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Re: Paul VI's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity: Rumor or Reality?
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2022, 04:05:15 PM »
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    « Reply #16 on: June 23, 2022, 04:08:57 PM »
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  • I remember seeing a photo of him prior to ordination, with some male friends.  He was clearly a perv.  I can't find it now.


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    Re: Paul VI's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity: Rumor or Reality?
    « Reply #17 on: June 23, 2022, 04:16:47 PM »
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  • It’s June 29, 1972. Paul VI has a clearer and clearer impression that there is something deep and negative that is increasingly afflicting the Church. The path towards secularization and the lack of internal unity are becoming two great problems for the Church throughout the world.
    The pope, concerned, writes:
    “… We would say that, through some mysterious crack—no, it’s not mysterious; through some crack, the smoke of Satan has entered the Church of God. There is doubt, uncertainty, problems, unrest, dissatisfaction, confrontation.
    “The Church is no longer trusted. We trust the first pagan prophet we see who speaks to us in some newspaper, and we run behind him and ask him if he has the formula for true life. I repeat, doubt has entered our conscience. And it entered through the windows that should have been open to the light: science.”
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

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    Re: Paul VI's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity: Rumor or Reality?
    « Reply #18 on: June 23, 2022, 04:30:17 PM »
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    Re: Paul VI's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity: Rumor or Reality?
    « Reply #19 on: June 23, 2022, 04:33:40 PM »
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    Re: Paul VI's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity: Rumor or Reality?
    « Reply #20 on: June 23, 2022, 04:35:13 PM »
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  • One of the creepiest photos of him i have ever seen:

    This is a composite photo- the guy in black is a cut and paste. Don't know why. Looks kind of like the Fake Sister Lucy photo composite with Paul Vl in 1965. What's with the black outline around his head?

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    Re: Paul VI's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity: Rumor or Reality?
    « Reply #21 on: June 25, 2022, 03:04:29 PM »
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  • "Martel elaborates on the rumors and gossip that were rife in the Italian press about a romantic relationship between the pontiff and a theater and TV actor named Palo Carlini, the vigorous denials and the ultimate dismissal of suspicions by none other than Ratzinger himself, who signed the decree that led to the title “Venerable,” and later sainthood, being conferred on Paul."

    https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/2019-04-06/ty-article-magazine/.premium/sex-parties-drugs-and-closeted-clergy-undercover-in-the-vatican/0000017f-dfac-df9c-a17f-ffbc0e270000

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    Re: Paul VI's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity: Rumor or Reality?
    « Reply #22 on: June 25, 2022, 03:09:25 PM »
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  • Roger Peyrefitte is cited by Michael Jordan as saying that ‘the pope, while a cardinal, would go to a "discreet house" to meet young men.


    Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D., in Rumor or Reality?, summarises the evidence regarding the sɛҳuąƖity of Pope Paul VI that was compiled by Atila S. Guimarães for his book, Vatican II, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and Pedophilia.


    https://www.quora.com/Has-there-even-been-a-Pope-who-was-a-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ


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    Re: Paul VI's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity: Rumor or Reality?
    « Reply #23 on: June 25, 2022, 03:35:58 PM »
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  • By Randy Engel:

    "As revealed in the concluding segment on the Cambridge Spies, Robin Bryans, aka Robert Harbinson, the Irish writer and self-confessed ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, in his 1992 autobiography, The Dust Never Settles, claims that his friend Hugh Montgomery told him that he (Montgomery) and the young Montini had been lovers.
    To reiterate, Hugh Montgomery was the brother of the well-known artist Peter Montgomery, the long-time sex partner of Cambridge spy Anthony Blunt. Bryans says that Hugh Montgomery was also a one-time lover of the powerful and well-known ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ diplomat Sir Gilbert Laithwaite.[114]
    During the mid-1930s, Hugh Montgomery was assigned a diplomatic post at the Vatican as the Chargé d’Affaires under Sir Alec Randall, the British representative to the Holy See. It was here that Hugh met an equally up and coming Italian junior diplomat, Msgr. Battista Montini, who allegedly shared Hugh’s sɛҳuąƖ proclivities and the two men allegedly engaged in an affair.
    According to Bryans, Hugh Montgomery and his friend Battista Montini fraternized with some pretty eccentric characters during those days including Viscount Evan Tredegar, an aristocratic convert to Catholicism who served as a Privy Chamberlain to Pope Benedict XV.[115]
    The Viscount enjoyed titillating his friends with tales of his sɛҳuąƖ exploits and the occult including his first-hand experiences with the Black Mass using human blood, urine and semen.[116] After the death of Pope Benedict XV and the election of a new pope, Pius XI, Tredegar automatically lost his honorary position of Privy Chamberlain. He abandoned his dream of being a priest and returned to his ancestral home in Wales and married. According to a close friend, Tredegar kept a picture of the young Montini “cheek by jowl with that of an ‘able-bodied’ sailor” on his bedside table along with other photographs of royalty.[117]
    In an interview with British writer Stephen Dorril, co-author of Honeytrap -The Secret Worlds of Stephen Ward, Bryans repeated the story of Hugh Montgomery’s affair with Montini. Dorril said he found Bryans to be pretty much on the money when it came to his recollections of his early days as a member of the London’s elite ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ clique.
    Hugh Montgomery eventually converted to Catholicism, entered Beta College, and was ordained a Catholic priest. Little more is known about the controversial churchman.
    If it is true that Montini engaged in a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ affair as a junior diplomat at the Vatican, it is almost certain that at least some members of the Roman Curia would have heard the rumors. However, since the young Battista was well protected by his politically powerful family and by other influential prelates  including Eugenio Pacelli, the future Pius XII, there is little that could have been done to remove Montini from his diplomatic post."


