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Offline shin

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« on: December 07, 2013, 08:11:07 PM »
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  • I've noticed among Protestants there are some patriarchy movements -- that is I found some links to some through a wiki. A defunct magazine, and an rather horrific story from a Protestant turned feminist, devaluing all the good she had been taught by her family.

    I was encouraged that -- at least there had been a sort of magazine, somewhere, working on this. Some folks at least recognized how patriarchy needs to be promoted.

    But I am unfamiliar with any Catholic movement truly focused primarily on this subject, that is the restoration of the family and culture through the restoration of patriarchy. There is a true need for magazines -- for cultural support this way. Of course so much has been destroyed, but I am hopeful to find something more than simply 'back to the land' but truly oriented with the restoration of patriarchal society.

    What do folks know about this? Any associations I am missing? Perhaps folks who know other languages know of some elsewhere? Even if one cannot read it, it would be encouraging to know of.

    While it is according to the natural law, and so naturally comes about -- you can see how patriarchy most prominently comes about in cases such as the wandering tribes one reads about in Holy Scripture -- with herds of sheep and cattle, the work is men's work, the protection, the defense, the hunting, the herding -- and the women's work is maintaining the clothing and lighter furnishings of the home, all simply naturally, which also of course then keeps them in their father and family's protection.

    One of the greatest betrayals of these times is the embrace of the feminist movement and the complete neglect of restoration of family through patriarchy. This sin of omission, of lack of defense, of instead apologizing for, rather than upholding.

    In a technological society which compensates enough that men's work can become women's work, or is simply unnecessary due to mass production -- what in a fallen world, can be done to restore and keep patriarchy societally. . To make it something tended towards rather than away from, despite technology and the diabolical world powers..
    Sincerely,

    Shin

    'Flores apparuerunt in terra nostra. . . Fulcite me floribus.' (The flowers appear on the earth. . . stay me up with flowers. Sg 2:12,5)'-


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    « Reply #1 on: December 08, 2013, 02:23:41 PM »
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  •  I have noticed that for a Catholic man the daily petitioning of St. Joseph for assistance in providing for and loving his family in the manner St. Paul described, is the most efficient means of fulfilling the role of patriarch. 

    It helps for the wife to ask St. Joseph daily to give her husband the supernatural guidance and graces necessary to make the right decisions for the family. 

    Many women have already been tainted by feminism but when they turn to Our Lady in prayer and for their a model as wife and mother, they are often provided with opportunities to fulfill their duties to their husband and children in a manner pleasing to God. 

    These are the means for a return to patriarchy, even if it only exists in one household stuck in the midst of a pagan world.


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    « Reply #2 on: December 09, 2013, 10:59:52 AM »
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  • Quote from: shin
    One of the greatest betrayals of these times is the embrace of the feminist movement and the complete neglect of restoration of family through patriarchy. This sin of omission, of lack of defense, of instead apologizing for, rather than upholding.

    In a technological society which compensates enough that men's work can become women's work, or is simply unnecessary due to mass production -- what in a fallen world, can be done to restore and keep patriarchy societally. . To make it something tended towards rather than away from, despite technology and the diabolical world powers..


    I seldom post here but do keep my eyes open for such posts as this one.  I believe that you have hit upon a major deficiency in the modern world and even in contemporary Traditional Catholic society.  This problem is one that I too keep coming back to as one of the primary needs for the success in the family and society at large.  We have all been conditioned to believe that there is really no between man and woman.  In fact, over the last century (World War I and II . . . total mobilization of all able-bodied men . . . women moving into men's jobs) there has been a full-on move for "equality" between men and women and then a gradual move toward men being depicted as brutish and inept.  At the same time, the attack on religion has lifted the moral restraints from both men and women and allowed/encouraged them to actually become beasts with nothing to guide them but their desires.  In place of religion, we are offered psychology, politics, vague New Age concepts and plenty of distraction.

    I have to say that Catholics are severely lacking in ready resources in battling this anti-patriarchal onslaught.  Some of the Protestants are much more prepared in this battle in practical terms.  One can find many resources from them that deal rather well with this problem, but of course, they leave much to be desired in terms of the full truth of Catholicism.  

    One book that I would recommend is from the Integrity Magazine.  I believe it was a Catholic magazine of the 1950's that sought to answer some of the important questions concerning society from a Catholic prospective.  The title of the book is:  Fatherhood and Family: Reclaiming the Catholic Head of the Family for Our Lord Jesus Christ .  Here's a description:  "The role of Catholic fatherhood has been diminished in thee ways. First, it has become smaller. Fewer things are defined as a father's distinctive work. Secondly, fatherhood has been devalued. Today's public debate argues that fathers are simply not very important. Third, and most important, fatherhood has been decultured -- stripped of any authoritative social content or definition. The question is, "What do fathers do?" The tragedy of our society is that it can't answer the question and neither can most Catholics. This book is a stab at the Catholic answer."



