we need only to look around to see where that leads.

    Here is a link to a Catholic psychology resource that I hope will be helpful:

    http://www.chastitysf.com/home.htm

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    « Reply #10 on: December 31, 2009, 12:55:11 AM »
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    The third is the pagan heresy of denying the actual existence of evil, and we need only to look around to see where that leads.


      Do you mean that personal characteristics are evil (sinful)?
    I know that we are born with a fallen nature and the original sin, but I didn't know that our characteristics are evil too.
      I thought that differences in race, gender, temperament, blood type, and body sturctures of people were exactly what God ordains, and a reason to glorify Him....


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    « Reply #11 on: December 31, 2009, 01:55:47 AM »
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    The third is the pagan heresy of denying the actual existence of evil, and we need only to look around to see where that leads.


      Do you mean that personal characteristics are evil (sinful)?
    I know that we are born with a fallen nature and the original sin, but I didn't know that our characteristics are evil too.
      I thought that differences in race, gender, temperament, blood type, and body sturctures of people were exactly what God ordains, and a reason to glorify Him....


    No, our personal characteristics are more or less neutral. But there is evil in the world and we can give ourselves over to it.

    I don't think "Original Sin" is the same thing as true evil. It is more like a fatal weakness, only Satan is truly evil.

    Human beings end up in hell if we are not saved from Original Sin the same way a person drowns if he has not learned how to swim. You don't blame the sea for drowning him, that is like Original Sin.

    But if someone ties a rock to his feet and then he drowns, then you blame that person for a sin that is truly evil, unlike the original sin.

    So I am not saying people are evil, but there is a tendency to go from "not evil" to "nothing is evil".  It is just a tendency, that's all.

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    « Reply #12 on: January 04, 2010, 05:48:00 PM »
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  • There is a book called the 4 temperaments that explains personalities type very well.  I gave my copy away so I can't tell you the author.  But here is a web site I found:
    http://www.4marks.com/temperaments.html

    We are all different, created with different gifts, so I would hope a quiet melancholic man like me still has value.  

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    « Reply #13 on: January 07, 2010, 04:38:43 PM »
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  • I ignore the modern "personality classifications" because they are so ridiculous and they leave out the most important factors such as fallen human nature and the spiritual life. I use the Four Temperaments system because it takes all those factors into account and it's more accurate.

    BTW, dont use the Four Temperaments Quiz thing on FE... it's a piece of junk like those silly quizzes on Quiz.com . Only you can judge for yourself what temperament you are, not a computer. Buy or find the book online and read it.

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    « Reply #14 on: January 08, 2010, 08:03:21 AM »
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