    "Finally the Abbé recalls an incident that occurred on the eve of the 1963 conclave that elected Montini pope. He said, Reverend Father de Saint-Avit of St. Paul-Outside-The-Walls Basilica informed him the evening that the conclave opened that the morality section of the Milan police had a file on Montini. Therefore, the new pope could not and would not be Montini. But it was Montini![128]"

    More:
    https://akacatholic.com/paul-vi-and-the-churchs-paradigm-shift-on-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity/

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    Re: Paul VI's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity: Rumor or Reality?
    « Reply #24 on: June 25, 2022, 04:10:14 PM »
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  • There's good evidence that Montgomery was part of a Commie honeypot operation that would then use the sodomy to blackmail people.  I did not know this ... and it disgusts me ... that somehow Montgomery got himself ordained to the Catholic priesthood.

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    Re: Paul VI's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity: Rumor or Reality?
    « Reply #25 on: June 25, 2022, 04:34:46 PM »
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  • There's good evidence that Montgomery was part of a Commie honeypot operation that would then use the sodomy to blackmail people.  I did not know this ... and it disgusts me ... that somehow Montgomery got himself ordained to the Catholic priesthood.
    Indeed.  I think it happened more than we know.


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    Re: Paul VI's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity: Rumor or Reality?
    « Reply #26 on: June 25, 2022, 04:38:55 PM »
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  • Montini sure is creepy looking. There have always been rumors that he was gαy. I'm sure Rome knows and is keeping it a secret.


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    « Reply #27 on: June 25, 2022, 04:41:37 PM »
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  • Some people I know who have gone to the Vatican say Montini's art collection was hideous.

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    « Reply #28 on: June 25, 2022, 05:08:40 PM »
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  • Montini sure is creepy looking. There have always been rumors that he was gαy. I'm sure Rome knows and is keeping it a secret.

    https://archive.org/stream/ALetterToTheCardinalsOnPaulVI/A%20Letter%20to%20the%20Cardinals%20on%20Paul%20VI_djvu.txt

    Among a great deal of evidence, there's:

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    Card. Pietro Palazzini possessed two large folders full of docuмents that show, conclusively, the impure and unnatural vice of Paul VI.


    Full Text of that particular section:
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    PAUL VI ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ 

    Witnesses of the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity of Paul VI are:

    The ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ writer, Robin Bryans who wrote of the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ relationship between Msgr.
    Montini and Hugh Montgomery.

    ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and former Ambassador, Roger Peyrefitte, who spoke of his ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity by saying that
    Paul VI, Archbishop of Milan, was in a secluded house to meet guys ad hoc.

    The “New York Times” who also had the name of a famous Italian actor, Paolo Carlini, who had beco-
    me a frequent visitor of Paul VI to his private apartments in the Vatican.

    Abbe Georges de Nantes who exposed allegations of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity against Paul VI, citing a variety of
    sources.

    The writer, Franco Bellegrandi, who wrote on the following facts:

    - the blackmail of Montini by the Soviets to force him to reveal the names of the priests and bishops
    secretly sent by Pope Pius XII across the Iron Curtain;

    - the process of “ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ colonization” of the Vatican during the reign of Montini;

    - the nightly interventions by the police of the Archbishop of Milan, Msgr. Montini who was found
    several times on the streets of the city in civilian clothes and in dubious company;

    - the authorization given by Montini to his lover Paolo Carlini to come and go as he pleased from
    the apartment of the Pope, in the Vatican;

    - the blackmail of Montini by the Masons, threatening him to reveal certain facts about his homo-
    sɛҳuąƖity, unless they would obtain from him the approval of cremation, always denied by the
    Church.

    - Card. Pietro Palazzini possessed two large folders full of docuмents that show, conclusively, the

    impure and unnatural vice of Paul VI.

    The ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity of Paul VI was instrumental in the paradigm shift that saw the rise of the “ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ
    Collective” in the Catholic Church in the United States.

    In the midst of these [in this ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Collective], there were:

    Cardinal Joseph Bernardin, Cardinal Terence James Cooke, Cardinal John Wright, Archbishop
    Rembert Weakland George, Bishop James S. Rausch, Bishop George Henry Guifoyle, Bishop
    Francis Mugavero, Bishop Joseph Hubert Hart, Bishop Howard James Hubbard ...




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    Re: Paul VI's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity: Rumor or Reality?
    « Reply #29 on: June 25, 2022, 10:18:43 PM »
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  • Queer as a 3-dollar bill

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi