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Offline alaric

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« on: June 07, 2013, 05:20:40 PM »
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  • I get these emails all the time from certain members in my family about how all those evil Moslems are trying to infiltrate and usurp the country and how we all must do everything in our power to stop them because they are such a viable threat.

    And they're always all big Israel supporters but never once mention or want to talk about how much Jєωs and Israel has infiltrated and usurped not only this country but everyone on the planet that lets them.

    And as always, their emails always end with "Gawd bless meri-ca".

    I finally had to reply to one today that "Moslems" are the least of of our problems and the ones that are, are merely a symptom of a greater disease and that acutally most of Islam and their nations are against fag marriage, queers in their military and they almost all collectively ban abortion and infanticide from their countries. If anything, Moslems seem to fight against anti-Christian policies more than Christians themselves, many of which have basically embraced much of the debauchery and immorality which their bible and doctrines condemn.

    But these flagwavers and Israel-firsters will ignore all this and just label you a Moslem "sympathizer" and continue with their little delusional secular, national crusade going on in their little imaginations and never really address  the reality of what's really going on or the real enemy within. Or their just too dumb or cowardly to admit it.

    They'll just keep sending emails about those "eevil" Moslems trying to take over the planet. Whatever.

    The patriotard is truly a delusional individual.


    Offline Incredulous

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    « Reply #1 on: June 07, 2013, 05:23:32 PM »
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  • Good analysis.

    I know many "patriotards"

    Did you create this word?   Your should register it.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    « Reply #2 on: June 07, 2013, 05:25:10 PM »
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  • Quote from: alaric
    I get these emails all the time from certain members in my family about how all those evil Moslems are trying to infiltrate and usurp the country and how we all must do everything in our power to stop them because they are such a viable threat.

    And they're always all big Israel supporters but never once mention or want to talk about how much Jєωs and Israel has infiltrated and usurped not only this country but everyone on the planet that lets them.

    And as always, their emails always end with "Gawd bless meri-ca".

    I finally had to reply to one today that "Moslems" are the least of of our problems and the ones that are, are merely a symptom of a greater disease and that acutally most of Islam and their nations are against fag marriage, queers in their military and they almost all collectively ban abortion and infanticide from their countries. If anything, Moslems seem to fight against anti-Christian policies more than Christians themselves, many of which have basically embraced much of the debauchery and immorality which their bible and doctrines condemn.

    But these flagwavers and Israel-firsters will ignore all this and just label you a Moslem "sympathizer" and continue with their little delusional secular, national crusade going on in their little imaginations and never really address  the reality of what's really going on or the real enemy within. Or their just too dumb or cowardly to admit it.

    They'll just keep sending emails about those "eevil" Moslems trying to take over the planet. Whatever.

    The patriotard is truly a delusional individual.


    These same neo-conservative warhawks are the ones that perpetuate the myth that the Unted States was founded as a Christian nation, or that most of the Founding Fatherd were themselves Christians.  They cannot accept that Americanism, as both a religious and political ideology, is irreformably imcompatible with and hostile to the Catholic religion.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 07, 2013, 05:34:59 PM »
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  • Our Lady was known to have said, that those of Mohammed are the hardest ones to convert.  She and her Son will have to do that.  And we most certainly have much work to do prayers and penance.

    I agree that the Jєωs and others just add to the plate.  God will have His Day.

    As for God Bless America, that certainly is a strange way to end the letters.  Once the bomb is dropped in your lap, do the senders give you a solution?  Usually not.  

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    « Reply #4 on: June 07, 2013, 05:35:19 PM »
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  • You seem to be just describing average mainstream Republicans.
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    « Reply #5 on: June 07, 2013, 06:17:14 PM »
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  •  :smile:
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #6 on: June 07, 2013, 10:11:49 PM »
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    You seem to be just describing average mainstream Republicans.


    What stinks is when they get control of a group.  
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    « Reply #7 on: June 07, 2013, 10:37:44 PM »
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    These same neo-conservative warhawks are the ones that perpetuate the myth that the Unted States was founded as a Christian nation, or that most of the Founding Fatherd were themselves Christians.  They cannot accept that Americanism, as both a religious and political ideology, is irreformably imcompatible with and hostile to the Catholic religion.


    This isn't so if one understands that the founding of the United States is Providential irrespective of the questionable religious beliefs of the its founders. Orestes Brownson wrote quite prodigously about the compatability between the American commonwealth and Catholicism in the mid- to late- 19th century. Actually he wrote quite prodigously in general and was compared quite favorably with his contemporaries John Henry Newman and Juan Donoso Cortes- yet he's largely unknown by contemporary Catholics.

    http://orestesbrownson.com/





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    « Reply #8 on: June 07, 2013, 11:04:35 PM »
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  • I think you're being waaaaaay too simplistic here after accusing the other 'tards of the same thing.  