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    « Reply #3 on: December 09, 2013, 08:26:27 PM »
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  • Thanks jake! Thanks Memento!

    Household by household, family by family..

    I agree that World War I and II were totally destructive to patriarchy and the family.

    I know that the number of men killed was huge.. an entire generation of women simply were not going to find men to marry, and then often enough -- they went out to work instead. It wasn't just the war factories, it was the tremendous numbers of men who died..

    And that makes me think for the first time of the men who were left, at times were those who didn't qualify to be a soldier for a variety of reasons.
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    Shin

    'Flores apparuerunt in terra nostra. . . Fulcite me floribus.' (The flowers appear on the earth. . . stay me up with flowers. Sg 2:12,5)'-

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    « Reply #4 on: December 10, 2013, 09:30:09 AM »
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  • The reason why you might not find a "Patriarchy" movement among Catholics is that Catholicism is inherently patriarchal. Hence, "Our Father".

    Here's St. Paul on the matter:

    Quote from: 1 Cor. 11:3
    But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.


    This is why Catholics don't need to promote Patriarchy as a separate movement. To promote Patriarchy Catholics need only promote Catholicism. This is not the case with Protestants because Protestants are so diverse in their doctrines and opinions that it's plausible for Protestants to be feminist and for Protestants to be patriarchal. That isn't the case among Catholics each of whom hold the same Faith.

    So if you want to promote Patriarchy, promote Catholicism.


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    « Reply #5 on: December 10, 2013, 09:33:47 AM »
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  • Here's an encyclical of Pope Leo XIII: http://www.ewtn.com/library/ENCYC/L13APOST.htm

    It's on the subject of Socialism primarily, but Socialists and Feminists were natural allies from the start and he says many things in this encyclical that are inimical to Feminism.

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    « Reply #6 on: December 10, 2013, 09:54:13 AM »
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  • Your instincts concerning Feminism are good. All it does is uproot authority and spread dissent and conflict in society and in the family. Feminism does not promote the cause of most women, it only promotes the cause of a particular class of women who are characterized by their resentment for men and the traditional family and their indecent behaviour in public.

    However, if you look into the matter you'll see that Feminism is only a symptom of an even greater evil present in society. Feminism, Socialism, Communism, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖism, et al., all have their roots in the plots and schemes of high-level Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and Jєωry, who are the masters behind the overthrowing of the monarchies of Europe and the establishment of liberal Democracies which enforce religious indifferentism and an immoral press and public education/indoctrination system. These people, the high-ranking Freemasons and Jєωs who control politics, finance and the media, are the lieutenants of Satan.

    This is why the main battle is not in the secular arena, but in the area of religion. It's not a matter of promoting this or that cause in a secular society which relegates the Catholic Church to a mere charitable institution, it's a matter of opposing the anti-christ spirit that gave birth to this hyper-secularized society in the first place. The solution to Feminism is not anti-Feminism or Masculinism or Patriarchy, it's the True Faith. It's the same for every other evil in society.

    Quote from: Psalm 14:1-7 and Romans 3:10-18
    As it is written: There is not any man just.

    There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

    All have turned out of the way; they are become unprofitable together: there is none that doth good, there is not so much as one.

    Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have dealt deceitfully. The venom of asps is under their lips.

    Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

    Their feet swift to shed blood:

    Destruction and misery in their ways:

    And the way of peace they have not known:

    There is no fear of God before their eyes.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 10, 2013, 11:47:20 AM »
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  • Ah, marriage at any time, but especially in this wonderful modern socialist society makes me think of the following. It's taken from Belloc's On Nothing & Kindred Subjects, under the heading Conversations On Trains, this is only a small part. "Not married yet Mr. Mowle? (contentedly & rather stolidly) No Mr. Binder, nor not inclined to neither.(Draws a great breath) I'm a single man, Mr. Binder & intend so to adhere. (A pause to think) That's what I call (A further pause to get the right phrase) "single blessedness." Yes,(Another deep breath) I find life worth living, Mr. Binder. Mr. Mowle was a wise man ha ha.


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    « Reply #8 on: December 10, 2013, 01:35:43 PM »
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  • Has the Church ever allowed polygamy after war or disease?

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    « Reply #9 on: December 14, 2013, 01:39:30 AM »
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    'Poverty and tribulations are given us by God as trials of our fidelity and virtue, as well as to enrich us with more real and lasting riches in heaven.'

    St. Philip Neri
    Sincerely,

    Shin

    'Flores apparuerunt in terra nostra. . . Fulcite me floribus.' (The flowers appear on the earth. . . stay me up with flowers. Sg 2:12,5)'-