Author Topic: People who are madly in love (Read 1523 times)

spouse of Jesus · « **on:** May 26, 2012, 12:16:09 PM »

Charity means wishing somebody good. A love between a man and a woman is charity+ mutual attraction IMO. But what happens when people are madly in love? To the point that they are blind to dangers, can't reason, and are ready to do even harmful and inhuman things just to be with one another?
It is not charity because it damages. And the point that mad love can happen both to the celibate and the polygamist shows that the cause can't be ''an unsatisfied thirst for carnal desires".
-a boy writes a girl's name on his skin by a sharp knife, blood flows.....
-a girl kills her parents because they object to her love.
-a mother kills her child as the child was disturbing her and her lover's calmness.
-men and women escape from their Countries and illegally immigrate to a war-stricken one, just because they can be united with their love there.
What is the cause of madness in love?

Roland Deschain · « **Reply #1 on:** May 26, 2012, 01:12:01 PM »

What you have described is, in fact, not love at all. It sounds more like teenage inspired infatuation and obsession.

Love is total self giving to another. Lust, infatuation etc seeks its own pleasure and reward. The "butterflies in the stomach" feeling lasts only so long. After that, real love endures.

One of the sad traits of our society is confusing immature, teenager infatuation and "feelings" with love. The reasons? I chalk it up to overall lack of maturity in so-called adults which trickles down to the next generation.

I've been married for over 12 years, since my early 20s and have 5 children. Believe me, feelings doesn't get you up in the morning to fulfill your state in life and continue to battle on through this vale of tears. Life, marriage and fatherhood are beautiful blessings; but it is love (charity) that makes it possible.

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #2 on:** May 26, 2012, 01:40:19 PM »

But I don't think it is lust. Why should a man do harmful things in order to get a certain woman while there are many other ladies available? He can have his lust without having to suffer.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #3 on:** May 26, 2012, 08:57:05 PM »

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Charity means wishing somebody good. A love between a man and a woman is charity+ mutual attraction IMO. But what happens when people are madly in love? To the point that they are blind to dangers, can't reason, and are ready to do even harmful and inhuman things just to be with one another?
It is not charity because it damages. And the point that mad love can happen both to the celibate and the polygamist shows that the cause can't be ''an unsatisfied thirst for carnal desires".
-a boy writes a girl's name on his skin by a sharp knife, blood flows.....
-a girl kills her parents because they object to her love.
-a mother kills her child as the child was disturbing her and her lover's calmness.
-men and women escape from their Countries and illegally immigrate to a war-stricken one, just because they can be united with their love there.
What is the cause of madness in love?

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But I don't think it is lust. Why should a man do harmful things in order to get a certain woman while there are many other ladies available? He can have his lust without having to suffer.

Enthroning another human being in one's heart, and upon the place where only God may be seated.

In a word, Idolatry.

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #4 on:** May 26, 2012, 09:33:44 PM »

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What is the cause of madness in love?

A lax or tepid interior life (that is, if there is any sort of interior life that approximates the life of prayer that is worthy of the ineffable thaumaturgy of supernatural grace) will lead an individual to excessive and abusive attachment to self and other created things, in a vain attempt to fulfill the happiness necessitated by the unfathomable immensity and profundity of the human soul: God alone, knowing, loving and serving Him, can make the human soul truly happy.

A lax or tepid interior life is one that is bereft of the magnanimity, generosity, and courage to practice mortification and self-abnegation as much as one can practice them (the duties of state, the counsel of Spiritual directors, the inspirations of grace, &c., may determine the sorts of mortification that an individual ought to practice), and the soul negotiates away the liberty of holy grace by giving in to the "enfranchisement" that the world and the flesh offer, which is really the tyranny of the devils.

Without God, the soul is driven to either distract itself from its appalling interior chaos with the things and thoughts of the world, or is compelled to make an idol out of something or someone which they believe will make them happy. That thing that the worldings call love is only a complex sequence of neuro-chemical processes that are manipulated for egocentric satisfaction: when those processes cannot be manipulated so that satisfaction is attained, then exterior factors and variables are manipulated to get the desired results.

With human nature and society so vitiated by original sin (worsened by the course of the ages and the exacerbation of ever-growing personal and public sins), a soul can gradually lapse into a psychopathic state wherein it debases itself even to sadism, however subtle it may be. Mortal sin itself in its awful plenitude is a sort of sadism, a relish of the hatred of God and of self, and a soul in such a state cannot truly love itself or anyone else.

The pseudo-civilization of the present age is designed so that if you are not cultivating the interior life worthy of Christian grace, then you can theoretically succuмb to the basest forms of pathology and commit the most horrendous acts, even whilst remaining blind or insensible to the gravity of these matters.

It's not a coincidence that serial killers and vicious criminals were never persons given over to prayer and meditation.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #5 on:** May 28, 2012, 08:31:33 AM »

This sort of passion is a part of human nature SoJ.

As St. Thomas Aquinas said, the reason the putting away of an adulterous wife is allowed is in order to prevent wife murder. He points out that the civil law might even not penalize a man who kills a wife caught in flagrante delicto, but that it is still a damnable sin.

We live in a society without honor, a society where "love" is considered cheap.

It's wrong to be madly in love, but we need to understand this society has pathologized the normal feelings of love and honor, just as it attempts to pathologize the role of the husband and father in society in general.

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #6 on:** June 03, 2012, 05:09:17 PM »

From the tome The Imitation of the Sacred Heart of Jesus by Rev. Father Peter J. Arnoudt, S.J. (Book I., chapters ii.-iii.; New York: Benziger Brothers, 1904), here are some very important truths of the interior life, the neglect of which leads to the excesses and absurdities that have degraded the present age.

Malleus 01 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 07, 2012, 04:10:46 PM »

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Charity means wishing somebody good. A love between a man and a woman is charity+ mutual attraction IMO. But what happens when people are madly in love? To the point that they are blind to dangers, can't reason, and are ready to do even harmful and inhuman things just to be with one another?
It is not charity because it damages. And the point that mad love can happen both to the celibate and the polygamist shows that the cause can't be ''an unsatisfied thirst for carnal desires".
-a boy writes a girl's name on his skin by a sharp knife, blood flows.....
-a girl kills her parents because they object to her love.
-a mother kills her child as the child was disturbing her and her lover's calmness.
-men and women escape from their Countries and illegally immigrate to a war-stricken one, just because they can be united with their love there.
What is the cause of madness in love?

True love is based on Love of GOD

We are taught as Catholics to Love GOD and to Love our neighbor as ourselves out of that Love of GOD.

This includes the Love of ones Spouse and the Love of ones Children.

If a person claims they LOVE someone in the truest sense of the word - it is always a moral act based on fidelity to GOD and GOD's Morality.

Anything less isnt really Love.

Tiffany · « **Reply #8 on:** June 18, 2012, 07:51:21 AM »

It could be a result of a cluster b personality disorder. Either they have one or they are submitting to the demands of a partner that has one.