    If patriotism means keeping my family safe, then I'm a patriot.

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    « Reply #9 on: June 08, 2013, 12:40:33 AM »
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  • I agree, alaric.  This so-called war on a tactic is a joke.  

    And yet, it is undeniable how wickedly and hyperactively Obama has been funding and fostering extreme Islamic groups the world over.  

    If Islam was just a fall guy before, it'll become a real problem in the near future, thanks to the Administration's meddling.  

    Awe well.  95% of the people know next to nothing about anything, anyway.
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    « Reply #10 on: June 08, 2013, 01:42:00 AM »
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  • Islamic ideology is a threat to all of the west, it is not however the ONLY threat.  I cannot confirm this but I read that in Dearborn MI the schools observe the Muslim prayer times.  Perhaps someone here from MI can confirm this?

    Marsha


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    « Reply #11 on: June 08, 2013, 03:29:54 AM »
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    Islamic ideology is a threat to all of the west, it is not however the ONLY threat.  I cannot confirm this but I read that in Dearborn MI the schools observe the Muslim prayer times.  Perhaps someone here from MI can confirm this?

    Marsha


    Saracens worship a heathen abomination in Mecca called the kabba. These godless heathens worship devils- and a stone or a meteorite. Bah.  :facepalm:


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    « Reply #12 on: June 08, 2013, 03:59:57 AM »
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  • Islam is barbaric and inferior to Christianity however one only has to look at America's cultural life to see this nation is a sick one, a nation that calls abortion women's liberation, that allows ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs to "marry," and hands out condoms to junior-high girls.

    Sorry we are not the "greatest nation" as neo-cons love to preach all of the time. Our nation is very sick and ungodly.

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    « Reply #13 on: June 08, 2013, 08:26:44 AM »
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    These same neo-conservative warhawks are the ones that perpetuate the myth that the Unted States was founded as a Christian nation, or that most of the Founding Fatherd were themselves Christians.  They cannot accept that Americanism, as both a religious and political ideology, is irreformably imcompatible with and hostile to the Catholic religion.


    This isn't so if one understands that the founding of the United States is Providential irrespective of the questionable religious beliefs of the its founders. Orestes Brownson wrote quite prodigously about the compatability between the American commonwealth and Catholicism in the mid- to late- 19th century. Actually he wrote quite prodigously in general and was compared quite favorably with his contemporaries John Henry Newman and Juan Donoso Cortes- yet he's largely unknown by contemporary Catholics.

    http://orestesbrownson.com/


    I've read the work of Brownson and, if his writings are to be believed, despite his conversion to the Catholic faith he remained a committed Americanist for the remainder of his life.  His contention that the formation of the American nation was Providential is true only in the sense that God governs all things, as the Vatican Council decreed in its third session:

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    Everything that God has brought into being he protects and governs by his providence, which reaches from one end of the earth to the other and orders all things well. All things are open and laid bare to his eyes, even those which will be brought about by the free activity of creatures.

    The Council of the Vatican, Sess. III, c. I


    However, it is the constant teaching of the Church that those acts which are sinful are not of God's will, though not contrary to His will, in that it is the secondary result of His will in establishing in man his most noble attribute, free will, the exercise of which is perverted by sin and consequently is the cause of all earthly suffering.  Here, one may be tempted to argue that because God has endowed man with free will, then surely the state which enshrines personal liberty as its putative foundation must be in accord with Catholic principles, as Brownson himself contends:

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    What are called religious establishments are needed only where either the state is barbarous or the religion is sectarian. Where the state, in its intrinsic constitution, is in accordance with catholic principles, as in the United States, the church has all she needs or can receive. The state can add nothing more to her power or her security in her moral and spiritual warfare with sectarianism, and any attempt to give her more would only weaken her as against the sects, place her in a false light, partially justify their hostility to her, render effective their declamations against her, mix her up unnecessarily with political changes, interests, and passions, and distract the attention of her ministers from their proper work as churchmen, and impose on them the duties of politicians and statesmen.

    Orestes Brownson, American Republic, 1866


    Now, it is important to note that Brownson goes to great pains to try and segregate America's formal constitution from his conception of its unwritten, or intrinsic constitution.  Indeed, he seems to be deliberately vague in contrasting the extrinsic and intrinsic Constitution.  However, he fails to understand that whatever attributes this constitution imparts in the area of sovereignty between people and nation, it is the formal Constitution by which the exercise of that sovereignty, in the formation of government and the legislation of law, is discharged.  Secondarily, the public or civil morality is the sum of these laws.

    One may be tempted to argue that it is merely the abuse of the democratic organ which has allowed this group or that group to pass laws which are contrary to the morality engendered by natural and divine law, but one need only to read the Constitution of the United States to know that that is untrue.  An examination of the first Amendment to the Constitution is enough to see that such abuse is the manifestation of the America's civil law itself, rather than a perversion of it.  The quote from American Republic extols the freedom of religion, so permitted by the Establishment clause of the first amendment, and contends that such establishments are necessary only where states are barbaric or sectarian.  One must question whether he was being disingenuous or merely incredibly stupid in suggesting this.  As I stated previously, law is the expression of the civil morality of a nation.  Consequently, in the case of a republic like the United States, law is an expression of the prevailing morality of the body politic, in that it elects legislators whose views most conform to their own, and they in turn legislate the laws.  Since it is then possible, by simple means of the democratic process, that any sufficient non-Catholic majority may impose upon Catholic laws which are contrary to their morality, how can one class that as anything other than institutionalized sectarian violence?  More to the point though, the Establishment clause is the civil codification of the heresy of indifferentism condemned by HH Gregory XVI, in that it permits the exercise of any religion so long as civil morality, which is to say lawfulness according to civil statutes, is maintained.  The fundamental errors of this are two:

    1.) It denies the divinely-intended place of primacy afforded by natural and divine law to the Catholic religion, within the establishment of law.  In so doing, it espouses the equality of all religion.

    2.) It espouses naturalism, in that it separates morality from its only true source, which is the exercise of the Catholic religion, and suggests that man can better himself, and his relationship with State and fellow-citizens by means other than the unity of the Catholic faith.

    Lastly, as I've said many times regarding the tyranny of democracy, the very nature of civil morality under such a system is antithetical to the Christian religion in that it intrinsically declares the source of civil morality, which necessarily affects the individual morality of its citizens, to be contingent on time and the constituency of the body politic, and therefore subjective.  This is incompatible with the truth of the holy religion of "Jesus Christ, yesterday, and today; and the same for ever." (cf. Heb. XIII, 8)

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    « Reply #14 on: June 08, 2013, 08:55:34 AM »
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    These same neo-conservative warhawks are the ones that perpetuate the myth that the Unted States was founded as a Christian nation, or that most of the Founding Fatherd were themselves Christians.  They cannot accept that Americanism, as both a religious and political ideology, is irreformably imcompatible with and hostile to the Catholic religion.


    This isn't so if one understands that the founding of the United States is Providential irrespective of the questionable religious beliefs of the its founders.


    Providence is such that a government and "nation" (of a sort) could be permitted to exist as a punishment for the sins of the world without God being the positive author of its fundamental attributes.  The Mohammedans themselves, and their countries, were guided in the creation of their current countries by Divine Providence.  That doesn't mean that God is responsible for sharia law, which, like Americanism, is inimicable to the true religion of Our Lord and His holy Apostles.

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    Orestes Brownson wrote quite prodigously about the compatability between the American commonwealth and Catholicism in the mid- to late- 19th century.


    With all due respect to Mr Brownson, he was overly optimistic and frankly wrong, being himself born and raised and New England.  That residual romantic national pride about the United States and the history of the English colonies -- something only natural, despite most of the facts involved being spurious or exaggerated or twisted to fit a narrative -- seems to be the source of so much confused thinking and poor logic on the part of United-Statesian Catholics.  Catholics who identify with the US always seem removed from the metahistorical narrative that the Popes themselves and all the greatest defenders of the Church have always championed -- as seen, for instance, with the Pontifical Zouaves, the Carlists, the French Legitimists, and other ultramontanist groups fighting explicitly for the integral and uncompromised Kingship of Our Lord in the XVIIIth-XXth centuries.

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    Actually he wrote quite prodigously in general and was compared quite favorably with his contemporaries John Henry Newman and Juan Donoso Cortes- yet he's largely unknown by contemporary Catholics.


    Brownson was a good Catholic (despite his Americanist proclivities, which seem to be vague and qualified enough to earn him pardon), but, politically speaking, I would be wary of anybody who compared him favourably to the great Juan Donoso Cortes, who was consulted for the formulation of the Syllabus of Errors and contributed many ideas to it (even to the point, if I recall correctly, of being more or less responsible for the rough draft of the docuмent).  Actually, come to think of it, Traditional Guy might like Juan Donoso Cortes, especially his speech "On Dictatorship."